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Posted: 10/22/2013 12:06:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/22/2013 12:06:51 PM EST by jukeboxx13]
So I took my stock 10/22 Take down and tried shooting it with and without the barrel band to see if there would be a difference at 25 yards. I thought there would not be a difference, but there was even though it was very little. However my zero would change when there was no band on my 10/22 TD at 25 yards which was odd to me. So at the end of the day I'll just leave the barrel band on, and leave it at that. I shot at my local indoor range so there was no wind at play here, and I would love to try 50/100 yards, but no time to drive an hour to the outdoor range.

Shoots were taken off a front sandbag on a bench with my hand as a rear support
Ammunition used was Fiocchi 40 grain lead round nose solids, and I shot 5/5 shot groups
Scope used was the Bushnell Banner 1.5-4.5x32 and was on 4.5x for every group
Target used is from 1 MOA all day challenge in GD

10/22 TD weighing in at 6 pounds loaded with 10 rounds


Rapid fire groups


Slow fire


Link Posted: 10/22/2013 12:19:17 PM EST
Please tell me where I can get some of those targets to print. TIA, 44-40
Link Posted: 10/22/2013 12:32:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 44-40pro:
Please tell me where I can get some of those targets to print. TIA, 44-40
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Go to General discussion and type in 1 moa on the search, and then they should be in the OP.
Link Posted: 10/22/2013 1:16:56 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/2/2013 8:39:09 PM EST
Thanks for the link. I'll print some off when I get home. 44
Link Posted: 11/2/2013 8:56:08 PM EST
initially, i was under the impression that the barrel band had a big detrimental effect on accuracy. in fact, i ended up chopping off the piece of stock that the band attached to. for a stock 10/22 shooting bulk ammo, this was a mistake. Not only did I not see tighter groups, but the whole action actually separated from the stock after a few mags with only the take down screw holding it all together, lol. My point is, if absolute accuracy is what your after, dont go cheap and easy
Link Posted: 11/3/2013 12:56:41 AM EST
Mine (older 10/22) shoots just fine with the barrel band, so I left it alone.

I've heard the same stuff about it hurting the accuracy. Maybe on some rifles it does.
Link Posted: 11/3/2013 2:13:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Riddle:
initially, i was under the impression that the barrel band had a big detrimental effect on accuracy. in fact, i ended up chopping off the piece of stock that the band attached to. for a stock 10/22 shooting bulk ammo, this was a mistake. Not only did I not see tighter groups, but the whole action actually separated from the stock after a few mags with only the take down screw holding it all together, lol. My point is, if absolute accuracy is what your after, dont go cheap and easy
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Yea if I was trying to get 1MOA at 50/100 I would not have bought the take down. Just wanted to test mine out and like you said on a stock 10/22 its better with the band on.
Link Posted: 11/3/2013 4:02:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By M1A4ME:
Mine (older 10/22) shoots just fine with the barrel band, so I left it alone.

I've heard the same stuff about it hurting the accuracy. Maybe on some rifles it does.
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My 1970 10/22 is a half inch rifle @ 50 yards with a scope. 1" at 50 with tech sights. The barrel band must not bother to much. Mine's stock except for trigger work.
Link Posted: 11/3/2013 4:38:52 PM EST
Wonder if it would be different with a solid stock?
Link Posted: 11/3/2013 5:45:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By batmanacw:


My 1970 10/22 is a half inch rifle @ 50 yards with a scope. 1" at 50 with tech sights. The barrel band must not bother to much. Mine's stock except for trigger work.
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Originally Posted By batmanacw:
Originally Posted By M1A4ME:
Mine (older 10/22) shoots just fine with the barrel band, so I left it alone.

I've heard the same stuff about it hurting the accuracy. Maybe on some rifles it does.


