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Link Posted: 11/3/2013 9:33:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sweatpants:


 

I'm not going to get into an debate about this - I agree with your statement about training and vetting equipment.  
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Based on my personal experience, training, and shared knowledge by those much more experienced and invested in combatives - what is posted above is very bad advice.  Repeating the mantra of "training" will not magically disappear a liability in the path to your pistol.  Regarding entangled fighting - you need one hand to address retention and the other to address distance.  In the context of shooting people, your hands are a bad weapon, your knife is a slightly better weapon ... you need to create distance to engage your superior weapon.  In the context of entangled fighting - the knife is superior at killing people.  If you're using both hands for retention you're decreasing your ability to fight successfully.







If a knife isn't an offensive weapon, and it isn't a defensive weapon - what is it doing on your first line belt?  Knives on first line gear for SHTF?  You're going to wear assaulter's gear for SHTF?  







P.S.  TDIs and Safe Makers are probably one of the most retarded knives I've seen for killing people with.
 



Certainly valid points. I also subscribe to the mantra that there is more than way to do something. My way isn't necessarily the best for everyone.





Probably not the best thread to discuss tactics either.



ETA: I'm not a knife fighter. I have limited training in such. My knife would my very last choice to fight with. If I'm running a war belt, like in this thread, then I'm fighting with my rifle first, then my pistol, then maybe a knife. If I'm at that point, then all bets are off. I'm going to arrange my belt to suit it's primary purpose.



I think getting into pistol retention methods (using any method) and hand to hand combat would be slightly out of scope here.
 
Link Posted: 11/3/2013 9:38:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dinnertime:
Sort of like your knowledge of knife fighting?
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I don't know what you're getting at but I have ZERO knife fighting skill, training, or experience and I never claimed so either.

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Link Posted: 11/3/2013 9:41:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:



He probably had a serious training (lack there of) issue
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Originally Posted By Dinnertime:
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:

I seem to remember a officer murdering a suspect in the subway because he pulled his pistol thinking it was his taser, I bet he thought he would never screw that up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant


He probably had a serious training (lack there of) issue


Lol. This is the difference between the Internet and reality.  There are a dozen reasons why this happens, like policy-driven gear placement. "Lack of training" is damn near an arfcom meme at this point.
Link Posted: 11/3/2013 9:45:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:

I don't know what you're getting at but I have ZERO knife fighting skill, training, or experience and I never claimed so either.

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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By Dinnertime:
Sort of like your knowledge of knife fighting?

I don't know what you're getting at but I have ZERO knife fighting skill, training, or experience and I never claimed so either.

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PantacUSA Adaptive combat belt and First Spear double pistol pouch
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Do you ever hit that pouch when you draw and present your handgun? Or do you wave it outward then bring it up?
Link Posted: 11/3/2013 9:46:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bcw107:


Lol. This is the difference between the Internet and reality.  There are a dozen reasons why this happens, like policy-driven gear placement. "Lack of training" is damn near an arfcom meme at this point.
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:

Originally Posted By Dinnertime:
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:

I seem to remember a officer murdering a suspect in the subway because he pulled his pistol thinking it was his taser, I bet he thought he would never screw that up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant


He probably had a serious training (lack there of) issue


Lol. This is the difference between the Internet and reality.  There are a dozen reasons why this happens, like policy-driven gear placement. "Lack of training" is damn near an arfcom meme at this point.

Policy Driven gear placement is fucking horsehsit, save IFAKs for Combat arms.
Let the individual do what works. And give the unit enough funding for for training so they can figure it the fuck out. PDs don't need more cargo pants and APCs and the Air Force doesn't need another F22.
Troops need to train
Link Posted: 11/3/2013 9:47:35 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DRhodes:


Do you ever hit that pouch when you draw and present your handgun? Or do you wave it outward then bring it up?
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Originally Posted By DRhodes:
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By Dinnertime:
Sort of like your knowledge of knife fighting?

