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Posted: 4/12/2006 12:38:49 PM EST
hi guys im new to the board.... jsut got my first ar15 about a month ago...

ive put about 500 rounds through it... the first 200 was pretty good maybe one jam

and it seems any time i put 20+ rounds in the D&H (green follower) it wont strip .... sometimes it would and sometimes it wouldnt... and to top it off it would jam under the feed rail... like right under the point where it would feed fine...

i found when i was using green tip ammo it was better but not fixed.... any kind of hollow point ammo was jsut horrible...

then today... i realize that the mag is loose when engaged and if i push it forward it will feed flawlessly.... so my question is.... is my mag garbage? or is the mag release clip thing ( forgive my newbness) that holds the mag bad?... im going to take a real close look tonight when i stip it down for a cleaning

the gun is an lmt upper 16.5 with a RRA lower stage 1

the date on the mag is 9 of 05

i hope to get to the bottom of this casue it seems more than one person is having these issues.... if it is my mag.... what would you guys suggest for a flawless working mag? (not HK... too $$$)

i appreciate any info

jake
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:39:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/12/2006 2:40:12 PM EST by jackal2001]
no one is answering because there are tons of topic about this.
read the topics below or search
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 5:10:05 PM EST
mmk well ill do a search ... but my post is here where it should be and the 2 sentences that you jsut wasted my time with could have been useful information.... ive seen the other posts... and my question included the issue of my mag release clip being bad, which was not covered in the post below.....

but yeah ill search it... if i find something ill appologize for wasting bandwidth hinking.gif
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 5:12:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By erollinc:
mmk well ill do a search ... but my post is here where it should be and the 2 sentences that you jsut wasted my time with could have been useful information.... ive seen the other posts... and my question included the issue of my mag release clip being bad, which was not covered in the post below.....

but yeah ill search it... if i find something ill appologize for wasting bandwidth


Don't worry about it. It's the arfcom way. It's the only way some people have to feel superior.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 5:34:50 PM EST
You might try the Troubleshooting forumn, read the Checklist.

Link Posted: 4/12/2006 5:39:16 PM EST
ok i appologize i found ONE out of many posts that mention my mag clip release issue and all that was to be found was..... " during a group buy of 1000 mags one guy had feed lip problems and he thought the release clip was out of spec"..... and wow that was it on that....


thanks for the help guys ill check out the trouble shooting checklist...
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 5:48:12 PM EST
did the checklist ..... it all checks out minus the part under test firing where it says use a proven mag... haha
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 6:02:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/12/2006 6:04:53 PM EST by billclo]
You might also check to make sure your hammer isn't burred, or the firing pin collar. I've seen both on my guns that don't have shrouded firing pins...see here:

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=66&t=276872

Probably not your problem, but worth double-checking into.

I've had great luck so far with the Center mags. Or any of the USGI preban mags are a fairly safe bet.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 6:26:30 PM EST
I've read in a number of places that you shouldn't load more than 18rds in any manufactures 20rd magazines.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 6:27:08 PM EST
I've read in a number of places that you shouldn't load more than 18rds in any manufactures 20rd magazines.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 7:15:24 PM EST
i didnt see any unusual wear in those areas thanks for the help though ill keep an eye out on them

as far as not loading mroe than 18 rounds in a 20.... this may be ture but by D&H is of the 30 round type... sorry for missing that
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 4:43:34 AM EST



the date on the mag is 9 of 05


My first bit of advice is to buy more than one mag, then get back to us.



Link Posted: 4/13/2006 10:27:39 AM EST
Try other mags from different manufacturers, if the problem persists you may hve to tighten the mag release Had a similar problem on my Armalite
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 10:42:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By billclo:
I've had great luck so far with the Center mags. Or any of the USGI preban mags are a fairly safe bet.



Exactly. That "33710" stamped on the side of my mag bodies lets me know I don't have to worry aboot a ting, Mon!
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:31:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By ringmaster1:
I've read in a number of places that you shouldn't load more than 18rds in any manufactures 20rd magazines.



20 rounds in a 20 rounder.

30 rounds in a 30 rounder.

