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Posted: 9/9/2004 3:42:54 PM EST
Im new to AR-15's.... i have a few Hand guns and shotguns... but no AR-15... i hear alot of people are going to buy lots of AR's because the ban is over...

my question is whats going to be diffrent on a AR-15 now the ban is over? i know you can use Hi-caps mags but what else?


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Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:45:25 PM EST
bayonet, and flash suppressors, with threaded barrels
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:46:35 PM EST
Collapsable stocks as well.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:47:52 PM EST
EVIL factor
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:49:36 PM EST
You have always been able to use regular magazines (ie 20 and 30 round mags). The good thing about the ban going away is collapsable stocks. Not allowed on AR's from 9/94 to 9/04. A collapsable stock allows a better individual fit. Also now you can have a flash suppressor. Good for shooting in low light. They help protect your night vision. Then of course there is the evil bayonet lug for when you expend all of your ammo. or just don't want to lay your rifle on the ground
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:14:02 PM EST
because you can get one

they will have all of the excellent ar-15 features that deserve to be on any rifle
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:20:52 PM EST
You never know, another ban may come in the future. Also, you imply that you only have some handguns and a shotgun, well everyone needs at least one rifle, preferably a black one.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:23:34 PM EST
If you have to ask the question, you probably won't understand the answer.

Sorry, I don't mean that in a bad way..

Perhaps you'll be bitten by the bug someday, and you will understand.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:23:47 PM EST
Excellent article on this very issue.
www.jobrelatedstuff.com/content/articles/idealRifle/
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:45:13 PM EST
I have a post-ban, I will most likely not change my AR at all after the ban. A new collapsable may be purchased in the future for storage purposes, nothing else. I believe that I can speak for some of the members here, the items that will be allowed on an AR after the ban increase the performance by a small, negligible ammount. You should, however, purchase an AR because it is the best all-around firearm money can buy.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 6:12:32 PM EST
you will be able to buy a new AR-15 that actually SAYS AR-15 on it.....

but otehr than that, collapsible stocks, flash supressors and bayonet lugs, thats it, nothing major.

Link Posted: 9/9/2004 6:13:58 PM EST
Because it will piss this bitch off




and while your at it get a AK too
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:08:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By dpmmn:
Because it will piss this bitch off


www.pbs.org/newshour/images/law/july-dec04/0909_guns_feinstein4.jpg

and while your at it get a AK too hr



God damnit... I saw that ugly worthless bitch on TV today and I seriously had to leave the room after hearing 30 seconds of her lies.

/me goes to poke bleeding eyeballs out
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 8:12:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By intervivos:
You should, however, purchase an AR because it is the best all-around firearm money can buy.



Yup. +1
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 10:02:11 PM EST
I cant wait to build a new ar, just to use my suppressor...
I had to sell my decked out pre ban for the divorce, and moving expenses....lol..

My suppressos is still here collecting dust..
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 10:48:50 PM EST
Lets not forget grenade launchers. We will be able to put those on our rifles after the sunset. Not very practical or useful, but hey, we could put one on if we wanted to. Robert
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:56:40 AM EST

why should i get a AR-15 now the Ban is over?


I think you answered your own question there.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 3:01:43 AM EST
Yeah, get several AR's and few AK's .... the anti's will be back next year. Stay vigilant, protect your rights.

KAC
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 4:21:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By JeffersonDarcy:
you will be able to buy a new AR-15 that actually SAYS AR-15 on it.....

but otehr than that, collapsible stocks, flash supressors and bayonet lugs, thats it, nothing major.




sorry Jeff, but there will only be TWO Rifles/Carbines that will carry the "AR-15" name, & they are "Colt AR-15 A3 Tactical" & "Colt AR-15 A2 Gvmt. Model" even the M4 style will continue to carry the "Law Enforcement" model name, as a matter of fact, i have all three of those guns on order to be shipped Tuesday afternoon !!!!
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 5:36:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR-15NUTT:

Originally Posted By JeffersonDarcy:
you will be able to buy a new AR-15 that actually SAYS AR-15 on it.....

but otehr than that, collapsible stocks, flash supressors and bayonet lugs, thats it, nothing major.




sorry Jeff, but there will only be TWO Rifles/Carbines that will carry the "AR-15" name, & they are "Colt AR-15 A3 Tactical" & "Colt AR-15 A2 Gvmt. Model" even the M4 style will continue to carry the "Law Enforcement" model name, as a matter of fact, i have all three of those guns on order to be shipped Tuesday afternoon !!!!



I know.

I'm going to be getting the 6520 AR-15A2 govt model.

I'm not getting a 6920 cuz I already have a M4gery with all the features of a 6920 except the side sling swivel (but with a 14.5" barrel) and it doesent say AR-15 or M4 and I dont like how 16" m4 barrels look.