I don't know what you're getting at but I have ZERO knife fighting skill, training, or experience and I never claimed so either.

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PantacUSA Adaptive combat belt and First Spear double pistol pouch
<a href="http://s290.photobucket.com/user/ppcseniortrip/media/IMG_3998-edited.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll241/ppcseniortrip/IMG_3998-edited.jpg</a>


Do you ever hit that pouch when you draw and present your handgun? Or do you wave it outward then bring it up?

This belt was sent to me for T&E.
It is a medium and I am a large. It is an issue as shown but if I had the proper size, I bet it would work just fine.

ETA: without a drop on the holster, it wouldn't be an issue
Link Posted: 11/3/2013 9:50:05 PM EST
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We are discussing gear that is used in the business of killing people, that is the basis for the advice that I gave.  Take it or leave it, I don't give a shit.  Don't get defensive, I wasn't attacking you. I apologize if it came off that way.
I never kept a knife on my belt.  Didn't feel I needed it and I was in close proximity to booger eaters on a daily basis.  The guy who asked the question wanted to know reasons to not carry a blade strong side, that's what I gave him.  
If you want to carry a useful tool for SHTF, ditch the fixed blade and pick up a claw hammer Not a bad tool to have in the assault pack or the truck. Not feasible for the warbelt. It's all compromises..  A claw hammer smashes windows and pries open doors a hell of a lot better than a knife, and attracts a whole lot less attention than a fighting knife. Out of curiousity, would you call all 4" fixed blades "fighting knives"?




 








 



I would call any fixed blade knife a fighting knife.  













My advise to you is to make your own METL (Mission Essential Task List).  Think about the practical things that you may need to do in your line of work (or "SHTF" if gun time is play time) and plan your kit around that.  Fixed blade knives in kydex sheaths look cool, but how often do you see it being used and in the situations that you do see it being used, is there something either more utilitarian or something lighter/smaller that could do the same job?



















I kept my pistol, 2x pistol mags, 1x rifle mag, 1x smoke grenade, a flashlight, and a small IFAK on my brokos belt.  It became more of a "react to midnight IDF" and "react to breach attempt" rig than anything else.  It was enough to be able to roll out of bed and make my way to a bunker or the ready room without feeling "naked".  







































 
Link Posted: 11/3/2013 10:33:17 PM EST
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  I would call any fixed blade knife a fighting knife.  

My advise to you is to make your own METL (Mission Essential Task List).  Think about the practical things that you may need to do in your line of work (or "SHTF" if gun time is play time) and plan your kit around that.  Fixed blade knives in kydex sheaths look cool, but how often do you see it being used and in the situations that you do see it being used, is there something either more utilitarian or something lighter/smaller that could do the same job?



I kept my pistol, 2x pistol mags, 1x rifle mag, 1x smoke grenade, a flashlight, and a small IFAK on my brokos belt.  It became more of a "react to midnight IDF" and "react to breach attempt" rig than anything else.  It was enough to be able to roll out of bed and make my way to a bunker or the ready room without feeling "naked".  


 
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I agree

Link Posted: 11/3/2013 10:34:41 PM EST
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I agree
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Originally Posted By Dinnertime:

  I would call any fixed blade knife a fighting knife.  

My advise to you is to make your own METL (Mission Essential Task List).  Think about the practical things that you may need to do in your line of work (or "SHTF" if gun time is play time) and plan your kit around that.  Fixed blade knives in kydex sheaths look cool, but how often do you see it being used and in the situations that you do see it being used, is there something either more utilitarian or something lighter/smaller that could do the same job?



I kept my pistol, 2x pistol mags, 1x rifle mag, 1x smoke grenade, a flashlight, and a small IFAK on my brokos belt.  It became more of a "react to midnight IDF" and "react to breach attempt" rig than anything else.  It was enough to be able to roll out of bed and make my way to a bunker or the ready room without feeling "naked".  


