How much does each one cost?

You buy then at those US border gun stores and at gun shows.

But seriously, don't know how much they cost but I believe each one would be an NFA weapon requiring a $200 stamp.

Yup.

Or, OP, are you speaking to 40mm chalk rounds?

Mike

Im looking at getting into DD and an M203 would work for me. Know that being said, where do you find the munitions for these and I mean Explosive!:) I wouldnt waste all the money to purchase a M203 + Tax stamp to only shoot "Smoke grenades" or Flares.

You will have to have:
1. Sufficient land and storage facilities, inspected and certified for storing explosives.
2. Certification for handling and transporting explosives.
3. $200 Tax stamp for each individual round.

Then you're not going to want a 40mm launcher. Unless you've got a HE license, a HE magazine, and pay $200.00 per shell (and $200.00 to reload each shell or you become a HE manufacturer), you're not doing HE.

Mike

Guess dd is out then! Too rich for my blood.

There is a contractor right down the road in Spartanburg that manufactures the rounds, they have a couple Mk19's out back for testing. I almost thought about taking a pay cut to go be an engineer there....

i'd be looking into it. also my brother is looking for a job, he has mechanical engineering degree or something in that field last i remember. could you PM me any info if possible?

also if you have the AFT approved explosives license along with the proper storage you wouldn't need to pay a $200 tax on each HE round seeing as you are a licensed person, similar to an FFL with an SOT or C3 who doesn't pay the $200 on each thing in the store.

Here's a question in that kind of situation (I live down the road in the Charleston area and I'm thinking about getting a '203, but no plans to get HEDP rounds ) - if the manufacterer were willing (and I have no idea if they would be) and already have all the relevant licenses and a range - would there be anything to restrict my going to them and paying them for some rounds and shooting them on their range, all under their supervision?

Hypothetically speaking, if the manufacturer would agree to such a scenario, wouldn't it be like renting a suppressor or MG at a public range? You pay for the rental, but since it's never really "transferred" to you, you don't need to pay the transfer tax to use it, and you leave it there.

With HEDP, would it not be the same thing? I could pay the manufacturer whatever the cost of the round is, plus whatever additional they wanted to charge me for use of their test range and for their profit - but I wouldn't need to have any kind of special license or have to pay the transfer, no? Just bring my '203, pay for the ammo, shoot it there, and go home?

I don't know enough about DD laws to know if this would be legal, or if there were some restrictions (besides whether or not the manufacturer would want to do it). I don't even know that I would pay the amount to have to drive out to some manufactuerer's test range just to blow hundreds of dollars on one big boom, but would it be legal?

~Augee

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I dont think these are HE though?

that guy is NUTS!!!!! $3,000?!?!?

So are chalk rounds/parachute flares/star clusters GTG without a tax stamp on each one?

There was a buckshot round for the M79/203. Why doesn't someone make a smoothbore 40mm bbl, 18" long, & sell 40mm shotshells? Not legal on ducks or geese, but w/ screw in choke tubes would be death on turkey, especially w/ an AR up top.

Gig 'em,

backbencher

Yes, they are signal/marker rounds only.

They do have some HE in them, but not much.. Wonder if it's over the 1/4oz DD limit?

And it would also be a DD, just like a smooth bore 37mm with less lethal rounds.

Ok, a smoothbore 40mm w/ an 18" bbl would be a DD, instead of a shotgun - why? A 2 ga shotgun is a shotgun - a big shoulder-breaker of a shotgun, but legal on deer, turkey, & quail - why not a 40mm shotgun?

Gig 'em,

backbencher

Can't hunt deer and turkey's in TX with a DD.

Wait, so let me get this straight:

You have problems with the idea of using a suppressor to hunt deer -

...but you're pissed off because you can't use an M203 to hunt deer?

What'd I miss?

~Augee

Not pissed off - just wondering why a smoothbore 18" 40mm tube attached to a weapon w/ an OAL 26" is a DD, & not a shotgun.

The buckshot round for the 40mm was not all that great, the velocity was low as compared to standard 12ga. They did not make full use of the case capacity, it was just a couple of sub-caliber shotshell sized tubes in there. And the 40mm is a low-pressure system, normally just fired by a small charge similar in size/power as a pistol caliber blank into an empty expansion space in the 40mm casing.

And actually, if you tried to make a 40mm shotgun, (which would be between a B 1/2 and a 1gauge), it would still be a DD and not TItle I. 12 and 10ga shotguns have blanket "sporting use" exceptions from the Dept. of the Treasury, and various "safari calibers" over .50 do too, but if you make something new, you still need to apply for that exception. And the system's similarity to DD 40mm launcers may well deep-six it.

If you're really interested in exploring shotguns way over 10ga in size, you might want to look into getting a 26.5mm CZ RV85 before the supply dries up completely. It's just .22mm shy of being a true 4ga. It's not a sure thing that they can be loaded to usable shotgun pressures/velocities yet, but they're THICK, built like the proverbial brick shithouse, from modern 1980's forged steel. Whereas 4bore safari guns from England were spiral wound Damascus. (And they had rifling to engrave into, and old late 1800's brass to support the chamber etc.) Comparing apples and oranges here, I know, but it's a starting point.

There are reusable stainless steel shells for 26.5mm launchers, and even plastic cup wads too. Once my DD stamp comes back on it, I'd like to see if I can get 3-4oz of shot, maybe even a solid slug moving at over 1000fps from one without it being dangerous, but it'll be slow going to prove that it's safe to both the gun and me.

40mm shotgun is not considered "sporting".

Read up on punt guns.

And here comes the knock on the door with the guys wearing the ATF wind breakers!1

Because it qualifies as having a suitable sporting purpose.