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Posted: 10/9/2004 7:02:36 PM EDT
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You will have better luck one forum down in the AR variant forum. There are several threads there that might help you.
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Posted: 10/10/2004 11:14:26 PM EDT
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Thanks.
Wouldn't it be better to make this forum the "Ar180 & AR10 (copyright) and AR10 Style Rifles (BM 308, Panther LRR, KAC SR-25 etc.)" Or maybe we should simply have a "308 AR style Rifle" board. It would seem to make more sense to keep the 308s seperate from the Ar15s. |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 7:49:03 PM EDT
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I have 3 AR10s and now that ArmaLite is making new $39 20 round mags, the FAL mags issue is moot.
Also, for about $250.00 to $300.00 more than an ArmaLite, you get a non-chrome barrel and a 1 year (not lifetime) warranty. The BM .308 compares more to the Eagle Arms AR10........1 year warranty and non-chrome barrel. The Eagle sells for about $995. Now you are talking a $500 difference. |
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Posted: 10/12/2004 5:35:37 AM EDT
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Actually, no. Thanks. |
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Posted: 10/12/2004 5:46:10 AM EDT
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This can make a huge difference in the effective price. My AR10 is on the way back from a massive and free overhaul. I'll be posting an update in the coming week when it arrives. |
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Posted: 10/12/2004 6:27:32 AM EDT
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Check this out in the Bushmaster Industry Forum: BAR-10 Range Report |
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Posted: 10/12/2004 6:30:07 AM EDT
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That's the way it used to be before the AR Variants forum, but the AR-10 folks didn't want to play with the rest of us. |
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Posted: 10/12/2004 6:56:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/12/2004 3:35:22 PM EDT
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Apparently you made him cry....or he doesn't like the truth. |
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Posted: 10/12/2004 9:30:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2004 4:41:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2004 1:26:25 PM EDT
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no one seems to like me. especially after i tell them to take their shitmaster and go home.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 4:27:55 PM EDT
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Thats probably why. |
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Posted: 10/14/2004 6:52:52 PM EDT
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...but it's usually a good start..... 
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Posted: 10/14/2004 8:35:59 PM EDT
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Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.  I mean, if you buy a BARF-10, you gotta expect to take some grief. |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 6:02:14 AM EDT
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'The nut' posted that he was curious about the BARF-10. I started a similar thread a ways back. Seems not a lot of feedback here yet as these are reletively expensive at 1500.00. [I still want one].
Search back here and at the Industry forums under Bushmaster. |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 1:16:31 PM EDT
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Why do you want to pay $250 more for an unchromed barrel and a 1 year warranty (as compared to a chrome lined barrel and a lifetime warranty with an ArmaLite)? In fact, the Eagle Arms division of ArmaLite makes an AR10 with an unchromed barrel and a 1 year warranty for about $995. |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 4:03:24 PM EDT
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Yes, they do. But, does it: - Have an ambidextrous mag release? No. - Have an ambidextrous bolt catch/release? No. - Have an ambidextrous Charging Handle? No. - Accept FAL mags at $9 each? No. - Have a 3-rail gas block? No. - Have an Ace Skeleton stock available as a no-cost option? No. - Have a provision for a 1,000 yard BUIS? No. The Bushmaster 308 has all of these. Just some of the reasons why someone might consider the Bushmaster over the ArmaLite. |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 4:38:53 PM EDT
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The Bushmasters seem to be running well too, if that might be a consideration.