 



I agree
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Amazing you sir are a true CQB Ninja
Link Posted: 11/3/2013 11:30:33 PM EST
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Amazing you sir are a true CQB Ninja
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Originally Posted By Jaster:
Originally Posted By Dinnertime:

  I would call any fixed blade knife a fighting knife.  

My advise to you is to make your own METL (Mission Essential Task List).  Think about the practical things that you may need to do in your line of work (or "SHTF" if gun time is play time) and plan your kit around that.  Fixed blade knives in kydex sheaths look cool, but how often do you see it being used and in the situations that you do see it being used, is there something either more utilitarian or something lighter/smaller that could do the same job?



I kept my pistol, 2x pistol mags, 1x rifle mag, 1x smoke grenade, a flashlight, and a small IFAK on my brokos belt.  It became more of a "react to midnight IDF" and "react to breach attempt" rig than anything else.  It was enough to be able to roll out of bed and make my way to a bunker or the ready room without feeling "naked".  


 



I agree
<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DinnerTime/media/FIGHTINGKNIFE.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/DinnerTime/FIGHTINGKNIFE.jpg</a>

Amazing you sir are a true CQB Ninja


just remember - don't run with scissors

Link Posted: 11/4/2013 4:26:33 AM EST
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just remember - don't run with scissors

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Originally Posted By Jaster:
Originally Posted By Dinnertime:

  I would call any fixed blade knife a fighting knife.  

My advise to you is to make your own METL (Mission Essential Task List).  Think about the practical things that you may need to do in your line of work (or "SHTF" if gun time is play time) and plan your kit around that.  Fixed blade knives in kydex sheaths look cool, but how often do you see it being used and in the situations that you do see it being used, is there something either more utilitarian or something lighter/smaller that could do the same job?



I kept my pistol, 2x pistol mags, 1x rifle mag, 1x smoke grenade, a flashlight, and a small IFAK on my brokos belt.  It became more of a "react to midnight IDF" and "react to breach attempt" rig than anything else.  It was enough to be able to roll out of bed and make my way to a bunker or the ready room without feeling "naked".  


 



I agree
<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DinnerTime/media/FIGHTINGKNIFE.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/DinnerTime/FIGHTINGKNIFE.jpg</a>

Amazing you sir are a true CQB Ninja


just remember - don't run with scissors



and don't sit down lol
Link Posted: 11/4/2013 6:05:55 AM EST
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I agree
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Originally Posted By Dinnertime:

  I would call any fixed blade knife a fighting knife.  

My advise to you is to make your own METL (Mission Essential Task List).  Think about the practical things that you may need to do in your line of work (or "SHTF" if gun time is play time) and plan your kit around that.  Fixed blade knives in kydex sheaths look cool, but how often do you see it being used and in the situations that you do see it being used, is there something either more utilitarian or something lighter/smaller that could do the same job?



I kept my pistol, 2x pistol mags, 1x rifle mag, 1x smoke grenade, a flashlight, and a small IFAK on my brokos belt.  It became more of a "react to midnight IDF" and "react to breach attempt" rig than anything else.  It was enough to be able to roll out of bed and make my way to a bunker or the ready room without feeling "naked".  


 




I agree
<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DinnerTime/media/FIGHTINGKNIFE.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/DinnerTime/FIGHTINGKNIFE.jpg</a>




Ummm Excuse me Sir for critiquing your knife placement... But shouldn't the sharp edges be placed pointing away from Mr. Wiggly?
Link Posted: 11/4/2013 6:17:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:

Good post, and 100% on the money.

Go ask the guys who've seen action, and they'll tell you that they used their knives to open MREs and extract stuck cases, and that's about it.

There is no excuse for grabbing the wrong item from your belt. My duty rig has a baton beside my pistol, and I will never screw that up. It's a simple training issue.

If you are grabbing the wrong stuff, you need to train more.

