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Posted: 10/6/2004 11:22:37 AM EDT

Wondering what size the trigger group pin holes are on the Olympic Arms lowers, and also FN contract lowers. Thanks

Posted: 10/6/2004 12:11:36 PM EDT

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small, the only company who uses big pins is colt, they are dumbasses

Posted: 10/6/2004 1:30:52 PM EDT

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small, the only company who uses big pins is colt, they are dumbasses

And Colt only uses them on their civilian pieces; not the military cantract stuff.

Posted: 10/6/2004 6:17:43 PM EDT

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Small for you.

Only Colt used those large pins in their semiautos; another of their attempts to suck up to the people who intend to destroy them.

Posted: 10/6/2004 6:21:49 PM EDT

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small, the only company who uses big pins is colt, they are dumbasses

Just so you know, Colt has been trying for years to change back to the standard pin size, but ATF wouldn't allow them.

Posted: 10/6/2004 6:47:03 PM EDT

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Wondering what size the trigger group pin holes are on the Olympic Arms lowers, and also FN contract lowers. Thanks

FN contract lower receiver for an AR15?

Someone is pulling your leg.

Where are you supposed to be getting an FN contract lower receiver from.
FN only makes new M16 lower receivers for the US Government that are assembled into FN M16s, they do not make AR15 lower receivers.

Posted: 10/6/2004 6:49:01 PM EDT

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small, the only company who uses big pins is colt, they are dumbasses

Just so you know, Colt has been trying for years to change back to the standard pin size, but ATF wouldn't allow them.

Why is that?

Posted: 10/6/2004 6:50:40 PM EDT

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Just so you know, Colt has been trying for years to change back to the standard pin size, but ATF wouldn't allow them.

Whaaaat?

I'm calling BS on that. Colt can make whatever pin size they want. They only CHOOSE to make a nonstandard pin size.

Posted: 10/6/2004 6:56:56 PM EDT

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Just so you know, Colt has been trying for years to change back to the standard pin size, but ATF wouldn't allow them.

Whaaaat?

I'm calling BS on that. Colt can make whatever pin size they want. They only CHOOSE to make a nonstandard pin size.

Well, this information came from a Colt marketing employee who frequents the 1911forumboard. Call Colt and ask for a guy named Mark, he can explain it better than I.

Posted: 10/6/2004 7:11:24 PM EDT

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Just so you know, Colt has been trying for years to change back to the standard pin size, but ATF wouldn't allow them.

Whaaaat?

I'm calling BS on that. Colt can make whatever pin size they want. They only CHOOSE to make a nonstandard pin size.

Well, this information came from a Colt marketing employee who frequents the 1911forumboard. Call Colt and ask for a guy named Mark, he can explain it better than I.

Dark, I'm not trying to flame you, but it is common knowledge that Colt does it to be PC. The larger pin size was never required by the BATF. Try to find a reference to this on the BATF site regs. It doesn't exist. Someone is pulling your tit. Why do you think RRA, BM, OLY, Armalite etc, etc would not have to comply also? This is pure BS. (again, nothing against you, just bad info).

Posted: 10/6/2004 7:11:40 PM EDT

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The others are correct; it is only Colt who cares enough about their consumer to use super-strong increased-diameter pins. Those other skinny, weak pins will break before the extra-strength Colt pins.

Posted: 10/6/2004 7:13:59 PM EDT

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The others are correct; it is only Colt who cares enough about their consumer to use super-strong increased-diameter pins. Those other skinny, weak pins will break before the extra-strength Colt pins.

I love a good sense of humor

Posted: 10/6/2004 7:14:22 PM EDT

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small, the only company who uses big pins is colt, they are dumbasses

Just so you know, Colt has been trying for years to change back to the standard pin size, but ATF wouldn't allow them.

ATF has no say over what size pins Colt uses. All the other companies use 'standard' size pins - even Bushmaster who produces more commercial ARs than Colt.

Posted: 10/6/2004 7:16:20 PM EDT

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Dark, I'm not trying to flame you, but it is common knowledge that Colt does it to be PC. The larger pin size was never required by the BATF. Try to find a reference to this on the BATF site regs. It doesn't exist. Someone is pulling your tit. Why do you think RRA, BM, OLY, Armalite etc, etc would not have to comply also? This is pure BS. (again, nothing against you, just bad info).

well, I figured if it came from Colt it must be true

I heard this a long time ago so I don't remember most of the details, If I ever find the reference I will post it here.

Posted: 10/6/2004 7:17:03 PM EDT

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The others are correct; it is only Colt who cares enough about their consumer to use super-strong increased-diameter pins. Those other skinny, weak pins will break before the extra-strength Colt pins.

Have many of the small diameter pins broke? If so, I'd like to read the reports of it if you have links.

