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Posted: 1/24/2010 6:56:59 PM EDT
[#1]
Originally Posted By Enforcer:
I used the airborne frame; for my wife's ruck. It's a combination of the Hellcat and Bobcat mods I have previously posted. What 'airborne frame' are you talking about - the ltwt rucksack frame that the Canadians called the model 64? Looking forward to the pics. |
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Posted: 1/25/2010 1:45:13 AM EDT
[#2]
Originally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By Enforcer:
I used the airborne frame; for my wife's ruck. It's a combination of the Hellcat and Bobcat mods I have previously posted. What 'airborne frame' are you talking about - the ltwt rucksack frame that the Canadians called the model 64? Looking forward to the pics. Down East Mfg Model 1606 Improved MOLLE 2 Airborne Frame 
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Posted: 1/25/2010 1:41:18 PM EDT
[#3]
Originally Posted By Enforcer:
Is that large camo ALICE an actual issue ruck? I've only seen one in 25-30 years and assumed it was issue; but I've questioned it since. According to all the sources I've read or seen the issue Large ALICE only came in OD. If it is genuine mil issue , what did it come from? USMC, Army or Airforce? That aside; you are going to have one sweet Hellcat. I would trade alot of gear to get a mil issue lg woodland camo ALICE ruck. Changing the subject. I finally set down and completed the ALICE hybrid ruck using a MOLLE frame. It is one sweet set up.  I used the airborne frame; for my wife's ruck. It's a combination of the Hellcat and Bobcat mods I have previously posted. With one additional modification. I'll take pictures of our outing and hope to have pics of the entire set up next week. I am very pleased with the result. I'm going to call this mod the "Wildcat" since it is significantly different from the Hellcat. It is more a me'nage a' trois of the Hellcat, Bobcat and MOLLE frame. If that dosn't generate some excitement I'm not sure what will Look for my post next week. I'm off for a weekend camping trip with the new Wildcat and 4 tried and true Hellcats.
I can't wait for your write-up. I have all the stuff laying around here somewhere and I'm gonna give it a try. |
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Posted: 1/25/2010 11:01:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Enforcer]
[#4]
Originally Posted By stoner63a:
Originally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By Enforcer:
I used the airborne frame; for my wife's ruck. It's a combination of the Hellcat and Bobcat mods I have previously posted. What 'airborne frame' are you talking about - the ltwt rucksack frame that the Canadians called the model 64? Looking forward to the pics. Down East Mfg Model 1606 Improved MOLLE 2 Airborne Frame http://www.downeastinc.com/images/IMG_1389.JPG stoner63a Thanks for posting the pics of the DE frames. I'll probably use them in my how to. They are a little better than the ones I have. BTW the Wildcat will use the 1606 frame. It is very well suited for the medium alice. I should have the assembly with instructions by the end of the week. I'll do a separate assembly for the 1603 (MOLLE Gen 3/4) in a few weeks. Both frames will accept the Lg and Med alice but each requires a slightly different approach. They both use the same two simple mods to make it work. The first is the Bobcat mod I posted awhile back(I'll link it later) and the second requires clipping the rolled, sewn end off the cinch straps. You then go ahead and perform the fastex buckle add on enhancement and use a second 1" slider at the top of the 1606(and a slightly different place on the 1603) as an anchor point with the cinch strap. I'll have a step by step with plenty of pics and explanations; but many of you versed in alice mods will figure it out by looking at the teaser pics I have posted below. Have fun with the picks; look for the "How to" sometime on friday. 
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Posted: 2/24/2010 10:54:09 PM EDT
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Thanks for the tip on the airborne frame - I've been lusting after that very frame after seeing one for way too much on ebay from an Australian seller - apparently they are standard issue down there? I love the AUSCAM ALICE packs too - they have three pockets big enough for a 2 Qt canteen. Someday I'd like to get one.