Also, regarding the knife as a retention measure, IMO, that is a bad move. If you are fighting for your pistol, you need BOTH hands on it. The second you take a hand off to try to grab and deploy your knife, you'll lose your pistol. Also, slashing/stabbing is not a fight stopper unless you hit something vital, and we know how that goes.

If you are concerned about retention, get training in doing so.


 
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:

Your entire argument is based on the assumption that the knife is a defensive weapon - a totally retarded assumption, 98% of the time. A RAT RC4 is not a fighting knife. If your knife is a Kabar TDI or a COld steel safe maker, then yes, and the argument can be made for weak side carry.

My RC4 is mounted behind my pistol at a 4 o'clock position. The pistol is on a RTI drop leg so it's a solid 9" from the knife - no chance of accidentally grabbing the wrong item.
The knife, for me, is a tool and my kit is for SHTF, not the hills of a'stan. In SHTF, a medium sized fixed blade is a vital tool

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll241/ppcseniortrip/IMG_3573.jpg

Good post, and 100% on the money.

Go ask the guys who've seen action, and they'll tell you that they used their knives to open MREs and extract stuck cases, and that's about it.

There is no excuse for grabbing the wrong item from your belt. My duty rig has a baton beside my pistol, and I will never screw that up. It's a simple training issue.

If you are grabbing the wrong stuff, you need to train more.

Also, regarding the knife as a retention measure, IMO, that is a bad move. If you are fighting for your pistol, you need BOTH hands on it. The second you take a hand off to try to grab and deploy your knife, you'll lose your pistol. Also, slashing/stabbing is not a fight stopper unless you hit something vital, and we know how that goes.

If you are concerned about retention, get training in doing so.


 



Well stated.
Link Posted: 11/4/2013 6:19:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dinnertime:



I seem to remember a officer murdering a suspect in the subway because he pulled his pistol thinking it was his taser, I bet he thought he would never screw that up.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:

Your entire argument is based on the assumption that the knife is a defensive weapon - a totally retarded assumption, 98% of the time. A RAT RC4 is not a fighting knife. If your knife is a Kabar TDI or a COld steel safe maker, then yes, and the argument can be made for weak side carry.

My RC4 is mounted behind my pistol at a 4 o'clock position. The pistol is on a RTI drop leg so it's a solid 9" from the knife - no chance of accidentally grabbing the wrong item.
The knife, for me, is a tool and my kit is for SHTF, not the hills of a'stan. In SHTF, a medium sized fixed blade is a vital tool

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll241/ppcseniortrip/IMG_3573.jpg

Good post, and 100% on the money.

Go ask the guys who've seen action, and they'll tell you that they used their knives to open MREs and extract stuck cases, and that's about it.

There is no excuse for grabbing the wrong item from your belt. My duty rig has a baton beside my pistol, and I will never screw that up. It's a simple training issue.

If you are grabbing the wrong stuff, you need to train more.

Also, regarding the knife as a retention measure, IMO, that is a bad move. If you are fighting for your pistol, you need BOTH hands on it. The second you take a hand off to try to grab and deploy your knife, you'll lose your pistol. Also, slashing/stabbing is not a fight stopper unless you hit something vital, and we know how that goes.

If you are concerned about retention, get training in doing so.


 



I seem to remember a officer murdering a suspect in the subway because he pulled his pistol thinking it was his taser, I bet he thought he would never screw that up.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant


Falls back to training or maybe the statement he made wasn't totally accurate to begin with.
Link Posted: 11/4/2013 6:34:35 PM EST
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I carry a Strider ED fixed blade behind my pistol. It is used on almost every training day.... for opening cases of ammo, cutting up food, popping blisters, cutting 550 cord, and general utility knife stuff. I've used it operationally for popping light bulbs, cutting seat belts, marking doors ....

