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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - why is the surefire Foregrip so expensive?

Posted: 9/4/2005 1:35:58 AM EDT

It's a grip with a flashilight mounted to it right? Going off their prices however I must be missing somehing.

I see it's got some kind of LED light but maybe I'm just missing why it costs so damn much. My brother wants one and I was thinking about getting it for his Bday but looking at the thing I can't see how ot justify the cost.

what am I missing there?

Posted: 9/4/2005 1:39:07 AM EDT

[#1]

low volume
high quality

and drumroll please............
mostly purchased by government agencies

Posted: 9/4/2005 1:59:01 AM EDT

[#2]

I've wanted a surefire for my shotgun. But there's no way in hell i'm paying more for the forearm that i paid for the whole fricken shotgun. That's pure insanity.

Posted: 9/4/2005 2:53:50 AM EDT

[#3]

Some folks are buyint the Larue mount shown below, putting a grip and light on it, and using that instead of the SF.

http://www.laruetactical.com/lt/productImages/Picatinny%20Riser%20detail.jpg

Some benefits are being able to use a LED instead of bulb main light, going offset or in line, being able to go tape or thumb button, adding nav lights, laser, or both or neither.

Downside is that the SF puts the 3 batteries in the grip. This system does not.

Posted: 9/4/2005 8:50:11 AM EDT

[#4]

Remember now, you don't have to pay MSRP!

Posted: 9/4/2005 9:46:00 AM EDT

[#5]

What you're missing is the costs of development, the costs of cutting a mold, the costs of running a large company.

The tool for the grip probably cost at least 20-30k to have it done right the first time and get it completed in a reasonable amount of time. Then you have to pay someone to run the tool, produce parts, and make sure its done right.

Have you ever seen the SF's machine shop? They have several high speed lathes with live tooling. Those machines are not cheap.

Don't get me wrong, their lights probably cost approx 30-40% of MSRP to produce. Unfortunately in this evil imperial capitalistic society we live in, people want to make money.

Posted: 9/4/2005 12:20:20 PM EDT

[#6]

I'll goout on a limb here...

Has anyone seen, or tried the ALPHA light ..

Looks just like the M900..supposed to have 250 lumens..

Anyone have any experience..$195. on EBAY..

Posted: 9/4/2005 12:54:48 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Remember now, you don't have to pay MSRP!

I'm aware of that.. hell i even went to brownells and checked the discount price. But i'm jus thinking with the price of their lights themselves I dont' get the cost.

I do however realize they're out there to make $$$$$$$ so I can't complain about that.. just seems like alot to me since it'd have to be my money

Posted: 9/4/2005 12:55:35 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

mostly purchased by government agencies

that would bring the selling price up?

Posted: 9/4/2005 6:22:46 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
I'll goout on a limb here...

Has anyone seen, or tried the ALPHA light ..

Looks just like the M900..supposed to have 250 lumens..

Anyone have any experience..$195. on EBAY..

Asian airsoft toy gun light copied illegally and sent over. Its for toy guns.

Posted: 9/4/2005 7:38:54 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Quoted:

mostly purchased by government agencies

that would bring the selling price up?

they don't always buy from the lowest bidder

Posted: 9/4/2005 8:50:35 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
I'll goout on a limb here...

Has anyone seen, or tried the ALPHA light ..

Looks just like the M900..supposed to have 250 lumens..

Anyone have any experience..$195. on EBAY..
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They are $165 oh red wolfe.

Posted: 9/4/2005 9:54:24 PM EDT

[#12]

For $195 how many and how often will they break before they equal the cost of the surefire light?

Posted: 9/4/2005 10:43:58 PM EDT

[#13]

First,
Surefire makes Great lights, and I'm an end user of several of their weapon lights.

But when it comes to the M900, I started looking at it like this: I hold the M900 in one hand and it delivers
a blinding beam of 125/225 lumens(same as My M962s which are more configurable) and cost's around $430.