A friend reciently handed me an FAL and said I could give him what ever its worth in return. I cleaned it and shouldered it a couple times and decided to wait. Return it with an acknolegement of his courtesy and save for, probably, a bashmaster. My take on them is favorable. Car or rifle remains a delima. |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 4:46:17 PM EDT
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I had the same question, but decided on the 16" carbine. My concerns were: - Accuracy (experiencing sub-MOA with the 16", so no problem) - Muzzle flash (with the Vortex mounted, there is absolutely no - ZERO - muzzle falsh - kinda spooky, really) - Recoil (not a problem with the 16") Bottom line - no regrets with the 16". And yes, it does run very well. |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 4:47:05 PM EDT
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Further, for less money and with more features you can get the Armalite with chrome lined bore and chamber and LIFETIME WARRANTY.... Does any Bushmaster offer a lifetime warranty? |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 4:51:36 PM EDT
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daewoodog & dogderam may have other information. |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 5:00:57 PM EDT
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Yes, when purchased through Davidson's Gallery of Guns. Check out their Guaranteed Lifetime Replacement Warranty HERE |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 5:05:34 PM EDT
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Nice. That's $815 more than the Eagle Arms.  Oh wait.....my bad $1733.99 near me...... |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 5:08:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/15/2004 5:14:21 PM EDT
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Wake up troll.......mags have been $39 for at least two or three weeks. BTW, YOUR arbitrary needs/wants are irrelevant to me and most other users. In fact many folks have M14/M1a mags around already, as well as AR10 mags from existing or previous rifles.
Point? What is on your 3 rail block?  Useful option for .01% of the people who buy the rifle, right? Free float rail system will be $300 for the Bushmaster when they become available, putting the price over $2000 just for the rifle......
Oh, I see.....but really not a "no cost option" as it costs you plenty in the way of $1700+. |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 5:15:31 PM EDT
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Let me do the math: Bushmaster gun $1733.99 (even though that's about $230 more than I paid for mine) 20 mags at $9 each $180 Free Float tube $300 (Because you don't want to hang anything from the 3-rail gas block) TOTAL for the Bushmaster - $2213.99 ArmaLite gun $995 (assuming you can get an Eagle Arms carbine for this price based on prior posts) 20 mags a $39 each $780 (Price quote from SHIVAN) Free Float tube $300 (see rationale above) TOTAL for ArmaLite - $2075 At worst, I call it a wash. ETA: OK, call it $39/AR-10 mag. Still less than $150 difference (pricing in favor of the Bushmaster if you use $1500 for the gun which is wht I paid) and my Bushmaster has a Lifetime Warranty where the Eagle Arms does NOT. Do this comparison with an ArmaLite AR-10 WITH a lifetime warranty and the ArmaLite gets a LOT more expensive. |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 5:17:56 PM EDT
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You should stick to trolling. Neither math nor internet surfing are your forte.....it's been WEEKS since the price of mags went down to $39. For those of us who were smart enough to work AHEAD of the ban we have $20 shells and build up kits that make for $25 mags..... www.armalite.com/sales/catalog/components/magazines.htm Months or years old quotes mean nothing....... |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 7:42:07 PM EDT
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Your Bushmaster has a ONE year warranty. WTF do you get that it has a lifetime warranty? You better go check out the Bushmaster website.
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/pcwa2l30820iz.asp Why do want to tell an outright lie such as this? It has a ONE year warranty like the Eagle Arms, not a lifetime warranty like the ArmaLite. You just proved that you have been trolling all along and this really sheds a new, not so positive, light upon your glowing revues. You also forgot to mention the LACK of a chrome lined barrel, again like the Eagle Arms AR10, not the ArmaLite. |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 8:11:24 PM EDT
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The Gimmick to which Gadget refers:
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Posted: 10/16/2004 5:47:47 AM EDT
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1) Some of us don't buy into that whole AR stands for armalite bullshit 2) It was my money that bought my Bushmasters, and approval from the armalite crowd is not required |
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Posted: 10/16/2004 9:18:30 AM EDT
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I got the same tired shit from the AR nazis when I asked questions about the DPMS 308.