To me a knife can be used as a lethal weapon, but so can a flashlight or 550 cord. It's not the primary use and it shouldn't be treated as such. A knife is a valuable tool, but I don't think having a giant rambo knife is a good idea. It's heavy, bulky, and not handy to use in a utilitarian fashion.
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I carry a Strider ED fixed blade behind my pistol. It is used on almost every training day.... for opening cases of ammo, cutting up food, popping blisters, cutting 550 cord, and general utility knife stuff. I've used it operationally for popping light bulbs, cutting seat belts, marking doors ....



To me a knife can be used as a lethal weapon, but so can a flashlight or 550 cord. It's not the primary use and it shouldn't be treated as such. A knife is a valuable tool, but I don't think having a giant rambo knife is a good idea. It's heavy, bulky, and not handy to use in a utilitarian fashion.
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Falls back to training or maybe the statement he made wasn't totally accurate to begin with.

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Originally Posted By Dinnertime:



I seem to remember a officer murdering a suspect in the subway because he pulled his pistol thinking it was his taser, I bet he thought he would never screw that up.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant




Falls back to training or maybe the statement he made wasn't totally accurate to begin with.



It falls back to training, and not being a fucking retard.



That guy missed the base on both accounts.



 
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I carry a Strider ED fixed blade behind my pistol. It is used on almost every training day.... for opening cases of ammo, cutting up food, popping blisters, cutting 550 cord, and general utility knife stuff. I've used it operationally for popping light bulbs, cutting seat belts, marking doors ....

To me a knife can be used as a lethal weapon, but so can a flashlight or 550 cord. It's not the primary use and it shouldn't be treated as such. A knife is a valuable tool, but I don't think having a giant rambo knife is a good idea. It's heavy, bulky, and not handy to use in a utilitarian fashion.
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Why not just use a pocket folder?
Link Posted: 11/4/2013 7:43:29 PM EST
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Updated setup.

HSGI Cobra, HSGI Suregrip, 2x single pistol TACOs, 1x pistol/rifle TACO, 1x single rifle TACO, Maxpedition Rollypoly dump pouch, Tactical Tailor H1 pouch, G Code SOC for G17 w/ TLR-1.

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Okay I'm totally confused now. Is ARFCOM for or against a fixed blade knife on a warbelt? I keep going back and forth with this. Every time I spend any time in the woods camping hunting or fishing. A fixed blade knife comes in very handy and is used quite often. For any number of tasks. It seems reasonable that if your belt is ever used in any situation where survival is the goal a knife would be a good thing to have. Range use not so much. So where are we at on this?
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Okay I'm totally confused now. Is ARFCOM for or against a fixed blade knife on a warbelt? I keep going back and forth with this. Every time I spend any time in the woods camping hunting or fishing. A fixed blade knife comes in very handy and is used quite often. For any number of tasks. It seems reasonable that if your belt is ever used in any situation where survival is the goal a knife would be a good thing to have. Range use not so much. So where are we at on this?
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I'm not saying it's retarded to put a knife on your first line, but it's retarded to put a knife on your first line.  People need to stop seeing pictures on the internet and copying what they see, it leads to dumb shit.

 
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Okay I'm totally confused now. Is ARFCOM for or against a fixed blade knife on a warbelt? I keep going back and forth with this. Every time I spend any time in the woods camping hunting or fishing. A fixed blade knife comes in very handy and is used quite often. For any number of tasks. It seems reasonable that if your belt is ever used in any situation where survival is the goal a knife would be a good thing to have. Range use not so much. So where are we at on this?
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We're at "it's retarded."
Link Posted: 11/4/2013 8:11:48 PM EST
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I'm not saying it's retarded to put a knife on your first line, but it's retarded to put a knife on your first line.  People need to stop seeing pictures on the internet and copying what they see, it leads to dumb shit.
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Originally Posted By YoteSlayer69:


Okay I'm totally confused now. Is ARFCOM for or against a fixed blade knife on a warbelt? I keep going back and forth with this. Every time I spend any time in the woods camping hunting or fishing. A fixed blade knife comes in very handy and is used quite often. For any number of tasks. It seems reasonable that if your belt is ever used in any situation where survival is the goal a knife would be a good thing to have. Range use not so much. So where are we at on this?