The REAL reason I posted however, was to turn you guys onto a great deal at Sportsmansguide.com - I just got 4 Dutch LBVs for $19.97 - even with shipping it came to just under $30. They look just like the aforementioned 'Medic MOLLE' LBV but look to have the capability to take either ALICE or MOLLE pouches. They are also in a cool pattern which looks a lot like British DPM, or maybe more like the French 'Lizard' pattern which saw so much action in Africa. For around here (northern AZ) it might be perfect, as it has some reddish tones, green and khaki. I will post as soon as I get them, but my camera is down apparently so I likely can't post pics. Gotta get that fixed.  The SG product number if anyone is interested is: BXM-173015. I should have enough damn LBVs to outfit a squad after this. Guess I could wear a different one every day of the week...
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Posted: 2/25/2010 2:47:28 PM EDT
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This damn forum has cost me over $100 today!
I saw the post on the FLC's. Ordered 5 of them from ghilliesuits. Still need to accessorize them with mag pouches etc..... Saw this post on Alice Gear.....Saw the last post about the Sportsmans Guide Dutch "vests"......bought 4 of those too. BUT, I also happened to notice that they had some Dutch magazine chest pouches......yup, bought several of those. While I was ordering I though what the hell, I can always use some more of those German G3 mag pouches...... I gotta stop coming here! |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2010 11:18:01 PM EDT
[#7]
Originally Posted By Enforcer:
The second set of images is a hybrid alice/molle pack I put together. It is probably the most bullet proof pack I have ever used. I currently have three assembled(mine and my two oldest sons who are in scouts). The only group of boys who are harder on things than GI's I will be building 1 more next week for my wife; once she saw how rugged these packs were she had to have one as well. I also have the additional parts saved away, so that when my youngest son is large enough; I'll put his together.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/caneyforkoutfitters/alle1.jpg I like to call this hybrid the "ALLE Pack". My youngest son misunderstood and calls it the "alley cat"  I have now nicknamed it the "Hell Cat" We have taken it on numerous trips to the Smoky's and Appalacian trail; Cave trips; and back country big game hunts; It has performed flawlessly. Everyone who sees this pack is amazed at it's sturdiness; adaptability; bullet proof construction; and overall utility; At a bargain price to boot! It always draws curiousity seekers and comments.
The pack consists of alice frame; medium alice ruck; molle shoulder straps; molle moulded kidney belt; and molle sleep system carrier. NO MODIFICATIONS ARE NEEDED TO ASSEMBLE. Once assembled you have a medium capacity expedition pack; completely unitized(packed items won't shift); with top and bottom access. The pack has roughly 3500-4000 cubic inches of carrying capacity(3500 by dimensional calculations but closer to 4000 of actual capacity). Capacity can be expanded by either using a large ruck or adding molle sustainment pouches to one or both sides. That would potentially increase capacity up to 8000 cubic inches. The 5 packs that I own have cost me less than $250 combined. You have to shop around; but this pack can be easily assembled for less than $50. We'll be taking them on a cave trip this weekend; so when I return next week I'll put together a "how to" thread on it's assembly. II just ordered the woodland alice pack and will build one of these. This is an amzing thread! Thanks for all the info |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2010 9:04:08 PM EDT
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I have a medium ALICE pack w/frame in woodland, just needed to order the MOLLE straps, belt, and sleep carrier. I was impatient in my ordering, but found a site that has the straps, frame, and belt for $35. On another site I found the sleep carrier for $5. I'll be converting my pack to a Hellcat as soon as my parts get here!
Outstanding thread!
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Posted: 4/27/2010 12:52:17 AM EDT
[#9]
Has anyone ever seen, heard of, or used a Contra Pack? They were kind of like early 3 day packs back in the 80s. I'd love to find one.
