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Did you hand charge each case and weigh each charge?
Was the barrel clear after this? What method did you use to clean the brass? |
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Defective case? That's all I can come up with from the info given. Your load is well within safe limits according to the data I have. I hope you get it figured out.
Is there any chance that the case OAL was too long? That would do it but most milsurp chambers are much deeper than they need to be. Added: Your COAL seems a little long but every bullet is different and I have never used those. Again, most milsurp throats are real deep too but you don't know until you measure your "contact length" |
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Plug that scale into a RCBS power trickler and weigh each charge for your $4000 rifle!
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Did you fire any rounds prior to the failure? What does the case head look like? Was the OAL 3.000 or 3.105"?
How heavy of a crimp are you using?
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Did you fire any rounds prior to the failure? What does the case head look like? Was the OAL 3.000 or 3.105"? How heavy of a crimp are you using? View Quote 4 rounds fired prior to the failure. Based on what I and others heard it sounded like two more rounds "bump fired" after the failed round, likely from me being startled and having the rifle loosely shouldered. The FCG is fully functioning still so I don't think there was a failure in that regard. |
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Did you hand charge each case and weigh each charge? Was the barrel clear after this? What method did you use to clean the brass? View Quote The barrel was clear as the two additional rounds fired and no issues appeared. I dry tumble, but use a universal decapping die to ensure the flash holes are clear. |
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Defective case? That's all I can come up with from the info given. Your load is well within safe limits according to the data I have. I hope you get it figured out. Is there any chance that the case OAL was too long? That would do it but most milsurp chambers are much deeper than they need to be. Added: Your COAL seems a little long but every bullet is different and I have never used those. Again, most milsurp throats are real deep too but you don't know until you measure your "contact length" View Quote I used the Hornady bullet seating tool to determine when the rounds would contact the rifling and I'm within limits. I don't think you can make a round that's too long and still fit in the mag. |
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Quoted: The barrel was clear as the two additional rounds fired and no issues appeared. I dry tumble, but use a universal decapping die to ensure the flash holes are clear. View Quote Box o' Truth demonstrated that media in the flashholes makes no diff. I believe the angle he's asking about is if you use any additives in the media.
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Box o' Truth demonstrated that media in the flashholes makes no diff. I believe the angle he's asking about is if you use any additives in the media. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The barrel was clear as the two additional rounds fired and no issues appeared. I dry tumble, but use a universal decapping die to ensure the flash holes are clear. Box o' Truth demonstrated that media in the flashholes makes no diff. I believe the angle he's asking about is if you use any additives in the media. No additives used; just plan ol' corn cob in a vibratory tumbler to remove dirt and again after sizing to remove lube. |
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Yeah, I didn't think that'd be it.
Photo of some crimped rounds?
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The only explanation I can come up with is maybe the firing pin was stuck and the round was fired when it was chambered I was thinking the same thing. This is not an uncommon occurrence but most seem to happen to mulsurps like the SKS due to cosmoline in the bolt. I had a tiny shard / sliver of brass get into the firing pin hole of my P89 Ruger one time that stopped it from firing. Even after manual cocking and trying 2 more times. Could be something like this caused the pin to be stuck sticking out. |
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Box o' Truth demonstrated that media in the flashholes makes no diff. I believe the angle he's asking about is if you use any additives in the media. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The barrel was clear as the two additional rounds fired and no issues appeared. I dry tumble, but use a universal decapping die to ensure the flash holes are clear. Box o' Truth demonstrated that media in the flashholes makes no diff. I believe the angle he's asking about is if you use any additives in the media. Thought maybe something, liquid and/or solid may have dried in a case laying on its side allowing a clear path to the primer but taking up enough case volume to cause high pressure. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Quoted: I'm thinking along the same lines. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: ...I just can't picture how a round going off in battery would end up so un-chamber shaped. I'm thinking along the same lines. I would agree except that was not the last round fired but the OP mentioned 2 rounds were unintentionally "bump fired” after that round. My guess is the brass was mangled somehow in the action when that happened? |
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CDNN sold most of the 308W version. They had a recall on them to have a spring put in the bolt to go over the firing pin so this exact thing does not happen. Does yours have the spring in the bolt for the pin?