 

I'm not saying it's retarded to put a knife on your first line, but it's retarded to put a knife on your first line.  People need to stop seeing pictures on the internet and copying what they see, it leads to dumb shit.
 



Personally, I think it's a good idea to have a fixed blade on your first line belt.





We are really only arguing about what it's used for, and thus where it would be placed.





Do whatever works for you bro.





 
Link Posted: 11/4/2013 8:13:25 PM EST
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Updated setup.



HSGI Cobra, HSGI Suregrip, 2x single pistol TACOs, 1x pistol/rifle TACO, 1x single rifle TACO, Maxpedition Rollypoly dump pouch, Tactical Tailor H1 pouch, G Code SOC for G17 w/ TLR-1.



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This man is running my dream setup.



Rock on brother.



 
Link Posted: 11/4/2013 8:24:42 PM EST
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Link Posted: 11/4/2013 8:27:53 PM EST
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Well I can see why many put it right behind the holster. I'm still on the fence though. Not alot of room on the belt. Multi tool is more versatile. I think I'll mull it over a bit more. Great read on the pro's and cons though. Thanks for the info
Link Posted: 11/4/2013 8:38:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By YoteSlayer69:
I'm going with a fixed blade on my first line. Based on it's better to have and not need than to need and not have.
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Better stack on everything else while you're at it.
Link Posted: 11/4/2013 8:40:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DRhodes:


Better stack on everything else while you're at it.
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Originally Posted By YoteSlayer69:
I'm going with a fixed blade on my first line. Based on it's better to have and not need than to need and not have.


Better stack on everything else while you're at it.



Yep I here you loud and clear. Read my edit. Very easy to get carried away on a belt.
Link Posted: 11/5/2013 8:50:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dinnertime:


Why not just use a pocket folder?
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Originally Posted By DoctorNo:
I carry a Strider ED fixed blade behind my pistol. It is used on almost every training day.... for opening cases of ammo, cutting up food, popping blisters, cutting 550 cord, and general utility knife stuff. I've used it operationally for popping light bulbs, cutting seat belts, marking doors ....

To me a knife can be used as a lethal weapon, but so can a flashlight or 550 cord. It's not the primary use and it shouldn't be treated as such. A knife is a valuable tool, but I don't think having a giant rambo knife is a good idea. It's heavy, bulky, and not handy to use in a utilitarian fashion.


Why not just use a pocket folder?


Why? A small fixed blade is quick to deploy, can be used as a pry bar, and only requires one hand no matter what I'm doing. It's mounted on a hard sheath just behind my pistol on my safariland drop leg. Keeps it away from my sweatmaker during those 15 hour call outs too.



Completely out of the way, adds little to no weight, and is used heavily. I used it today to cut off flex cuffs, open cases of ammo, and pry a blown out casing from a rifle chamber.
Link Posted: 11/6/2013 4:11:05 PM EST
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Another fixed-blade-on-the-belt-behind-the-handgun guy here. I'm a recreational shooter but I have been through a couple courses and have not had an issue.
Link Posted: 11/7/2013 4:54:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 0uTkAsT:
Another fixed-blade-on-the-belt-behind-the-handgun guy here. I'm a recreational shooter but I have been through a couple courses and have not had an issue.
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How often do you use it recreationaly and during  guncamp?
Link Posted: 11/7/2013 7:49:29 PM EST
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How often do you use it recreationaly and during  guncamp?
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Originally Posted By DRhodes:
Originally Posted By 0uTkAsT:
Another fixed-blade-on-the-belt-behind-the-handgun guy here. I'm a recreational shooter but I have been through a couple courses and have not had an issue.


How often do you use it recreationaly and during  guncamp?