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Posted: 4/27/2010 1:29:58 AM EDT
[#10]
Originally Posted By jtb0311:
Has anyone ever seen, heard of, or used a Contra Pack? They were kind of like early 3 day packs back in the 80s. I'd love to find one. You might IM raf. He seems to be the resident historian on USGI gear. |
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Posted: 4/27/2010 2:46:38 AM EDT
[#11]
Originally Posted By jtb0311:
Has anyone ever seen, heard of, or used a Contra Pack? They were kind of like early 3 day packs back in the 80s. I'd love to find one. Yeah, I've got a couple in med. wt. nylon pack-cloth, one in Olive Green, the other in Woodland. Bought from Brigade QM long ago, so it's entirely possible that they are repros, and possibly not terribly exact repros, at that. Kinda tough to find info/pix on 'em. Possibly Osprey or another book publisher has some sort of book out on the Contras–– and their weapons/equipment–– by now. Historical interest aside, they are rather small and quite simple in construction, being a single compartment with largish top-flap, secured by fastex QD buckles. Since cold weather gear was not usually needed in Nicaragua, the pack would be OK for the essentials, like food, mosquito net, hammock, and so forth. The contras traveled pretty light, and the capacity of the pack reflects that. As a practical matter, any of the modern GI MOLLE assault packs currently available (basic as they are) are light years ahead of the Contra packs. |
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Posted: 4/30/2010 12:00:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Enforcer]
[#12]
A side note on my Wildcat above. The mod worked great but I havn't posted the full instructions yet. I was notified that Down East Inc. has come out w/an improved version of the 1606 frame. It is Alice compatible. They dubb it the 1606AC. The old frame was too wide at the top to slip the ALICE ruck over. You either had to cut the wings down or use the bobcat mod as pictured above to make it work. I spoke w/ DE about a year ago and they were very interested in how they could make the 1606 compatible w the ALICE. I gave them my suggestions; I measured the 1606 and told them what width at the top would be needed. The 1606 was so close in it's first version that I hated to take a saw to it just to lose about an inch on either side. They asked for pics and I sent a couple. Never heard back from them, but it appears they did make some changes. I'll be contacting them tomorrow to see if I can get my hands on the new frame. Once I put a ALICE on it I'll post it and include the mods I made to make it work for the older 1606. In the mean time here are some pics and descriptions that will show the slight, but significant differences between the two. The 1606 frame makes these mods noticebly lighter, my wife loves hers. I'm staying with the Hellcat; but one of my son's may switch frames if I can get them to come down a bit in price($36 + s/h). The only down side I see using the 1606 is you can only adjust for a couple of inches of torso length. The Hellcat has almost 6 inches of available adjustment compared to 2 inches at best w/ the 1606.
Old 1606; the top of the frame is noticeably wider than the AC version 
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Posted: 4/30/2010 3:25:34 PM EDT
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Enforcer, I want to thank you on behalf of our membership.
Good work on looking into all of this. I'd like to add my personal "Well done". I'll bet that most of the members of this forum had you as their next-door neighbor. Me, too. |
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Posted: 4/30/2010 7:07:14 PM EDT
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That is exactly what I've been looking for. I think it might be time I retired the old M1941 Mountain pack.
 I already have the MOLLE strap set and a couple ALICE packs, so it's a no-brainer. Great work!
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Posted: 4/30/2010 10:25:07 PM EDT
[#15]
Enforcer, you are the man! Well done.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2010 11:00:29 PM EDT
[#16]
The info in this thread is great. This thread hasn't been tacked yet because ???????
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Posted: 5/8/2010 11:30:18 PM EDT
[#17]
Originally Posted By NewGunNut:
The info in this thread is great. This thread hasn't been tacked yet because ??????? Good question.
This thread and the MOLLE FLC thread should both be tacked, IMHO.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2010 11:44:45 PM EDT
[#18]
Originally Posted By NewGunNut:
The info in this thread is great. This thread hasn't been tacked yet because ??????? Too much Molle. |
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Posted: 5/9/2010 4:17:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Enforcer]
[#19]
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Originally Posted By NewGunNut:
The info in this thread is great. This thread hasn't been tacked yet because ??????? Too much Molle. MOLLE by design was meant to be utilized w/ ALICE gear so the armed services could transition easily from one system to the other. The many posts showing/discussing modified ALICE gear just demonstrates the versatility of the system and that it is not obsolete by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, with some creativity, ALICE can be made to perform as well or better than current gear(IMHO) . ALICE will accept most MOLLE but the reverse can't be said or done very easily w/ MOLLE gear.
Raf & TimJ Thanks for the kind words. |
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Posted: 5/11/2010 12:52:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Citadel-SC]
[#20]
Nice set ups
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Posted: 5/11/2010 1:30:57 PM EDT
[#21]
citadel, what's the backstory for that bit-o-kit?
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Posted: 5/11/2010 1:44:43 PM EDT
[#22]
Originally Posted By ARJJ:
Originally Posted By NewGunNut:
The info in this thread is great. This thread hasn't been tacked yet because ??????? Good question.
