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Posted: 7/23/2002 11:03:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 11:07:45 AM EDT by McUZI]
Okay...
So who here is in the club of gun owners who embrace the "BEST" rather than the "old but trusted..."

All Ten Mil fans post here.

Me- 2 Glock 20's, 1 Glock 29.

Fav factory 10MM load- RBCD 77gr @ 2400 FPS- 1000 Foot Pounds of Energy... More than a .44 Magnum.
So, that means, in a Glock 20, I get 16 Shots of a round generating 1000 fpe... Hmmmm....

Fav common factory 10MM Load- 175 Gr Winchester Silvertips

Fav Handload (for hunting or field use)- 12.4gr Bullseye over 190 Speer FPJ out of the Glock 20... Kills everything dead as hell.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:07:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 11:08:38 AM EDT by ArmedAggie]
I, for one, love my S&W 1006. Unfortunately, the 10mm didn't "live" long enough for gun makers to do it justice. I never understood the cries about excessive recoil and hard to control. What I like most is the range. I can reach out a lot further with the 10mm than any other handgun I own. I'm in on the ten.


-Edited because I can't spelll.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:11:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 11:14:30 AM EDT by McUZI]

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:
I never understood the cries about excessive recoil and hard to control.



HERE HERE!
That's what prompted me to post this thread. There was a thread on another site where a dude bought a 10MM, and everyone in the store was like "Ohhhhhh dude, you won't be able to handle the kick..."

And he got it, and loves it.
I'm afraid a lot of potential forward thinking 10MM owners are being dissuaded from the 10 because of a few limp wristed queers who can't handle anything beyond a 9MM...
I wonder what sallies can't handle the recoil of the 10mm.
Oh.
Wait.
We have a name for them.
It's called "40 S&W Owners..."

LOL!
I say we rename the .40 S&W to the "10MM Femme"
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:19:16 AM EDT
Or the French 10. Sure, it has more recoil but so what? I think a big problem is that most people don't understand the basics of shooting a handgun. Hell, any gun for that matter. Most of them try ot fight the recoil instead of controlling it, using it, like the force in Star Wars. What I mean is if the muzzle is going to rise when you fire learn how much it rises, how it rises, etc. Then, learn how to get is back on target ASAP without trying to strongarm it. I don't know, they're just pussies.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:21:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:21:50 AM EDT
I have owned 2 Colt Deltas and one SS Gold Cup Delta. Also 2 610 SW's. Have only the newer 610 now with the unfluted cylinder. For some reason I shoot this better than about any other revolver. It is extremely accurate and my only gripe is that the full moon clips are kind of a pain.

Only one of the 3 Blued Deltas I have shot was not accurate. The Gold Cup was a honey but sold it out of stupidity because it was getting to be worth enough that I didn't want to wear it out. I know, I know, stupid reason.

Have never shot a Glock in the 10 or a Witness but have been looking at getting one cause I have alot of 10mm stuff. Super round in my book. Would choose it over a 45 any day but never claimed I was real smart either.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:25:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:
10 is not always easily available and I have the impression that a lot of the 10 you can get now is down loaded to 40 short and whimpy levels



True.
So sad too....
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Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:27:28 AM EDT
I also agree. The 10mm is a great round which hasn't been taken advantage. My (only) problem with it is the factory loads aren't worth squat. Like Hannah said last time I spoke with her about the 10mm, "you need to roll your own."

I am a 357 Sig fan and I see the 10mm as a round that came before it as an answer to the same issues. Though most people say the same things about the 357 Sig. "Snapy Recoil" "My Hand Hurts" ..etc.. etc..
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:30:23 AM EDT
Hang on to those Colt 10's, boys. I've seen a few around and they have definitely inceased in value.