My 1970 10/22 is a half inch rifle @ 50 yards with a scope. 1" at 50 with tech sights. The barrel band must not bother to much. Mine's stock except for trigger work.
I think I remember reading that when using the 10/22 with a sling attached to the band is where it can hurt accuracy cause of the pressure when using the sling for support.
Link Posted: 11/3/2013 5:45:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By stevemc:
Wonder if it would be different with a solid stock?
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I wonder too, and the main problem was losing zero when the band was off, but once I put it back on it kept it's zero.
Link Posted: 11/6/2013 8:11:59 AM EST
Without something helping to hold the 10/22 barrel on and pointing relativlely straight, it will point up, down, sideways, all over the place. I have even had the barrel fall right off the gun while I was shooting it. The 10/22 slip-in barrel mounting is definately the weak link on this gun.
Link Posted: 11/7/2013 4:34:52 AM EST
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Originally Posted By JeffinVAB:
Without something helping to hold the 10/22 barrel on and pointing relativlely straight, it will point up, down, sideways, all over the place. I have even had the barrel fall right off the gun while I was shooting it. The 10/22 slip-in barrel mounting is definately the weak link on this gun.
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Wow the barrel fell off?

Was it not held in place by the screw?
Link Posted: 11/7/2013 11:31:58 AM EST
The screw holds the action to the stock.
Link Posted: 11/7/2013 3:46:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JeffinVAB:
The screw holds the action to the stock.
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I' sorry I was thinking about the Take Down which has a screw for the action and one for the barrel.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 8:18:15 AM EST
Well. While checking zeroes on a new to me 1994 Walnut stocked sporter today, I decided to play both with and without the barrel band. The gun ended up shooting tighter groups at 25 yards withOUT the metal barrel band. I'm pretty sure it was shooting better without the band due to the way the factory channel on the stock has a bulge in the middle, pushing the barrel up, when the band is installed it begins to push the barrel back down. I'm just hypothesizing, but for that 10/22 WITHOUT works better.

Now I've already done similar tests with my 10/22 stainless international with a mannlicher stock and stainless muzzle cap. That rifle shoots better WITH the cap, which keeps the muzzle firm to the stock.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:50:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/8/2013 3:51:30 PM EST by jukeboxx13]
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Originally Posted By stolenheron:
Well. While checking zeroes on a new to me 1994 Walnut stocked sporter today, I decided to play both with and without the barrel band. The gun ended up shooting tighter groups at 25 yards withOUT the metal barrel band. I'm pretty sure it was shooting better without the band due to the way the factory channel on the stock has a bulge in the middle, pushing the barrel up, when the band is installed it begins to push the barrel back down. I'm just hypothesizing, but for that 10/22 WITHOUT works better.

Now I've already done similar tests with my 10/22 stainless international with a mannlicher stock and stainless muzzle cap. That rifle shoots better WITH the cap, which keeps the muzzle firm to the stock.
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Yea the results vary from rifle to rifle.

How much better did your 1994 shoot without the band?
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 5:30:57 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/13/2013 4:16:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AJE:
Good shooting. I still need to pick up a TD.
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They are great with great customer service.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 9:29:54 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/13/2013 9:43:12 AM EST by 1srelluc]
The deluxe stock does not use a barrel band and has the same barrel channel/receiver cut as the basic stock. I think the question if a barrel band makes a basic 10-22 shoot any better or worse with or without it is entirely dependent on each particular gun/ammo combination.

The way I see it is try it both ways and go with what is more accurate with the ammo you are going to use all the time. If you are going to feed it a mixed bag of ammo then I don't suspect there is any significant difference at all.

Originally Posted By JeffinVAB:
Without something helping to hold the 10/22 barrel on and pointing relativlely straight, it will point up, down, sideways, all over the place. I have even had the barrel fall right off the gun while I was shooting it. The 10/22 slip-in barrel mounting is definately the weak link on this gun.
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Blue lock-tite is your friend.

I bought a 80s vintage 10-22 this past summer and the barrel was loose. I got it cheap because of it. Took it home and the two screws were both backed out. I figured that would be the case. I simply degreased and blue lock-tited them and reinstalled them. Problem solved.

Any new /used 10-22 should be checked and given the same treatment.



Link Posted: 12/14/2013 6:42:15 AM EST
I have a bull barrel I free floated. Shoots better free floated. Make a small aluminum shim and put it under the stock screw, don't let the barrel touch the stock anywhere, eliminates changing barrel harmonics.
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