This thread and the MOLLE FLC thread should both be tacked, IMHO. I tacked and toggled non-archive status for both of 'em. All these buttons come in handy every now and then. |
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Posted: 5/11/2010 2:05:55 PM EDT
[#23]
Originally Posted By TimJ:
citadel, what's the backstory for that bit-o-kit? Just some Russian stuff I have collected and played with. SPOSN Smersh setup similar to our old LBE but nicer and more comfortable. Took off the other mag pouch and added the PKM pouch for misc. stuff in theory like optics, tools, extra ammo etc. It gives also gives more room for the Makarov holster. I also added the EG canteen for fun because it matches up pretty good. The tactical sling is also SPOSN. Just playing around with different stuff. This setup is pretty common with Russian units nowadays. |
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Posted: 5/11/2010 2:15:32 PM EDT
[#24]
Sure as hell ain't American or East German... Possibly Soviet/Russian? |
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Posted: 5/11/2010 2:19:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
[#25]
Originally Posted By TimJ:
citadel, what's the backstory for that bit-o-kit? TimJ, and all you other ALICE fans really ought to check out this site:http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/index.html. Have asked around, and the respondents were very positive as to quality, etc. Some of their M1/SKS pouches are on my short list. Disclaimer: No financial interest. |
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Posted: 5/11/2010 3:03:36 PM EDT
[#26]
Great thread, I need to dig my old ALICE gear out of the storeroom
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Posted: 5/11/2010 3:12:23 PM EDT
[#27]
Citadel, those look like comfortable suspenders....
raf, I've seen some of their stuff, it appears well made. When I see you ask me about gear makers, I've got a story for you.... |
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Posted: 5/11/2010 3:22:08 PM EDT
[#28]
Originally Posted By TimJ:
Citadel, those look like comfortable suspenders.... raf, I've seen some of their stuff, it appears well made. When I see you ask me about gear makers, I've got a story for you.... The sooner, the better. |
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Posted: 5/11/2010 3:51:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Citadel-SC]
[#29]
Originally Posted By TimJ:
Citadel, those look like comfortable suspenders.... raf, I've seen some of their stuff, it appears well made. When I see you ask me about gear makers, I've got a story for you.... |
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Posted: 5/12/2010 1:33:57 PM EDT
[#30]
Originally Posted By raf:
Originally Posted By TimJ:
citadel, what's the backstory for that bit-o-kit? TimJ, and all you other ALICE fans really ought to check out this site:http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/index.html. Have asked around, and the respondents were very positive as to quality, etc. Some of their M1/SKS pouches are on my short list. Disclaimer: No financial interest. I'm glad you posted that link again raf - I haven't seen that site for years - they always had good gear, but it looks like they've expanded and improved their product line. I'll definitely be buying some pouches from them in the near future. |
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Posted: 5/12/2010 9:37:56 PM EDT
[#31]
Originally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By raf:
Originally Posted By TimJ:
citadel, what's the backstory for that bit-o-kit? TimJ, and all you other ALICE fans really ought to check out this site:http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/index.html. Have asked around, and the respondents were very positive as to quality, etc. Some of their M1/SKS pouches are on my short list. Disclaimer: No financial interest. I'm glad you posted that link again raf - I haven't seen that site for years - they always had good gear, but it looks like they've expanded and improved their product line. I'll definitely be buying some pouches from them in the near future. man that place is great!!! |
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Posted: 5/18/2010 9:19:00 AM EDT
[#32]
Originally Posted By raf:
Originally Posted By ARJJ:
Originally Posted By NewGunNut:
The info in this thread is great. This thread hasn't been tacked yet because ??????? Good question.