Difficulty in finding ammo is why I stocked up when the "10 Femme" came out (that just rolls off the tongue). I snatched up all the nickel Winchester casings I could get my hands on. The good thing is that the popularity of .40 means good availability of bullets.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:43:17 AM EDT
The 10 will always be a part of my collection. I used to carry a SW 1006 until my bosses have made me switch to a Glock 22-I didn't go easily though! I wish I had a 1066, as it seems that would be the perfect duty size. I also wish that SW had a way to lengthen the barrel to a minimum of 5 1/2 inches so I could legally deer hunt with it in WI. I need to pick up a 6 inch barrel for my Glock 20 for that, but I'd rather have the Smith. Accuracy with the round has been incredible, and the cartridge performed very well so far on any car/deers that have needed putting down. I usually use the Win 175 gr Silvertips mostly, but I hear that ProLoad offerings are supposed to be the cats meow.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 1:03:19 PM EDT
The .45 ACP is the King of the Semi Auto pistol world. It will knock a man off his feet. It will stop a charging Elephant in it's tracks. The M1911A1 is the pinnacle of Semi. Auto. pistol engineering. Everything else pales in comparison and is a futile attempt to out class a classic. Your plastic guns will be long gone by the time the last M1911A1 wears out.

Link Posted: 7/23/2002 1:05:19 PM EDT
ammoman.com has some lots of Federal 10mm on his odd lots page. He bought the rest of their closeouts.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 1:10:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 1:14:03 PM EDT
I love my G20, but for the record - a 180g FMJ at 1420fps is just too much... but, boy did it wake everybody up at the range...

(please don't try this at home, it's embarrassing to ask other shooters to help you find your extractor)

Link Posted: 7/23/2002 1:16:04 PM EDT
Colt Delta Gold Cup
Glock Model 29
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 1:39:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 1:40:09 PM EDT by Sukebe]

Originally Posted By Sukebe:
The .45 ACP is the King of the Semi Auto pistol world. It will knock a man off his feet. It will stop a charging Elephant in it's tracks. The M1911A1 is the pinnacle of Semi. Auto. pistol engineering. Everything else pales in comparison and is a futile attempt to out class a classic. Your plastic guns will be long gone by the time the last M1911A1 wears out.




What, no takers? Perhaps my attempt to hook a fish was a little too obvious.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 1:41:33 PM EDT
If the 10mm is so great why do the .357 Magnum and .45 Auto consistently perform better in real world shootings? Well Carrots?
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 1:58:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 1:59:32 PM EDT by Wadman]
Two Colt Deltas and an Oly Arms 10mm pre-ban Upper. If you like 10mm from a 5" barrel, you'll love it from an 11.5" barrel. Full power loads work well with little felt recoil.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 2:24:36 PM EDT
Who's gotta Oly 10mm upper? How do you like it?

I've been pondering getting one...
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 2:48:43 PM EDT
Glock 20.

Waiting on 29 to see if Glock can solve the extraction problem that seems to be going around.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 3:16:34 PM EDT
So is this a "hey look at me, I've got bigger Gonads then you" thread?

You should respect peoples choices, not make fun of them.

I for one have never shot a 10mm, so I will not comment on it.

I'm sure it's a great cartridge, I'd be damn to ever buy a Glock in 10MM though!!
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 3:17:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Maynard:
Glock 20.

Waiting on 29 to see if Glock can solve the extraction problem that seems to be going around.



Maynard,

I have not heard of this before, not saying it does not exist. Over the last five years I have more than 12K+ through my 29 without a glitch in extraction. The only problem I found was with Norma ammo, it would not feed in either the Glock or the Gold Cup.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 3:42:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Flood_of_Sins:

Originally Posted By Maynard:
Glock 20.

Waiting on 29 to see if Glock can solve the extraction problem that seems to be going around.



Maynard,

I have not heard of this before, not saying it does not exist. Over the last five years I have more than 12K+ through my 29 without a glitch in extraction. The only problem I found was with Norma ammo, it would not feed in either the Glock or the Gold Cup.



Quite a few buyers of new 29s were posting on GlockTalk (forgive me) that their new 29s would not extract correctly. One poster had sent his 29 back to Smyrna 2 or 3 times and the pistol still did not extract correctly with various types of ammo. IIRC there were 3 or 4 people who were having FTE problems with their 29s.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 4:17:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 4:18:35 PM EDT by reidry]
[/Flame retardant suit on]

I've got a Delta in 10 that I'm in the process of converting to the venerable .40 S&W. For anyone who things 40 is short and whimpy my IPSC Limited STI might have something to say about that with 180 FMJs at 1150 - beats the crap out of an 9mm I've ever seen.