Mr. DR.   I think we can all agree that a fixed blade knife serves a useful purpose in many situations. The question many of us have is where to place it. First line? Second line? If first line is behind the holster okay? Or should we just for go it and use a multi tool. If so where to place that? First line? Second line? If first line is behind the holster okay. I appreciate all the knowledgable input I can get.
Link Posted: 11/7/2013 9:08:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By YoteSlayer69:



Mr. DR.   I think we can all agree that a fixed blade knife serves a useful purpose in many situations. The question many of us have is where to place it. First line? Second line? If first line is behind the holster okay? Or should we just for go it and use a multi tool. If so where to place that? First line? Second line? If first line is behind the holster okay. I appreciate all the knowledgable input I can get.
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I would vote first line.



There are several advantages to using a fixed blade for cutting over a folding knife/multitool blade. (Although I would say you also need a multitool.)



Where you place it is a personal decision, and I would encourage you to try different places and find what works best.



There is nothing wrong with putting it behind the holster.





 
Link Posted: 11/7/2013 9:28:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:





I would vote first line.



There are several advantages to using a fixed blade for cutting over a folding knife/multitool blade. (Although I would say you also need a multitool.)



Where you place it is a personal decision, and I would encourage you to try different places and find what works best.



There is nothing wrong with putting it behind the holster.



 
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Originally Posted By YoteSlayer69:



Mr. DR.   I think we can all agree that a fixed blade knife serves a useful purpose in many situations. The question many of us have is where to place it. First line? Second line? If first line is behind the holster okay? Or should we just for go it and use a multi tool. If so where to place that? First line? Second line? If first line is behind the holster okay. I appreciate all the knowledgable input I can get.


I would vote first line.



There are several advantages to using a fixed blade for cutting over a folding knife/multitool blade. (Although I would say you also need a multitool.)



Where you place it is a personal decision, and I would encourage you to try different places and find what works best.



There is nothing wrong with putting it behind the holster.



 




 
It sucks for entangled fighting - which I presume "fighting" knives would be used for.  Administrative knives don't have enough utility to rate being on a first line belt, my opinion.
Link Posted: 11/7/2013 9:29:10 PM EST
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Still not seeing a good reason to put a fixed blade on a belt, when literally everything everyone has said they use it for could be done with a quality folder.
Link Posted: 11/7/2013 9:36:36 PM EST
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It sucks for entangled fighting - which I presume "fighting" knives would be used for.  Administrative knives don't have enough utility to rate being on a first line belt, my opinion.
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:



There is nothing wrong with putting it behind the holster.



 


 
It sucks for entangled fighting - which I presume "fighting" knives would be used for.  Administrative knives don't have enough utility to rate being on a first line belt, my opinion.


Sure, and if you have knife fighting skills, that would certainly impact placement.



I would probably cut myself worse than my attacker.



Like I said, placement, like a lot of kit decisions, are very personal.



 
Link Posted: 11/7/2013 9:44:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dinnertime:


Still not seeing a good reason to put a fixed blade on a belt, when literally everything everyone has said they use it for could be done with a quality folder.
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I look at it with the thought process of being isolated from resources with my weapons, and my first line kit. Also, your first line kit will be with you all of the time.



I would want to have a good strong knife that I can get a commanding grip on. There is nothing that a folder can do better than a fixed blade.



Especially for only giving up 2 loops of MOLLE, you get a decent return on that real estate.





JMHO of course.
 
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 7:56:35 AM EST
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I keep an ESEE3 behind my handgun too. If you dont like it or it doesnt work for you then dont do it. Problem solved!
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 9:53:23 AM EST
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Originally Posted By CAsoldier:
I keep an ESEE3 behind my handgun too. If you dont like it or it doesnt work for you then dont do it. Problem solved!
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This reminds me of GOP vs Libertarian discussions in GD FFS
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 11:59:00 AM EST
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How may of you guys take the plastic insert out of your HSGI belts? How do you like it?
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 12:21:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Shay_Ellafrits:
How may of you guys take the plastic insert out of your HSGI belts? How do you like it?
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leave it

that's half the point of the belt

if you want a floppy belt, save $40 and get an ATS
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 12:29:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sconnieVLP:
Updated setup.