This thread and the MOLLE FLC thread should both be tacked, IMHO. I tacked and toggled non-archive status for both of 'em. All these buttons come in handy every now and then. Thanks raf, I noticed the other day it was tacked, it is well deserved due to the many great contributors in both threads. Hats off to all of you. |
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Posted: 5/18/2010 9:25:28 AM EDT
[#33]
Originally Posted By raf:
Originally Posted By TimJ:
citadel, what's the backstory for that bit-o-kit? TimJ, and all you other ALICE fans really ought to check out this site:http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/index.html. Have asked around, and the respondents were very positive as to quality, etc. Some of their M1/SKS pouches are on my short list. Disclaimer: No financial interest. I agree, great site. I may have to break down and get the vest for the Garand and add it to my current web set up. Then build another for my M4gery. The $$$$ starting to leave my wallet.......makes me a little nervous
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Posted: 5/19/2010 7:52:56 PM EDT
[#34]
Originally Posted By Citadel-SC:
Originally Posted By TimJ:
Citadel, those look like comfortable suspenders.... raf, I've seen some of their stuff, it appears well made. When I see you ask me about gear makers, I've got a story for you.... Yes, they are very comfortable and padded. The belt fits into this padded rear harness aiding in comfort / distribution as well. The bayonet can be held in place by the elastic bands built into the pouches usually used for flares. http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx79/miglan20/DSC00783.jpg Here is the correct canteen with MOLLE cover. http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx79/miglan20/DSC00784.jpg Pouches are reinforced with plastic and have removable dividers. The pouch can hold two magazines loosely with the divider and three when removed. http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx79/miglan20/DSC00789.jpg http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx79/miglan20/DSC00788.jpg Why the bullets up in the mag pouch? Seems like the lip on the boittom of the AK mag would hinder their removal in a hurry. |
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Posted: 5/20/2010 1:57:33 PM EDT
[#35]
Originally Posted By Enforcer:
Originally Posted By raf:
Originally Posted By TimJ:
citadel, what's the backstory for that bit-o-kit? TimJ, and all you other ALICE fans really ought to check out this site:http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/index.html. Have asked around, and the respondents were very positive as to quality, etc. Some of their M1/SKS pouches are on my short list. Disclaimer: No financial interest. I agree, great site. I may have to break down and get the vest for the Garand and add it to my current web set up. Then build another for my M4gery. The $$$$ starting to leave my wallet.......makes me a little nervous
It might be to your advantage to get a couple of inexpensive GI woodland FLCs from this guy:http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=90&t=762939, and just buy the appropriate pouches from FMCO. That's my plan. I bought a couple VG units, and condition was as stated, shipping time/price good. |
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Posted: 5/23/2010 11:21:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Citadel-SC]
[#36]
Originally Posted By 4schitzangiggles:
Originally Posted By Citadel-SC:
Originally Posted By TimJ:
Citadel, those look like comfortable suspenders.... raf, I've seen some of their stuff, it appears well made. When I see you ask me about gear makers, I've got a story for you.... |
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Posted: 5/24/2010 5:40:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
[#37]
Posted in another thread, and submitted for your consideration:
FYI, the ALICE packframe was initially issued with two adjustable "Cargo Straps", and an aluminum clip-on "Cargo Shelf". The shelf clipped onto the horizontal cross-members of the frame, and allowed rigid objects like a 5-gal fuel can or up to 4 ammo cans to be carried when tied-down with appropriate cargo straps. The ALICE frame was intended for uses in addition to carrying packs; might want to give that a little thought. These frames, hopefully upgraded with TT or the more desirable MOLLE waistbelt and shoulder-straps, are very useful for a LOT of uses besides carrying ALICE packs. The poster above, (in other thread) who toted a deer stand, has illustrated this, but I figure he might have found things a bit easier if he had a cargo shelf handy. Let's put it this way: I can carry 1 5-gal fuel can with 1 cargo shelf and 1 cargo strap. I can carry 4 50-cal ammo boxes with one cargo shelf and two cargo straps. Without the shelf, I would have to use I dunno how many straps, and don't forget that the GI cargo straps will take a LOT more stress than either Mil or civvy Fastex-buckled straps, on account of their using steel hardware as opposed to plastic. I have all this stuff, and use what is appropriate. A sometimes incredibly useful accessory, the cargo shelf is not too hard to find. Usually cheap, as in a few bucks. Be advised that the older plywood packboard, and the Vietnam era packframe also had similar, but not identical clip-on shelves, so make certain of what you buy. FWIW, My plywood packframe came with 2 shelves, and my Viet aluminum framed pack has an appropriate one as well. All my ALICE packs have a shelf and a few GI QD cargo straps stored in them, as well as come civvy QD straps. The link below shows a good diagram of the ALICE shelf. About halfway down, on the right. If what you're buying doesn't look identical, beware. Alice shelves were usually originally black, Viet and plywood shelves IIRC originally OG or OD, respectively. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALICE_pack |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/29/2010 7:27:21 AM EDT
[#38]
Just wanted to post up one of my favorite mods to the alice 3xMag pouch.