I would get an AR-15A3 tactical carbine if it came with a 1/7 pencil barrel, but it comes with a 1/9 HBAR. but then again I really do like the govt carbine, and I wont mind having an AR-15 to keep nearly stock (just a houge grip for now).

You're ordering all 3 tho? I see you have a happy sunset day coming

I'm just getting one... but I'll get another when colt gets their shit together and makes some things I want like:

20" govt profile barrel, fixed stock, flattop reciever, lower marked AR-15A4

that SCAR entry that was being talked about, similar to the LMT MRP

Link Posted: 9/10/2004 11:17:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/10/2004 7:40:02 PM EST by A_Free_Man]
Florida76 asked "Im new to AR-15's.... i have a few Hand guns and shotguns... but no AR-15... i hear alot of people are going to buy lots of AR's because the ban is over..."

Answer: We have been able to buy AR-15's all along, but not with the banned features. The rifle is the same, the accessories are different.

Let me put it this way, what if people were all upset about street racing? So, the Coalition to Ban Street Racing Cars looked in Hot Rod Magazine and looked at the pictures. They wrote the Street Safety Bill of 2000 that banned Camaros and Mustangs. Also, any car painted red, or with more than three colors, mag wheels, or hood scoops.

To get the Street Safety Bill of 2000 passed, the politicians and police chiefs warned "No one needs a nitro burning funny car dragster to run to the grocery store."

The new media, when talking about the SSB of 2000, showed a stop light changing from red to green, then cut to scenes of funny cars at the NHRA Championships smoking tires at the starting line, then cut to scenes of cars (actually involved in police chases from a popular TV show) being involved in terrible wrecks.

Camaros and Mustangs from previous years can still be owned and sold, but prices go up as they are highly desirable cars from when Men were Men and Cars were Cars. NHRA dragsters are completely unaffected by the SSB 2000 because they are never driven on public roads.

So, the car manufacturers made the same cars, but restyled the bodies, same frame and engines, as these were used in their other cars, too. They renamed them the Soccarmom and Executive. You could not buy them in red, or with more than two colors, and no hood scoop or mag wheel option was offered. Mag Wheels and hood scoops sold in auto shops had warning stickers on the boxes that said, "For use only on pre-2000 cars. Use on cars made after September of 2000 is a felony punishable by 10 yrs in Fed prison."

But the Soccermom and the Executive go from 0-60 just as fast as the older Camaro and Mustang. They handle the same, just as cool, just no mags or scoops. Some stupid kid put mag wheels on his Mom's Soccermom and went to prison where he roomed with Bubba.

Florida76 further asked: "my question is whats going to be diffrent on a AR-15 now the ban is over? i know you can use Hi-caps mags but what else?"

Now the car mfgs can change the name back to Camaro and Mustang if they want. They can offer hood scoops and mag wheels. You can put mag wheels and hood scoops on your 2001 Executive. But that poor kid will still be in prison with Bubba. It was a felony when he did it, but is not now. Tough, he was a criminal.

After the SSB of 2000 expired, the politicians, police chiefs, and news media talking heads are once again saying, "When this bill expires, it will once again be possible for 12 year old kids to go to any car dealership, buy one of these terrible machines and once again terrorize the streets with these nitro burning dragsters that are made only for running school buses off the road."

Now, back to the real question, the AWB... AR-15 type rifles may now have threaded barrels that can accept flash suppressors. That metal on the barrel has no effect on the muzzle velocity of the firearm, and will not keep your position hidden at night time. What it will do is lessen the night blinding effect of muzzle flash should you ever have to defend your family at night.

The manufacturers will no longer have to grind the bayonet lug off the front sight base. You see, the AR-15 and the military M16 do share a lot of parts in common, just not the parts that make it fire full auto. No, you cannot convert your AR-15 to full auto by filing the firing pin. All of the parts inside the AR-15 are designed to prevent conversion. You cannot buy the M16 parts needed unless you have a legally possessed full auto M16 (a police department, officer, etc). So, the front sight bases are made with the bayonet lug on there already, for use on the M16. For the last 10 years they had to be ground off for use on "post ban" AR's. Now they don't have to do that extra mfg step. I have never seen anyone put on a bayonet except a display AR-15 at a gun show. Cops don't use them. Bayonets are useless for home defense, and no one bothers. It just pisses me off to be told I can go to prison for having it on my rifle... that little lump of metal.

Oh, stocks.... now we can have folding or adjustable stocks. Let's use the car as an example, your driving age daughter is short, has to adjust the seat forward to drive. You are tall, let the seat back. Simple. The CAR(carbine telescoping) stock lets me adjust the stock short for my daughter, longer for me, and even longer for my very tall son. We can all shoot the same rifle with a simple adjustment.