"it's not an armalite so it sucks...blah, blah, blah." One of my first few posts was trashed by 5Subslr and his groupies, and I decided NOT to buy a SEBR AR10 because of it. I'm glad I avoided THAT debacle! I was hoping the AR variants forum wouldn't be prone to the same bashing, because this forum exists to discuss rifles OTHER THAN ARMALITE. Want some advice about buying a 308 AR type rifle? Pick up a rifle, see how it fits/works/feels. Like it? Inside your price range? Have the options you want? Good reputation for quality? Good customer service? How does it compare to similar offerings from other manufacturers? Go to the counter and pay for your purchase. Armalite is a great company that fit the bill on everything I was looking for EXCEPT initial price. This is why I have a DPMS 308. I happen to love mine, even if it doesn't have chrome lined barrel, lifetime warranty, ect, because it does what I want it to do and the price was right. For those who don't know the players in our little drama here, Shivan and Gaijin have been bickering for a long time about this topic. As a sideline spectator, I personally believe BOTH have been guilty of trolling this topic and I would like to see EVERYONE involved to GROW UP AND QUIT BASHING. We all have opinions about everything and this argument is getting tiresome. flame away ETA: Just realized that this topic was started on the AR10 forum instead of the variant forum, so now I understand why there's a lot of friction---but I still stand by my original post. Play nice, take it somewhere private or STFU |
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Posted: 10/16/2004 10:02:57 AM EDT
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Maybe next week we can debate Ford vs Chevy, or for those of us in a higher pay grade, Audi vs BMW...
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Posted: 10/16/2004 2:40:27 PM EDT
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 I believe I don't give a shiite what you believe...... 
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Posted: 10/16/2004 4:40:41 PM EDT
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The only advantage that I see with what you posted is the 1,000 yard BUIS but this is really not a serious advantage in my book. I say that because for one I don't have access to a place to shoot that far and two, a 20 inch barreled .308 is pushing it for 1K. I'm not left handed so all the ambi stuff is not that important to me. As a matter of fact I prefer the mag release on the AR as it is. Also the three rail gas block may be important to some but if I ever "need" to change my gas block to a three railed one then I will but it won't cost me $500 to do it. And also I won't hang anything off of my barrel, that's what I use a free flaot tube for. The ACE stock, I hate it! I would never put one any AR. Now maybe if it came with a Magpul... But to each his own. The Bushy .308 may fill the bill for some people as it is but in it's current configuration I would not get one. As a matter of fact, I'm disappointed with Bushy's final product. The Bushy does not offer any advantage of the Armalite AR-10 except for the use of cheap mags. But like it was said before, the high price of the Bushy offsets this advantage and it really should be compared to the Eagle line and when you do that there is no advantage because of the price difference. I'm glad you guys like your rifles but I'm not even thinkng about getting one. I really wanted Bushy to produce this rifle so it could offer some competition toArmalite. Plus I really liked the idea of it being able to use cheap mags. Also I took a hard look at DPMS .308 but I don't like the fact that it is not "true" to the AR form. I'm still looking for some one to come out with a good alternative. Right now, the way I see it there are only two players in this game.....KAC and Armalite. |
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Posted: 10/16/2004 6:45:00 PM EDT
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I dont see what all this shit is about. I love my armalite, and other guys love their Bushmasters and their DPMS. To each his own.
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Posted: 10/16/2004 7:01:23 PM EDT
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1. Who cares what you think AR stands for. Whether you buy into it or not, whether you believe it or not, the fact is that AR stands for ArmaLite. Just out of curiosity, what do you think AR stands for? 2. It is not a matter of approval or disapproval, it is just a matter of paying MORE for LESS. |
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Posted: 10/16/2004 7:07:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/16/2004 7:09:16 PM EDT
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Well, based on that, I can get an Eagle Arms AR10 with a lifetime warranty, as my dealer gives a lifetime warranty on anything they sell, including used guns. So again, it still compares more to the Eagle, for about $500 more.