Cutting the frag carriers & the flap. 
Closer look at the cut & melted flap. 
Front open. 
Side open. 
Well you might ask why do this. 
For one the flap opens much farther, Makes it super easy to get the mags out. 
Lastly now you can fold the flap behind the pouch & run it open top. 
Just thought I would share.
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Posted: 5/31/2010 9:06:05 AM EDT
[#39]
Originally Posted By HellioN:
Just wanted to post up one of my favorite mods to the alice 3xMag pouch. Cutting the frag carriers & the flap. http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab292/shiro128c/rig/PIC-0076.jpg Closer look at the cut & melted flap. http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab292/shiro128c/rig/PIC-0075.jpg Front open. http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab292/shiro128c/rig/PIC-0078.jpg Side open. http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab292/shiro128c/rig/PIC-0077.jpg Well you might ask why do this. http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab292/shiro128c/rig/PIC-0079.jpg For one the flap opens much farther, Makes it super easy to get the mags out. http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab292/shiro128c/rig/PIC-0080.jpg Lastly now you can fold the flap behind the pouch & run it open top. http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab292/shiro128c/rig/PIC-0081.jpg Just thought I would share. Nice! Ever thought about adding some shock cord to keep the other mags in place when running the top open? I just bought my first pieces of MOLLE gear - 2 open top mag pouches and a pistol mag pouch. Used them to replace one of my 3 mag ALICE pouches. Need to post some pics, but am seriously tempted to switch over to a full MOLLE set-up. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/31/2010 3:08:43 PM EDT
[#40]
Hey thats not a bad idea.
Where can I get some in bulk... |
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Posted: 5/31/2010 4:11:27 PM EDT
[#41]
Originally Posted By HellioN:
Hey thats not a bad idea. Where can I get some in bulk... Here $22 for 25 of them. They also offer smaller quantities at a slightly increased cost per unit. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/31/2010 4:50:59 PM EDT
[#42]
LULZ.
Thats a pretty good deal but I meant bulk shock cord tho. I found some, Teh powah of Google. Just a note, Their is a reason I only cut half of the flap. I find that cutting only half of the flap aids in retention. (When it's not folded behind the pouch.) When I go prone or if something hits the pouch just right the mags will "toaster" up. With half of the flap still there it will catch & keep it in place. The weight of the clip seems to keep the flap down after you open it. |
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Posted: 5/31/2010 8:47:13 PM EDT
[#43]
Originally Posted By HellioN:
LULZ. Thats a pretty good deal but I meant bulk shock cord tho. I found some, Teh powah of Google. Just a note, Their is a reason I only cut half of the flap. I find that cutting only half of the flap aids in retention. (When it's not folded behind the pouch.) When I go prone or if something hits the pouch just right the mags will "toaster" up. With half of the flap still there it will catch & keep it in place. The weight of the clip seems to keep the flap down after you open it. Duh. 
Blonde roots are showing today LOL.
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Posted: 6/1/2010 4:41:48 PM EDT
[#44]
Originally Posted By ARJJ:
Originally Posted By HellioN:
Hey thats not a bad idea. Where can I get some in bulk... Here $22 for 25 of them. They also offer smaller quantities at a slightly increased cost per unit. Just a heads up, there have been a lot of complaints about this guy (Gunny's surplus) from people in the retro forum who ordered uppers from him. He might be better on the small stuff, but his customer service is for shit. I won't deal with him after hearing some of the nightmares people have gone through. If you search the archives in the 'retro forum' I'm sure you'll find several threads about them. I don't intend to support his business.