HSGI Cobra, HSGI Suregrip, 2x single pistol TACOs, 1x pistol/rifle TACO, 1x single rifle TACO, Maxpedition Rollypoly dump pouch, Tactical Tailor H1 pouch, G Code SOC for G17 w/ TLR-1.

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Very clean and simple. Like it a lot.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 1:18:11 PM EST
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Seriously, all this shit slinging about knives on belts... what difference does it make how others' gear is set up, how they use it, or whether they're a professional or not? No, I don't use mine that often - but it doesn't bother me where its at, it doesn't interfere with my draw or any other natural motions, and it doesn't add unnecessary bulk or weight, so I basically I don't have a good reason not to have it on there. To each their own, I won't tell you that you need one so don't tell me that I don't. Suggestions are fine but battling over it page after page is pointless. In such an unstable political environment we are all living in with thousands of idiots and politicians trying to take our rights away, why can't we just enjoy and appreciate the presence of like minded people without beating each other up about insignificant shit like this?

Rant over, pic thread

Link Posted: 11/8/2013 2:26:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:

leave it

that's half the point of the belt

if you want a floppy belt, save $40 and get an ATS
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By Shay_Ellafrits:
How may of you guys take the plastic insert out of your HSGI belts? How do you like it?

leave it

that's half the point of the belt

if you want a floppy belt, save $40 and get an ATS


Already have an HSGI. I've just found that it has high friction/pressure points on my hips, and was wondering if taking out the insert would relieve that.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:12:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Shay_Ellafrits:


Already have an HSGI. I've just found that it has high friction/pressure points on my hips, and was wondering if taking out the insert would relieve that.
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Originally Posted By Shay_Ellafrits:
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By Shay_Ellafrits:
How may of you guys take the plastic insert out of your HSGI belts? How do you like it?

leave it

that's half the point of the belt

if you want a floppy belt, save $40 and get an ATS


Already have an HSGI. I've just found that it has high friction/pressure points on my hips, and was wondering if taking out the insert would relieve that.

Also, it's designed for that pressure. The sharkskin is made to do that.

That said, removing the liner may help
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:16:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:

Also, it's designed for that pressure. The sharkskin is made to do that.

That said, removing the liner may help
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By Shay_Ellafrits:
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By Shay_Ellafrits:
How may of you guys take the plastic insert out of your HSGI belts? How do you like it?

leave it

that's half the point of the belt

if you want a floppy belt, save $40 and get an ATS


Already have an HSGI. I've just found that it has high friction/pressure points on my hips, and was wondering if taking out the insert would relieve that.

Also, it's designed for that pressure. The sharkskin is made to do that.

That said, removing the liner may help


I'll just try loosening it up a little, see if that helps, and if not, take the liner out. I'm just hoping for no sag.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:32:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 0uTkAsT:
Seriously, all this shit slinging about knives on belts... what difference does it make how others' gear is set up, how they use it, or whether they're a professional or not? No, I don't use mine that often - but it doesn't bother me where its at, it doesn't interfere with my draw or any other natural motions, and it doesn't add unnecessary bulk or weight, so I basically I don't have a good reason not to have it on there. To each their own, I won't tell you that you need one so don't tell me that I don't. Suggestions are fine but battling over it page after page is pointless. In such an unstable political environment we are all living in with thousands of idiots and politicians trying to take our rights away, why can't we just enjoy and appreciate the presence of like minded people without beating each other up about insignificant shit like this?

Rant over, pic thread

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+1 nice set up
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:32:57 PM EST
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Why not have a fixed blade? I don't get it.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:34:05 PM EST
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+1 nice set up
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Thanks
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:43:20 PM EST
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Knife behind holster?

The only thing a fixed blade is REALLY good for is weapons retention.  





Nearly EVERYTHING else can be done by good folding knife or multi-tool.
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