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Posted: 5/17/2003 6:12:41 AM EDT
Anyone who got one of the "clubfoot" carbine versions & think they'd rather have the standard version, I'm interested in a trade. I'm using mine on a #58 project & originally bought the standard version but have changed my mind. Lemme know...


Link Posted: 5/18/2003 6:29:15 AM EDT
I use both, and if I had to chose one it would be the club-foot because in most of my shooting, my support hand is supporting/controlling the toe of the stock from either the prone or bench firing positions. I also like the less obtrusive stock length adjustment lever of the club-foot model stock. I can also imagine several neat accessoroies being able to be mounted more effectively to the "more modular" toe of the club-foot. ColdBlue sends...
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 6:58:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By coldblue: I use both
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Can I interpret this as an official coldblue "seal of approval" on the VLTOR? If $$ was no object and you had a choice of both, would you select the Crane or the VLTOR? No intention of hijacking your post spider but, inquiring minds want to know.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 8:12:00 AM EDT
I don't believe money is that much of an issue for those that are wanting and waiting for the Crane stock, availablility however, is. Vltor is available now with a known asking price. For my carbine I still want a Crane, but for the 20" barreled rifle I'd go for the full length Vltor. So in keeping with the ar15.com tradition, get both [:d]
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 8:41:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 9:49:46 AM EDT
I've tried adding pics to the server, but they're all too big. Shame, too, as a 130 doing 250 KIAS @ 200' AGL scares the sh!t out of camel herds...
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 1:34:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 2:32:18 PM EDT
Helos had the airspace below that.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 3:31:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 4:35:51 PM EDT
Somehow I'm sure that wasn't one of HIS fondest memories... [:D]
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 6:53:35 AM EDT
Over the weekend I meet the designer of the Modstock (Eric). He came over, from North Idaho, to Puyallup (Seattle, WA area) for the Monthly W.A.C. show. He had all his stocks on display, with a constant flow of AR-fanatics handling the display guns. He seems like a nice guy with allot of ideas. Without giving away any secrets, he said he has a number of ideas currently being developed. Can't wait to see what they are! [:)] ls
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 7:56:30 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/19/2003 3:44:49 PM EDT
I think its like real estate: "location, location, location." So with the stock its "cheek weld, cheek weld, cheek weld." I mean what can I say? I am using both carbine and rifle sizes on two of my AR's because the cheek piece really fits me well. I also like the modularity in particular (present and future???) I mean, I only need a cheek piece on one side of my stock, right? So why carry around the extra cheek piece on the Crane stock? The only thing I am unsure about is what happens if I buttstroke somebody Marine Corps style? I'd like to try that on some wimp-ass nazi 3rd panzer tank commander. ColdBlue "ON GUARD" sends...
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 7:18:16 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/19/2003 8:12:43 PM EDT
I was also at the Puyallup, WA show and met him with his stocks. After spending 20 years in the military I appreciate a good stock and I was sold the minute I held one up to my cheek. Thanks for the carbine clubfoot! TJ
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 5:51:46 AM EDT
Y'all should ask him to come to ar15.com sometimes and chat, maybe coldblue has some pull with him [;)]
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 7:26:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/4/2003 1:38:24 PM EDT by Laird]
I also met Eric (a great guy)at the WAC show in Puyallup this past weekend, and spent the better part of 2 hours talking to him, and came a way with a lot of helpful info on a variety of topics relating to the AR...I came back Sunday morning and picked up a clubfoot carbine stock and Colt tube from him, and for some funny reason, the "jones" I had going for a Crane stock has now subsided completely...I'll post a couple of pics of it here as soon as my upper comes back from getting some work done on it. [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/p0258af6b08692cf3e564c0a351921243/fc0c548b.jpg.orig.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/p8203a6e600023cb5ca35409378f30c6a/fc0c548d.jpg.orig.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 9:08:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 9:39:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2003 9:40:42 PM EDT by JerseyGunny]
SFC: Thanks for the carbine clubfoot! Don't forget the rifle length clubfoot! Makes my M16A4 clone (thanks Wes, for all the help with RAS & Modstock) look BAD ASS. BTW, Coldblue - as long as you're here: when are you guys at Knight's going to update your website? Edited because I NEVER get it right the first time....
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 9:51:14 PM EDT
Contrary to what you may have seen, Knights wont be updating their www site, because they dont have one!
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 9:57:48 PM EDT
What about this: [url]www.knightsarmament.com[/url]
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 10:17:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JerseyGunny: What about this: [url]www.knightsarmament.com[/url]
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from what i understand, that website is not maintained or run by KAC, although it was originally intended as such (please feel free to correct me if i'm wrong). from my communications with both eric (vltor) and richard (magpul) - they're both great guys to talk to with innovative ideas. they're good people. cheers, MM
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 10:36:31 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/21/2003 4:00:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/21/2003 4:04:39 AM EDT by Seth_Livzz]
[s]Really dumb question here. Is there such a thing as a post ban compliant carbine VLTOR stock? Anyone think the VLTOR rifle stock would look weird on an M4 clone?[/s] Forget it, I found a pic of a carbine with the rifle clubfoot variant of the VLTOR and it doesn't look bad at all. Much more useful looking than the fake telestock I am currently using.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 5:42:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Seth_Livzz: Forget it, I found a pic of a carbine with the rifle clubfoot variant of the VLTOR and it doesn't look bad at all. Much more useful looking than the fake telestock I am currently using.
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Seth- I agree with you, why would anyone want a fake/pinned carbine stock, especially when the rifle version has cool styling and function. I have a rifle clubfoot on my SR25 and a standard carbine on my M4. Love them both! I found this picture on [url=http://www.troyind.com/Accessories.htm]Troy Industies[/url] website. It looks like they're going with the Vltor, instead of the Crane. [img]http://www.troyind.com/images/both.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 7:14:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By LordStoner: I found this picture on [url=http://www.troyind.com/Accessories.htm]Troy Industies[/url] website. It looks like they're going with the Vltor, instead of the Crane.
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yep, i've been told that the troy CQB carbine will be supplied with the vltor instead of the crane. btw, i supplied all the vltor pics on the troyind website (as you can see :-) cheers, MM
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 6:14:17 AM EDT
Hey Spider, Why do you want to go with the Clubfoot version? I too have the standard and wondering if I made a mistake. Don't get me wrong, I love my standard Modstock, but is there any other benefit by having the clubfoot protrusion? I could see the Clubfoot being extremely useful on the SPR system. The locking paddle seems interesting, got to play with it alittle at the WAC gunshow. Is there anyone that can explain the benefits of the clubfoot configuration? [>:/]
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 6:32:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 8:43:06 AM EDT
Troy Industries....one of my shooting buddies will be getting his "M1A" SOPMOD conversion in a week or so. Looking forward to shooting it. Troy Ind. was at a recent local gunshow and had an M14 SOPMOD on display, as well as the VLTOR stocks and a bunch of ARMs products. Very nice display. One of my friends purchased a VLTOR stock from Troy. Now he needs a milspec tube! I just gave him MSTNs phone number.
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 1:31:19 PM EDT
It's probably a good thing I don't even know that number... Must...have...#58... Hold one for me, my brother.
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