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Posted: 10/16/2004 7:11:25 PM EDT
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You are correct. However, there is a certain member that loves to take pot shots at the AR10 and it's owners every time the subject of the AR10 or the BM 308 comes up. He always has to be condescending and has now started make up bullshit as he goes. |
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Posted: 10/16/2004 7:15:01 PM EDT
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So far, you are the only one who has reported that the FAL mags work with no problems. It will take more than your word (which is not worth much anyway) to prove that they work. Besides, the AR10 20 round BRAND NEW mags are only $39 now, while you $9 mags are, at best, hit or miss on good ones. |
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Posted: 10/16/2004 7:17:41 PM EDT
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No, it did not used to be that way. It was an AR10 & AR180" board, period! Just because you trolled it constantly did not make it an "AR10 style rifle" board. Who wants to play with someone who is completely full of shit, as you are and you are getting worse. |
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Posted: 10/16/2004 7:24:08 PM EDT
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Well thats just sad. Poor guy should be happy he has a rifle he likes, and move on with his life. |
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Posted: 10/16/2004 10:12:42 PM EDT
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He isn't the only one with no problems. I have never had ANY problems with over 20 mags now - inch, metric and 30rd. Bren 7.62 mags. I still can't understand the war over the two rifles. In my book both are great rifles. -1 |
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Posted: 10/17/2004 5:04:53 AM EDT
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Just because you don't agree with a statement, doesn't mean it is made up. Please point to one, just one, instance where what I have said is not true. You obviously don't read very well, otherwise you would have understood my pint about MY BAR-10 having a Lifetime Warranty through Davidson's. Your lack of understanding did not stop you, however, from making an unjustified personal attack. It's a typical strategy for those who are dealing from a position of weakness - if you can't attack the point, attack the individual making the point. I have just as much right to make my points here - and elsewhere - as anyone else. If you do not agree with my points, well, suck it up, buttercup! Have a nice day - no, seriously! |
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Posted: 10/17/2004 5:28:57 AM EDT
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I'm glad we understand each other. This is exactly how I feel about your position (and Gaijin's) on this topic. I have gotten some good advice from you in the past, and hope to continue friendly conversations and picking your grey matter on all black rifle topics in the future. I'm only being critical of the way you to go after each other like kids on a playground. 'nuff said. Have a beer on me!  |
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Posted: 10/17/2004 5:39:36 AM EDT
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Larry, of course I'm in position for this! I'm right here in front of my computer with the safety of my armchair and the anonymity of the internet! In a rude, drunken, internet commando kind of way, I asked the major players in this little drama to quit the childish game. To any and all whom I have offended with my rudeness, I humbly apologize. For being an internet commando, I shall NEVER apologize, for I am SUPREME OVERLORD AND MASTER OF MY DOMAIN! For being drunk...well, I already had a 'talking to' from my wife, and she scares me a lot more than you do. (BTW, I happen to agree with the rest of your additions to my post) Join me in some Hair of the Dog?
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Posted: 10/17/2004 10:33:49 AM EDT
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FWIW, since YOU want to change the criteria of the comparison's: My gear: ArmaLite AR-10A4 - $1150 Fifteen 20rd mags - $252 Thirteen 10rd mags - $124 Working 6pos stock - $120 GG&G 20MOA base - $90 Badger rings - $130 Leupold M3LR - $650 KAC Trigger - $205 Total - $2721 Chromelined bore & chamber and manufacturer's lifetime warranty --- priceless!!! To get an idea of a complete Bushmaster rifle price, let's post what each of our Bushmaster .308 owners have in theirs...... |
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Posted: 10/17/2004 10:48:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/17/2004 10:51:27 AM EDT
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As stated, I can get a lifetime warranty on an Eagle as well (for $500 to $700 less), so all your points (not pints) are still null and void. You troll every fucking AR10 thread, period. You don't make points, you just troll. Not everyone gets their rifles through Davison's, and that invalidates the rest of your bullshit. As for lies, you were purposely misquoting mag prices from ArmaLite, knowing they had changed them. I also believe that some of your so-called "problems" with the AR10 were user induced, if true at all. |
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