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I would agree except that was not the last round fired butthe OP mentioned 2 rounds were unintentionally "bump fired” after thatround.[span style='mso-spacerun: yes;'] My guess is the brass was mangledsomehow in the action when that happened?[/span] [span style='font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt;'][/span] View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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...I just can't picture how a round going off in battery would end up so un-chamber shaped. I'm thinking along the same lines. I would agree except that was not the last round fired butthe OP mentioned 2 rounds were unintentionally "bump fired” after thatround.[span style='mso-spacerun: yes;'] My guess is the brass was mangledsomehow in the action when that happened?[/span] [span style='font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt;'][/span] Maybe they were not bump fired. Maybe after the first one the stuck firing pin was pushed back a little and then a little more until the rifle quit slam firing. |
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CDNN sold most of the 308W version. They had a recall on them to have a spring put in the bolt to go over the firing pin so this exact thing does not happen. Does yours have the spring in the bolt for the pin? View Quote Negative, no spring on the firing pin. The NDM-86s in .308 had issues with soft match primers and with that in mind I specifically used Winchester LR primers, but even they may not have been tough enough for the firing pin, even set well below flush. |
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Maybe they were not bump fired. Maybe after the first one the stuck firing pin was pushed back a little and then a little more until the rifle quit slam firing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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...I just can't picture how a round going off in battery would end up so un-chamber shaped. I'm thinking along the same lines. I would agree except that was not the last round fired butthe OP mentioned 2 rounds were unintentionally "bump fired” after thatround.[span style='mso-spacerun: yes;'] My guess is the brass was mangledsomehow in the action when that happened?[/span] [span style='font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt;'][/span] Maybe they were not bump fired. Maybe after the first one the stuck firing pin was pushed back a little and then a little more until the rifle quit slam firing. This is absolutely possible. The other shooters and I all "think" we heard a large concussion, then bang, bang which both sounded like the previously fired shots that were on target. This is what lead us to think it was either an OOB or over pressure round in the chamber and then two bump fired rounds. Additionally, the two pieces of brass recovered were likely the two rounds fired after the failure. This is my theory at least since all other rounds, when the rifle was fully shouldered and supported ejected further forward and into vegetation, making them impossible to find. I'm thinking with the rifle no longer shouldered as tightly it robbed some recoil out of the bolt carrier and these rounds ejected more softly. Just a theory though and no way to definitively say which rounds the recovered brass is from. |
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Exactly the reason that the spring was installed in the 308 versions. So you can't have a slam fire.
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Odd things can happen when a firing pin gets stuck.
I had an overly sharp firing pin in a PSL that punctured a primer. The escaping gas then deformed the firing pin slightly so that it jammed in the firing pin hole in the bolt face and acted as a fixed firing pin for the next round. There was no other damage and that second round hammered it back in the hole in the bolt face far enough not to launch the next round. ----- I agree with the others that the damage to that case did not occur in the chamber. It's also obvious that while there was some significant unconfined gas, there was no where near the full SAAMI pressure of the round present when the failure occurred. My suspicion is the round blew up on it's way into the chamber while the thinner portion of the case ahead of the web was still able to expand and vent the pressure before the pressure in the case really started to rise to truly dangerous and destructive levels. That would account for: a) the mechanical mangling of the case; b) the evidence of some substantial gas loss; and c) the absence of the serious gas cutting, brass loss and damage to the forged bits of the weapon that you'd see in a full pressure failure of the case head. |
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Well, when it gets put back together and deemed safe by the gunsmith I'll go for the spring loaded firing pin fix just to be safe. I've had blown primers before, but have cleaned the bolt stem since. I guess the firing pin could have been damaged though and stuck in the forward position, acting like a fixed firing pin system.
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It seems that AK type rifles do not like nor handle bullet setback at all. I blew up an Arsenal SLR-106FR due to setback. I know for a fact that the case mouths were not crimped because they were leftovers from a run I loaded for a bolt gun. But the path of destruction suggests it fired out of battery.
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The damage to the mag seems it obviously blew bits and pieces downwards into it, but we didn't see the same in my situation. Only the damaged case on the ground and no brass in the action or mag.
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I use the NATO spec CCI primer I think its #34, for my MAS 49-56. It has a reputation for slam firing. There is a firing pin mod for it too that uses a spring. My rifle does not have the mod but so far I have not had any problems using the #34s.
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I use the NATO spec CCI primer I think its #34, for my MAS 49-56. It has a reputation for slam firing. There is a firing pin mod for it too that uses a spring. My rifle does not have the mod but so far I have not had any problems using the #34s. View Quote I think I'm going to do a spring mod to the firing pin as well. The NDM-86s in .308 needed it for anything other than surplus so this might be in the same category. |
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