If they won't function to spec, set them aside as range mags.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:40:35 PM EST
sorry guys i would have bought more than one but i havent gotten around to it and it came with my FIRST ar-15 i ahve bought... .... the guy i bought it from is sending me a replacement magazine immediately ...
hopefully it will work flawlessly
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 5:11:50 PM EST
send me an IM and I'll mail you an old beat up milspec mag that will work to ease your mind.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 6:59:47 PM EST
Read the mag forum. Several people have posted similar problems with the current batches of D&H mags having sharp feedlips, which are causing the fail to strip problems.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 7:24:51 PM EST
i noticed this...... but like i said i was wondering if my mag clip release was bad which no one has even commented on.... so it must not be the problem and that was not discussed on the other post...

but thanks, you think if i took a dremmel tool to the feed lips and smoothed them out that the mag would feed properly?
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 4:49:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By erollinc:
i noticed this...... but like i said i was wondering if my mag clip release was bad which no one has even commented on.... so it must not be the problem and that was not discussed on the other post...

but thanks, you think if i took a dremmel tool to the feed lips and smoothed them out that the mag would feed properly?



Yes, that's what I did and now they work fine.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 6:41:00 AM EST
I damned sure wouldnt use a dremel. With the wrong wheel, you will ruin your mags. I'd just use a bit if fine sandpaper, or a fingernail file.... if I felt they needed it.

Mine were having problems feeding from the bolt release... but when I test fired them in the feild, they ran just fine. I plan on polishing mine the old fashioned way. BANG, BANG, BANG.

Most likely, there is nothing wrong with your mag release hole. Just when you push it forward, you change the angle for the feedlip just a bit and this is likely helping to overcome some of the force required to strip the round from the burred feedlip.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 2:55:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By Q3131A:

Originally Posted By ringmaster1:
I've read in a number of places that you shouldn't load more than 18rds in any manufactures 20rd magazines.



20 rounds in a 20 rounder.

30 rounds in a 30 rounder.

If they won't function to spec, set them aside as range mags.


So you're saying Pat Rogers is wrong?
www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=20482&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1&nt=4
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 5:28:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By bigkracka:
So you're saying Pat Rogers is wrong?
www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=20482&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1&nt=4



Did you bother to read what he wrote?


Originally Posted By Pat Rogers
At every class i emphasize that what follows is not "the" way, but rather "A" way.

Link Posted: 4/15/2006 2:20:38 AM EST
so how much needs to come off then ...? im thinking at least 1 mm or so would be jsut right.... (pretty much just smoothing out the corners)

i am rather skilled with a dremmel tool... i have many attachments... i should be just fine... thanks for the warning though
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 8:09:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By FALARAK:

Originally Posted By bigkracka:
So you're saying Pat Rogers is wrong?
www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=20482&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1&nt=4



Did you bother to read what he wrote?


Originally Posted By Pat Rogers
At every class i emphasize that what follows is not "the" way, but rather "A" way.


Kevin, if somebody of Pat's caliber recommends downloading by two, I'd take that any day over the quirky mag crowd here.
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 11:31:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By bigkracka:
Kevin, if somebody of Pat's caliber recommends downloading by two, I'd take that any day over the quirky mag crowd here.



I'll agree with you there. My rifle instructor also recommends downloading by two.

Personally, I dont download.... just because it has never been an issue for me. If I used my weapon for a living, I would probably follow my training.... whichever way it was.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 7:08:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By FALARAK:

Originally Posted By bigkracka:
Kevin, if somebody of Pat's caliber recommends downloading by two, I'd take that any day over the quirky mag crowd here.



I'll agree with you there. My rifle instructor also recommends downloading by two.

Personally, I dont download.... just because it has never been an issue for me. If I used my weapon for a living, I would probably follow my training.... whichever way it was.

I had always heard of downloading but never gave it much thought since I wasn't into AR's at the time. When I got my first AR after the ban I had failures to strip rounds 30/29 from NIW Labelle's.

I recently checked one of my new D&H mags and fed fine from number 30 on down. But lately I've only been loading to 20. No other reason than the fun lasts longer and XM comes 20 to a box.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 7:28:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By in_burrito:

Originally Posted By erollinc:
mmk well ill do a search ... but my post is here where it should be and the 2 sentences that you jsut wasted my time with could have been useful information.... ive seen the other posts... and my question included the issue of my mag release clip being bad, which was not covered in the post below.....

but yeah ill search it... if i find something ill appologize for wasting bandwidth


Don't worry about it. It's the arfcom way. It's the only way some people have to feel superior.



The attitude isn't limited to AR15.com forum, it's the standard attitude of ANY forum. Only thing that changes is silly little acronyms that are used to slam newbs for asking newb questions, etc. ie: 87

For the OP, it sounds like your mags are the same date of manufacture as the other D&H mags that are having problems. I bought 5 with a date stamp of 02/06 and they ran flawlessly in a new Bushmaster.

I did however have fail to feed problems with the new Q3131 ammo in my 2 mags with green followers. Im going to have to try that ammo again in the proven mags.
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