A folding or telescoping stock is a convenience for storage, and does not make the firearm "concealable." It still won't fit under your shirt. The carbine is still 30" long with the stock in its shortest position, and about 35" with stock extended. Odd thing, you could legally put on a short fixed stock (so-called "tactical" stock) that is the same length as the adjustable CAR stock in its FULLY COLLAPSED POSITION. Some of these short "tactical stocks" have EXTENDABLE buttplates. Those were legal, but not the carbine "telescopic stock". If you can figure out the logic of this, fine, I can't.

None of the now legal features, their presence or lack, makes the AR-15 shoot more rapidly, with more velocity, whatever.

Magazines holding more than 10 rounds made after the enactment of the AWB could only be sold to cops, not civilians. But civilians could buy and use magazines made before the ban. Prices rose from $8 for a M16 30 round mag to as high as $40.

And these large (normal capacity) magazines could be used in firearms made during the ban. Only new magazines were banned.

Oh, and now families of our soldiers overseas will be able to buy NEW Beretta 9mm 15 round (standard capacity) magazines to send to them in Iraq. The military Checkmate brand mags are apparently very trouble prone, and make our soldiers pistols unreliable... risking their life even more than just being in a warzone. This has nothing to do with the AR-15, but a benefit of the sunset.

Florida76, I hope this answers your question.

Oh, why should you own an AR-15? They are FUN to shoot, easy to handle, and are effective home defense firearms. Recoil is very light, the firearm as a whole is light. Your wife and children can learn to shoot it quickly and safely.

(Clarification: The ban had NOTHING to do with machine guns. It was illegal before and during the ban, and is still illegal for you to have a machinegun (except under very exceptional circumstances) and you STILL MAY NOT convert an AR-15 to full auto. You still may not go into a store and buy a full auto like any other gun. Let me repeat, the AWB had NO effect on MACHINE GUNS. Not even apples and oranges, we are talking apples and parking garages. AWB affected only semi autos, not machine guns.)

Link Posted: 9/10/2004 11:35:56 AM EST
A_Free_Man, that is one of the best explanations of the AWB I've ever seen.

My Top-Hat is off to you.

Link Posted: 9/10/2004 11:49:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By ftierson:
Perhaps you'll be bitten by the bug someday, and you will understand.



Its bad when ya get bit too. Picked up my first about a month ago and already have three more in plans and Im pulling a 'Radar' and buying them piece by piece to keep them as far out of the wifes 'radar' as possible.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 11:52:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/10/2004 12:07:59 PM EST by A_Free_Man]
Thank you Breycor.

Lest anyone think my car analogy is silly, I was told that in one European country, I think Holland?, that mag wheels ARE illegal, as are most hot rod type mods. But they ARE allowed to put on hubcaps that simply LOOK like mag wheels. In Germany you can get in trouble for having dents, ugly peeling paint and rust on your car. You have to get that fixed.

I will add a little to the above post, and if anyone wants to copy and paste it somewhere else to explain the AWB, the effects of it in force and expiration, go ahead.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 3:55:48 PM EST
A_Free_Man,
I agree with Breycor, that was an awesome explanation.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 6:31:06 PM EST
Like A_FREE_MAN said. Right before the assualt weapon ban, I was talking to a local business man when he expressed is oppinion on the AWB. Now keep in mind he was always bitching about big brother and too many laws. His view was that no one needed more than a five round magazine as this was enough to get any job done that a civilian needed to do. People who owned the military guns were just nuts and fanatics. There were no reasons for anyone to own a semi auto AR or AK. I tried to explain to him that some people like to collect military style weapons and shoot them as well. I further told him that ammo for military caliber weapons was cheaper than other sporting weapons. It still did not make any sense to him. I told him that in England the gun ban did nothing to stop crime, people were still killing others with knives and blunt objects. Crimes were being commited on the elder ie home envasions, as they knew the law abiding did not have firearms. After he finished his rant, I began to change the subject and asked him about his pride and joy, his sports car in the park lot. I asked him how fast it would go. He replied that it would do more than 130 MPH and he really liked to drive it with the top down. Being a Police Officer, I began to tell him each year more people are killed by cars than by so called assault rifles in the U.S. I then asked him why he needed a car that who go so fast when a four cylinder escort would do him just fine to travel back and forth to work. Why did he need a car that was a production version of a race car? He got real defensive about his choice of what he drove, but he could not argue about the fact of automobiles taking more lives than firearms. I then asked him where in the constitution it said that he had the right to have a horse and buggy or any other type of personal transportation? I then hit him with the second amendment, not only owning and collecting firearms is a hobby, it is a right which is stated in the Constitution. He was speechless. It seems as long as a proposed law doesn't affect someone's lifestyle or hobby it is OK and then if you scare the miss-informed public with lies and twisted half truths, the sheeples will surely see it their way. Of course it doesn't hurt when you have the National TV networks spewing their agenda with outright lies. Thank God for cable and the Internet as sometimes the real truth gets through. Maybe the strength of the internet can help to suppress the next round of the AWB, and the truth will get out. Sorry for so long rant off.
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