While in My other hand, I hold a Sig sauer P226/Night sights in Excellent condition
which delivers 15+1/20 rounds of 124gr. +P GDHPs that cost me $380 from CDNN.

Maybe I've gone totally bonkers, but I'd rather have another Sig Sauer.

Posted: 9/4/2005 11:27:32 PM EDT

[#14]

i have the m900 and its a great light and it fits my hands perfect.

Posted: 9/4/2005 11:33:15 PM EDT

[#15]

Tag, cause I want one.

Posted: 9/5/2005 12:36:19 AM EDT

[#16]

Depends on your application.

If you are going to use it for serious business where it absolutely cannot under any circumstances fail you (besides the spare batts and lamps) then go with a Surefire.

If you are getting it because it's cool or for home defense applications, you could probably get away with the Alpha knock-off.

Kind of like hammers. If your going to hang the occasional picture frame, a cheapy works just fine. If your a serious contractor that needs one for serious pounding and consistent strikes, a higher grade tool is needed.

Posted: 9/5/2005 12:45:54 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Depends on your application.

If you are going to use it for serious business where it absolutely cannot under any circumstances fail you (besides the spare batts and lamps) then go with a Surefire.

If you are getting it because it's cool or for home defense applications, you could probably get away with the Alpha knock-off.

Kind of like hammers. If your going to hang the occasional picture frame, a cheapy works just fine. If your a serious contractor that needs one for serious pounding and consistent strikes, a higher grade tool is needed.

if im defending my home i would want something im sure would not crap on me when i need it most.

if you're and airsofter then get the knock-off and go find the airsoft forum

Posted: 9/5/2005 5:43:26 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
First,
Surefire makes Great lights, and I'm an end user of several of their weapon lights.

But when it comes to the M900, I started looking at it like this: I hold the M900 in one hand and it delivers
a blinding beam of 125/225 lumens(same as My M962s which are more configurable) and cost's around $430.

While in My other hand, I hold a Sig sauer P226/Night sights in Excellent condition
which delivers 15+1/20 rounds of 124gr. +P GDHPs that cost me $380 from CDNN.

Maybe I've gone totally bonkers, but I'd rather have another Sig Sauer.

Thats a new light vs a used gun. Any way I did it the ARFCOM and bought BOTH! M900a and P226R with NS.

Posted: 9/5/2005 10:30:46 AM EDT

[#19]

SUREFIRE M900= Quality and a great warranty from my experience that enough. And for that other light mentioned you get what you pay for

Posted: 9/5/2005 12:24:43 PM EDT

[#20]

Pics, they always forget the pics

Posted: 9/5/2005 3:09:35 PM EDT

[#21]

I've been using the M900 for a while now on my entyry gun... Can't say enough how much engineering and quality workmanship went into it. It is a realy nice unit and my department should rest easy cuz' they got their money's worth when they bought it for me..........HEHE.

Posted: 9/5/2005 4:13:36 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
For $195 how many and how often will they break before they equal the cost of the surefire light?

It only takes one time (with your life on the line) to matter.

C4

Posted: 9/5/2005 4:16:07 PM EDT

[#23]

First off, the M900A has ZERO competition. If you make the best and your the only one making it then you can ask whatever you want for it!

C4

www.GRTactical.com

Posted: 9/5/2005 4:34:06 PM EDT

[#24]

It is a great unit. In hindsight I would have gotten the one with knobs instead of arms throwlever.

Posted: 9/5/2005 4:59:32 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
It is a great unit. In hindsight I would have gotten the one with knobs instead of arms throwlever.

Well well, now you can get a LaRue mount to replace the twin thumb screw mount

Posted: 9/5/2005 5:17:48 PM EDT

[#26]

I haven't seen this. Is it the same size? Part #?

Posted: 9/5/2005 5:22:32 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
I haven't seen this. Is it the same size? Part #?

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=20&t=248892

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