Posted: 10/6/2004 7:17:47 PM EDT

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The others are correct; it is only Colt who cares enough about their consumer to use super-strong increased-diameter pins. Those other skinny, weak pins will break before the extra-strength Colt pins.

Have many of the small diameter pins broke? If so, I'd like to read the reports of it if you have links.

He was joking

Posted: 10/6/2004 7:18:03 PM EDT

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The others are correct; it is only Colt who cares enough about their consumer to use super-strong increased-diameter pins. Those other skinny, weak pins will break before the extra-strength Colt pins.

Have many of the small diameter pins broke? If so, I'd like to read the reports of it if you have links.

He is teasing.

Posted: 10/6/2004 7:27:08 PM EDT

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Dark, I'm not trying to flame you, but it is common knowledge that Colt does it to be PC. The larger pin size was never required by the BATF. Try to find a reference to this on the BATF site regs. It doesn't exist. Someone is pulling your tit. Why do you think RRA, BM, OLY, Armalite etc, etc would not have to comply also? This is pure BS. (again, nothing against you, just bad info).

well, I figured if it came from Colt it must be true I heard this a long time ago so I don't remember most of the details, If I ever find the reference I will post it here.

Dark, some guy on the 1911 forum who claims to be "Colt marketing" is not "Colt". Colt does not post official company policy on internet forums, I can assure you. There are all kinds of people out there who make all manner of claims. Just call (1-800-962-2658) Colt Manufacturing and see what they say, if you want to get the real skinny.

Or write them a letter:

COLT'S MANUFACTURING COMPANY LLC
Customer Service Department
P.O. Box 1868
Hartford, CT,
06144-1868, U.S.A.

Posted: 10/6/2004 7:32:19 PM EDT

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Dark, some guy on the 1911 forum who claims to be "Colt marketing" is not "Colt". Colt does not post official company policy on internet forums, I can assure you. There are all kinds of people out there who make all manner of claims. Just call (1-800-962-2658) Colt Manufacturing and see what they say, if you want to get the real skinny.

I understand what you're saying, but I have every reason to believe that he really works for Colt rather than a poser on internet forum. Unless this 1-800-962-2658 number is bogus and the person I spoke too wasn't really from Colt

Posted: 10/6/2004 7:36:40 PM EDT

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Dark, some guy on the 1911 forum who claims to be "Colt marketing" is not "Colt". Colt does not post official company policy on internet forums, I can assure you. There are all kinds of people out there who make all manner of claims. Just call (1-800-962-2658) Colt Manufacturing and see what they say, if you want to get the real skinny.

I understand what you're saying, but I have every reason to believe that he really works for Colt rather than a poser on internet forum. Unless this 1-800-962-2658 number is bogus and the person I spoke too wasn't really from Colt

That number is from Colt.com as is the address.

But just think about it, why the heck would the BATF mandate that Colt and only Colt would have to have a non-standard takedown pin size. It's not even believable.

Posted: 10/6/2004 7:45:59 PM EDT

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But just think about it, why the heck would the BATF mandate that Colt and only Colt would have to have a non-standard takedown pin size. It's not even believable.

My guess is that maybe it's because Colt is a military contractor? I mean why can't FN make and sell semi auto lowers to the general public.

Posted: 10/6/2004 7:48:22 PM EDT

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But just think about it, why the heck would the BATF mandate that Colt and only Colt would have to have a non-standard takedown pin size. It's not even believable.

My guess is that maybe it's because Colt is a military contractor? I mean why can't FN make and sell semi auto lowers to the general public.

FN is forbidden to sell rifles or parts due to its military contract.

Posted: 10/6/2004 7:56:40 PM EDT

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But just think about it, why the heck would the BATF mandate that Colt and only Colt would have to have a non-standard takedown pin size. It's not even believable.

My guess is that maybe it's because Colt is a military contractor? I mean why can't FN make and sell semi auto lowers to the general public.

FN is forbidden to sell rifles or parts due to its military contract.

Maybe Colt is forbidden to sell semi auto rifles with mil-spec pins? Could it be in the contract for the M4s?
BTW, I know what "Mark" he is talking about. And he does work for Colt. That doesn't mean he is not a lier though

I e-mailed him about Colt's position on civillian sales of LEO rifles. No reply....

Posted: 10/6/2004 8:09:37 PM EDT

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That doesn't mean he is not a lier though

Is there a reason that would make you think that way? I thought he's a pretty stand up guy and provided many insights from Colt in terms of 1911s, and I haven't read anything he said that wasn't true.

I e-mailed him about Colt's position on civillian sales of LEO rifles. No reply....

His new position requires him to be almost always on business trip (marketing). From what I understand he's rarely in his office at Colt.

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