IPSC has since decreased the Power Factor requirements and I have followed suit, but .40 is still a decent cartridge.

As for you guys and your Glock 20's ... I've seen a couple of Kbs in .40 ... a Kb with a 10mm in a Glock could be absolutely spectacular (Mental Note to Self: ensure safe distance to glock 10mm shooters.)

[/Flame retardant suit off]


Ryan
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 4:28:19 PM EDT
I use a G20 for IPSC work, originally with factory (okay, Blazer) ammo. Now I load my own. While I wouldn't want to use Silver Tips or Cor-Bon's all the time, the Blazers were fine for rapid fire.

Any with 15 rounds per magazine, who can complain.

Now, if I can just find a 1911 that takes 10mm...
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 4:54:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ComputerGuy:
Who's gotta Oly 10mm upper? How do you like it?

I've been pondering getting one...




I love it. But it does spit the brass a long way. Oly engineered a cheesy looking but effective fixed ejector that launches brass about 50' away.

I think Federal Arms has post ban 16" uppers for $485, a damn sight cheaper than what I paid.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 4:58:59 PM EDT
Colt Delta Elite here.Too bad the 10mm got a rep as uncontrollable by the know it all, limp wristed "experts" at the gun rags.At 6'2" I'm no giant and I find the recoil very managable.I always thought the 10 was a great combination of accuracy and energy.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 5:11:21 PM EDT
Sonny likes it.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 5:14:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Arock:
Sonny likes it.



Can't be all bad then.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 6:28:15 PM EDT
Thompson Auto-Ordinance Pitt Bull with 5 inch barrel,10mm auto 1911A1


Bob
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 6:56:39 PM EDT
Glock 20 here, was my first handgun purchase several years ago. Might as well start with the best! Used 175 gr. Silvertip to take my last whitetail, worked great. Got several other handguns and calibers but the 10mm will always be my "just one pistol" choice.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:27:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Arock:
Sonny likes it.



Don Johnson is also anti-gun.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:39:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Arock:
Sonny likes it.



Didn't he switch to a 4506 once he saw the light?
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 9:02:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wadman:

Originally Posted By ComputerGuy:
Who's gotta Oly 10mm upper? How do you like it?

I've been pondering getting one...




I love it. But it does spit the brass a long way. Oly engineered a cheesy looking but effective fixed ejector that launches brass about 50' away.

I think Federal Arms has post ban 16" uppers for $485, a damn sight cheaper than what I paid.




Got any info on Federal Arms? I couldn't find a web site for them..

Good quality stuff? Where could I purchase?

Thanks
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 9:17:52 PM EDT
My personal favorite handgun caliber is most definitely the 10MM. You must reload to fully appreciate this calibers versatility.

Two Glock 20's
One SS Delta Gold Cup



Link Posted: 7/23/2002 9:22:52 PM EDT
(Sniff).... mine is broken.....

Link Posted: 7/23/2002 9:44:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 455SD:

Originally Posted By Arock:
Sonny likes it.



Didn't he switch to a 4506 once he saw the light?


As I understand it, Don Johnson & '80s Miami Vice used the Bren Ten in the early years of the show converted to shoot 45ACP blanks, and toward the end the switched over to the S&W 4506.

I've got a Bren 10 Special Forces model that is all black rather than the black slide/SS frame combo, Colt Delta Gold Cup, a drop in kit for the Grizzly Win Mag(a 1911 on steroids that shoots the 45Win Mag). A word of caution & warning, for those people who 1911 type 10s,I don't recommend shooting full-power factory ammo thru them. The range where I shot at, cracked the slid behind the ejection on their Colt 10mm 1911 after something like 2,000 rounds, and creacked the frame at 5,000. When I shoot my Colt & Bren(yeah I know I'm shooting a collectors item, you only live once), I down load the ammo to a weak 45ACP levels. For my Grizzly, I can shoot factory/full-power load all day since the gun was designed to fire the 45Win Mag and 44Rem Mag.

I had a chance to shoot a HK MP5/10. WAY TOO COOL!
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 9:55:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 1:27:59 AM EDT

I have a 10mm Olympic Arms carbine. Around 12 years old and a blast to shoot!!!

mark
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 3:45:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 6:44:47 AM EDT
I would take the delta rather than the 45`s (and have)..........
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 7:07:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/24/2002 7:19:49 AM EDT by Arock]

Originally Posted By Boomer:

Originally Posted By Arock:
Sonny likes it.