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Posted: 6/1/2010 6:06:09 PM EDT
[#45]
Originally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By ARJJ:
Originally Posted By HellioN:
Hey thats not a bad idea. Where can I get some in bulk... Here $22 for 25 of them. They also offer smaller quantities at a slightly increased cost per unit. Just a heads up, there have been a lot of complaints about this guy (Gunny's surplus) from people in the retro forum who ordered uppers from him. He might be better on the small stuff, but his customer service is for shit. I won't deal with him after hearing some of the nightmares people have gone through. If you search the archives in the 'retro forum' I'm sure you'll find several threads about them. I don't intend to support his business.
Morg, thanks for the heads up. I've bought from him once, and I agree, his CS is so-so. (Small thread hijack here.) I selected UPS Ground shipping, and my order was sent FedEx. After a week of no shipping updates, and no order, I sent him an email asking to cancel the order. Later that same day, my wife came home and told me there was a box sitting on the front porch. It was my order, and it had been sitting there for 3 days! I sent another email instructing him to disreguard the first one, and still never heard anything from him. So yeah, I might would order from him again, but not if I was in a hurry to get my order.
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Posted: 6/1/2010 9:20:07 PM EDT
[#46]
Great info in this thread. Got me motivated to actually buy a pack instead of lusting after Kifaru or similar that I can't really afford right now.
I have acquired everything for a Hellcat except the medium alice on ebay...everything has been used, but authentic and in good condition. I'm still looking for a good deal on the pack. This seller has several unissued packs for sale, but they look "off" to me. Also the NSN listed seems to be wrong. Can anyone chime in on whether these look like cheap chinese junk? eBay Alice pack |
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Posted: 6/1/2010 11:18:54 PM EDT
[#47]
Originally Posted By aggie-01:
Great info in this thread. Got me motivated to actually buy a pack instead of lusting after Kifaru or similar that I can't really afford right now. I have acquired everything for a Hellcat except the medium alice on ebay...everything has been used, but authentic and in good condition. I'm still looking for a good deal on the pack. This seller has several unissued packs for sale, but they look "off" to me. Also the NSN listed seems to be wrong. Can anyone chime in on whether these look like cheap chinese junk? eBay Alice pack Dude, why not buy one from a fellow Arfcommer Here?
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Posted: 6/2/2010 11:39:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Enforcer]
[#48]
Originally Posted By aggie-01:
Great info in this thread. Got me motivated to actually buy a pack instead of lusting after Kifaru or similar that I can't really afford right now. I have acquired everything for a Hellcat except the medium alice on ebay...everything has been used, but authentic and in good condition. I'm still looking for a good deal on the pack. This seller has several unissued packs for sale, but they look "off" to me. Also the NSN listed seems to be wrong. Can anyone chime in on whether these look like cheap chinese junk? eBay Alice pack It's the real deal. It's a "radio case" a specialty med ALICE w/ a velcro flap on the right side of the larger top flap to allow the antennae of the squad radio to protrude; It will also have a larger radio pouch than the standard ALICE ruck. The USMC still issue this radio case; not completely sure about the AB. The USMC differs from the AB case in that the foam "yoke" extends the entire length of the pack. I have the USMC version. I'll try to post pics later today showing the differences. This is a unique find; and IMO they tend to be built a little stronger. I wouldn't pass on it. I use the flap and larger pouch to put my hydration system in; allowing the drink tube to come out the top of the pack. If you look at the front and rear enlarged pics of the ebay post you can make out the slit or flap. The rear view will show a line of extra stitching on the right top. Looking at the front view you can just make out the flap/slit on the top left of the pic. An FYI. The USMC is currently the only branch that still issues the med ALICE in large numbers for their recruits at boot camp. Of the hundreds I have handled over the last few years, both new and used, none have had NSN numbers anywhere on the pack. The specialty radio cases are the only ones I have found that still have the NSN numbers printed under the large flap. I'm not sure as to why; maybe to ensure they are readily identified and issued to the proper personel; preventing them for being mistaken for a regular ruck? If anyone has insight I'm all ears
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Posted: 6/2/2010 12:49:56 PM EDT
[#49]
Originally Posted By Enforcer:
Originally Posted By aggie-01:
Great info in this thread. Got me motivated to actually buy a pack instead of lusting after Kifaru or similar that I can't really afford right now. I have acquired everything for a Hellcat except the medium alice on ebay...everything has been used, but authentic and in good condition. I'm still looking for a good deal on the pack. This seller has several unissued packs for sale, but they look "off" to me. Also the NSN listed seems to be wrong. Can anyone chime in on whether these look like cheap chinese junk? eBay Alice pack It's the real deal. It's a "radio case" a specialty med ALICE w/ a velcro flap on the right side of the larger top flap to allow the antennae of the squad radio to protrude; It will also have a larger radio pouch than the standard ALICE ruck. The USMC still issue this radio case; not completely sure about the AB. The USMC differs from the AB case in that the foam "yoke" extends the entire length of the pack. I have the USMC version. I'll try to post pics later today showing the differences. This is a unique find; and IMO they tend to be built a little stronger. I wouldn't pass on it. I use the flap and larger pouch to put my hydration system in; allowing the drink tube to come out the top of the pack. If you look at the front and rear enlarged pics of the ebay post you can make out the slit or flap. The rear view will show a line of extra stitching on the right top. Looking at the front view you can just make out the flap/slit on the top left of the pic. An FYI. The USMC is currently the only branch that still issues the med ALICE in large numbers for their recruits at boot camp. Of the hundreds I have handled over the last few years, both new and used, none have had NSN numbers anywhere on the pack. The specialty radio cases are the only ones I have found that still have the NSN numbers printed under the large flap. I'm not sure as to why; maybe to ensure they are readily identified and issued to the proper personel; preventing them for being mistaken for a regular ruck? If anyone has insight I'm all ears
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Interesting. Thanks Enforcer! Sounds like a steal at $6.50 brand new.
Maybe Raf can chime in with some more history. 
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Posted: 6/2/2010 8:39:22 PM EDT
[#50]
Originally Posted By ARJJ:
Originally Posted By Enforcer:
Originally Posted By aggie-01:
Great info in this thread. Got me motivated to actually buy a pack instead of lusting after Kifaru or similar that I can't really afford right now. I have acquired everything for a Hellcat except the medium alice on ebay...everything has been used, but authentic and in good condition. I'm still looking for a good deal on the pack. This seller has several unissued packs for sale, but they look "off" to me. Also the NSN listed seems to be wrong. Can anyone chime in on whether these look like cheap chinese junk? eBay Alice pack It's the real deal. It's a "radio case" a specialty med ALICE w/ a velcro flap on the right side of the larger top flap to allow the antennae of the squad radio to protrude; It will also have a larger radio pouch than the standard ALICE ruck. The USMC still issue this radio case; not completely sure about the AB. The USMC differs from the AB case in that the foam "yoke" extends the entire length of the pack. I have the USMC version. I'll try to post pics later today showing the differences. This is a unique find; and IMO they tend to be built a little stronger. I wouldn't pass on it. I use the flap and larger pouch to put my hydration system in; allowing the drink tube to come out the top of the pack. If you look at the front and rear enlarged pics of the ebay post you can make out the slit or flap. The rear view will show a line of extra stitching on the right top. Looking at the front view you can just make out the flap/slit on the top left of the pic. An FYI. The USMC is currently the only branch that still issues the med ALICE in large numbers for their recruits at boot camp. Of the hundreds I have handled over the last few years, both new and used, none have had NSN numbers anywhere on the pack. The specialty radio cases are the only ones I have found that still have the NSN numbers printed under the large flap. I'm not sure as to why; maybe to ensure they are readily identified and issued to the proper personel; preventing them for being mistaken for a regular ruck? If anyone has insight I'm all ears
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Interesting. Thanks Enforcer! Sounds like a steal at $6.50 brand new.
Maybe Raf can chime in with some more history.
It's a variant new to me, and one I haven't handled. If someone is buying one, and wants to get me one also , I'll pay them the $6.50 plus all shipping and handling req'd to get it to me, plus a little bit for your trouble. Just chime in here. At any rate, the USMC is well-known for having Corps-specific variants of equipment, going back a long ways. It does not surprise me to learn of an ALICE pack made to Corps specs. In the past, the Corps was usually the last one in the supply chain, and budgets were always tight. Different/old/innovative/inexpensive gear all got considered for the Corps. |
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