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Posted: 7/30/2002 12:04:52 AM EST
Where and how would one go about getting one of these? Are they class III or AOW? I guess if it's either you gotta be 21 to buy em huh? (wishes he was 21!!!!!)..
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 12:56:58 AM EST
They fall under SBR (short barreled rifle), ask the legal forum for the best advice.

Mike
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 7:44:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/30/2002 7:46:42 AM EST by SBR7_11]
Can be done either way---
AOW: New virgin receiver, Form-1/$200 making tax, never have stock, must have forward grip. Transfer @ $5

SBR: Existing rifle lower, Form-1/$200 making tax, can have a stock. Transfer @ $200.

Or install to pistol lower as replacement, Pre-Ban and Post-Ban rules apply to use of upper to status of particular lower in event of pistol or SBR.
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 8:17:21 AM EST
OR...


You can permanently attach a 5.5" muzzle break/flash suppressor (in the case of a preban) to reach the legal length.
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 9:08:50 AM EST
no muzzle break.. want it 10.5 and no more..

so a AOW it would have to be a brand new FULL gun?

and a SBR I could get the 10.5 inch upper and throw it on my lower bushy?

gah these AOW,SBR, class III shit confuses the hell outta me
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 10:14:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By Vermilion:
no muzzle break.. want it 10.5 and no more..

so a AOW it would have to be a brand new FULL gun?

and a SBR I could get the 10.5 inch upper and throw it on my lower bushy?

gah these AOW,SBR, class III shit confuses the hell outta me



What do you want it for? I can't imagine how it would be useful.
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 10:31:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By tatjana:

Originally Posted By Vermilion:
no muzzle break.. want it 10.5 and no more..

so a AOW it would have to be a brand new FULL gun?

and a SBR I could get the 10.5 inch upper and throw it on my lower bushy?

gah these AOW,SBR, class III shit confuses the hell outta me



What do you want it for? I can't imagine how it would be useful.



I 'believe' this may be the first part of a carefully crafted bullet delivery system. The rifle(?) fires the bullet about 50 yards down range into a FedEx box, FedEx then picks up the box and delivers the bullet to the target.
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 10:35:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By tatjana:

What do you want it for? I can't imagine how it would be useful.



Because state or Federal law says we can have it legally. I have my stuff for the fun factor.
(I do not have a 10", too ammo finicky, 11.5" is way more dependable)
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 10:50:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/30/2002 10:51:43 AM EST by 5subslr5]

Originally Posted By SBR7_11:


I have my stuff for the fun factor.



Pretty well answers any questions I had.
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 11:57:02 AM EST
Well, everybody's got their own idea of fun, but I personally don't find the notion of the muzzle blast and noise from a ten inch barrel, with no suppressor, very fun filled. Since I've had a copy of the XM177E2 for over 20 years now, with permenently attached clone of the muzzle brake (without the silencing piece) I can attest to the reason why the military found it desirable to put the oversized suppressors on the piece in the first place.

Before I attached the flash suppressor, we fired a couple of test rounds with the bare barrel. To call it unpleasant would be a gross understatement.
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 12:09:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By Vermilion:
Where and how would one go about getting one of these? Are they class III or AOW? I guess if it's either you gotta be 21 to buy em huh? (wishes he was 21!!!!!)..



Vermillion,

Go here: www.titleii.com/
you'll find all the info and forms you need.

Keep in mind, if you build a "short barreled
rifle", it's yours for life.

The odds of selling it are next to
impossible
.

If resale at a later time is not an issue, then have fun with your new toy.

Gunner1X
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 12:35:00 PM EST
Why are SBR's so hard to get rid of? Couldn't you just sell the upper seperate?
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 1:19:50 PM EST
I buy all my firearms for fun.. and just because I can. So I do have to be 21 to do the SBR or AOW right?
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 2:44:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By Vermilion:
I buy all my firearms for fun.. and just because I can. So I do have to be 21 to do the SBR or AOW right?



21 YES!
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 2:51:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By ptaylor:
Why are SBR's so hard to get rid of? Couldn't you just sell the upper seperate?



When registered as a SBR.
This means the registration of the lower
receiver (serial #).

Yes you can sell the upper, but then all you
have is a lower receiver that's registered as
a SBR. Once it's registered a SBR...it's a SBR.
There's no turning back
You can stick a banana on it if you want, but
it's still a SBR.
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 3:16:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By Gunner1X:

Originally Posted By ptaylor:
Why are SBR's so hard to get rid of? Couldn't you just sell the upper seperate?



When registered as a SBR.
This means the registration of the lower
receiver (serial #).

Yes you can sell the upper, but then all you
have is a lower receiver that's registered as
a SBR. Once it's registered a SBR...it's a SBR.
There's no turning back
You can stick a banana on it if you want, but
it's still a SBR.




Actually I'm pretty sure you can, if you do not want the rifle as an SBR anymore you can request to have your SBR registration purged from the ATF registry....


Have a nice day.......
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 3:26:02 PM EST
Or...you could just move to Canada, be over 18 and you can have as sort a barrel as you want!!


(bring on the anti Canadian rants......
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 4:41:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By drfcolt:

Originally Posted By QuikSilver:

Originally Posted By Gunner1X:

Originally Posted By ptaylor:
Why are SBR's so hard to get rid of? Couldn't you just sell the upper seperate?



When registered as a SBR.
This means the registration of the lower
receiver (serial #).

Yes you can sell the upper, but then all you
have is a lower receiver that's registered as
a SBR. Once it's registered a SBR...it's a SBR.
There's no turning back
You can stick a banana on it if you want, but
it's still a SBR.




Actually I'm pretty sure you can, if you do not want the rifle as an SBR anymore you can request to have your SBR registration purged from the ATF registry....


Have a nice day.......



Yes, you can have an SBR removed from the registry and returned to "Type 1" firearm status.

Of course this means no short uppers in the house unless you have another SBR or an M16.



This is true. Man, what a hassel!
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