Don Johnson is also anti-gun.



I find that pretty funny. My recollection of Don Johnson goes back to "A Boy and His Dog" and before that to "Zachariah: An Electric Western" and he's always had a penchant for shooting people.



Hollywood.
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 4:21:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 10:25:17 PM EDT
Glock 20 with KKM and Federal Arms 40Sw and 357 SIG conversion barrels.

SW 610 revolver

Go 10mm!

Thinking about a 10mm upper to go deer hunting for under 1q00 yard shots.

411?
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 11:30:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Redmanfms:
If the 10mm is so great why do the .357 Magnum and .45 Auto consistently perform better in real world shootings? Well Carrots?



If Carrots are such good weapons for choping off the legs of Totsi warriors then why have nobody talked about thier effectiveness? Hint nobody is using carotts, they are using Machettes!

Turn about No body is using ten mils so there is no Statistics,but bet your ass if they were you would hear great things about them!

Its biggest problem is that few guns(not shooters)can stand up to it's huge Mag properties.

Every time I take my 2 and one half pound all steel upper,and lower thompson pitt bull out I wonder(is this cannon going to blow the total shit out of anything down range) or blow the slide rails or slide to hell and back).

Never happened yet,and it shoots flat and long and hard. Every time I go to a gun show and can find SEMPER FI AMMO,this guy is from Fletcher Oklahoma,and loads his ten at about 1075 fps.

All his ammo is loaded hot,not 40,so I wait and buy it and store it just encase the round does become obsolete.

The 10mil is just the same argument that went on in the thirtys,why would you want a .357 mag when we allready have a .357(when they indeed knew the .357 short(38S&W) was a little weak but the 38 special was the dope!

Well the 10mm is to the 40S&W what the .357mag was to the 38 special! While the 38S&W had the real ticket 148 grn real slow,damn sure knew you were hit(about like the 9X18 mak).

But nothing you would want to put your life on the line with.

So anyway back to the topic,if you have a gun that will take its abuse the 10mm is the round that will make the obsolite .45acp sit up and take notice.

The ,45acp is and allways will be(like the 30/30 win,.357 mag,22lng rfl)a perfect round for its specific needs.

But things and needs move on,If you could get a 30/30 with a spitser bullet instead of the flat nose you might have a .308,but tubular feed prohibits the pointed bullet,not so in a savage.

So all things being equal the .45acp is not nor ever will be the equal to the 10mm.

And the winchester model 94 will never be the equal to say a savage .308win.

Just live with it.

bob

Link Posted: 9/3/2002 12:06:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Redmanfms:
If the 10mm is so great why do the .357 Magnum and .45 Auto consistently perform better in real world shootings?



Not enough people shot with 10mm yet?
Link Posted: 9/3/2002 12:31:48 AM EDT

So all things being equal the .45acp is not nor ever will be the equal to the 10mm.


If you want a 45 that can break the sound barrier = 45 winmag. 250 grains at 1400+ zoom! ;) Not much use except for bears and other dense boned creatures.

I'm getting only 984 ft-lb from the 77gr - 2400fps load in my calculator. www.zvis.com/bali/bvtengy.shtml

Hot .44 mag loads go well beyond 1000 ft-lbs. more like 1100 to 1200ft-lb. www.cor-bon.com/44magnum.html
Link Posted: 9/3/2002 4:50:24 AM EDT
I would've gotten a 10mm somehow if everybody hadn't said they've been underloading them, so to speak.

I went with the .45 ACP in a USP.

Even then, when I mention it to people, they're eyes get all wide because a .45 "kicks so much" and is "huge".

And I'm thinking "You people don't know anything, do you."

But I don't say that. Let them think I'm all badass for being able to manage the recoil of a USP .45.
Link Posted: 9/3/2002 12:11:38 PM EDT
Colt Delta Elite, 10K rounds and still going last I knew, never changed a part. sn DE060XX

Just bought a NIB Colt Delta Elite Enhanced for $599.00, don't expect any problems from it either.

I love the 10!
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