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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:22:55 PM EST
I am taking my red dot off one of my rifles and want to run irons only. Should I keep the diamondhead BUIS as my main sights or get some fixed ones llike DD iron sights? I am tempted to get some fixed ones since I don't plan on putting optics on this rifle. What do you all think?
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 3:24:09 PM EST
I'm a fan of irons only. IMO, go fixed. I'm a big fan of the DD fixed sights.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 3:30:23 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 3:33:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bigbore:



If BUIS, emphasis on BU, keep the flip sights. If primary, used fixed.
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Originally Posted By GreenPlease:
I'm a fan of irons only. IMO, go fixed. I'm a big fan of the DD fixed sights.



If BUIS, emphasis on BU, keep the flip sights. If primary, used fixed.
+1 get fixed for primary sights.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 4:13:48 PM EST
I love irons. A good set is fantastic even over varying distances.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 4:23:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/23/2013 4:28:39 PM EST by ILikeFtLbs]
I have not tried Diamondheads, but I have one rifle with the Daniel Defense A1.5 on it. It's a very nice sight and very simple. As I understand it, the apertures are not same plain. Some people prefer it this way or the other. I cannot confirm this though. My opinion is that if the sights you have are good and reliable, leave it alone but if you want the DD setup it's a good one. I chose it for the same reasons you mentioned.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 4:31:46 PM EST
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You know the LMT sight is pretty nice, I use one of those and also have the carry handle on another carbine.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 5:31:34 PM EST
I will go fixed DD most likely they look nice and simple. I have shot through holographic, red dot sights, and scopes and I keep finding myself coming back to my a4 build with irons only. I hit just as well with that as I do with red dots so why not shoot through what I enjoy. Thanks for the opinions.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 5:40:10 PM EST
My carbine has the Colt carry handle and the LMT removable front sight.

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Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:06:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AR-180:
I love irons. A good set is fantastic even over varying distances.
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Me too.

A .052" ball tip front sight and Diamondhead premium rear sight work for me out over 100 yards.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 9:00:34 PM EST
Iron site only here. Troy flip up on the rear std fixed site in front
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 9:55:24 PM EST
Well common sense would say that a fixed sight is more inclined to hold it's zero. No matter how tight something is if it has the ability to move it will. With a sight even a small movement will throw off your zero.
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 3:05:39 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GreenPlease:
I'm a fan of irons only. IMO, go fixed. I'm a big fan of the DD fixed sights.
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Me too. Daniel Defense makes high quality products and their detachable iron sights are no exception. If you are careful in how you tighten them, they return to zero just fine. - CW

https://danieldefense.com/components-parts/fixed-front-rear-sight-combo.html
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 6:36:47 AM EST
My advice would to just take the optic off, and keep the BUIS you currently have. Leard thr proper holdover for various ranges and become proficient with irons. Then put the opitc back on because you would only be losing an advantage by going irons only.

IMOYMMV etc...

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Link Posted: 7/24/2013 9:43:44 AM EST
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Originally Posted By LA_357SIG:
My advice would to just take the optic off, and keep the BUIS you currently have. Leard thr proper holdover for various ranges and become proficient with irons. Then put the opitc back on because you would only be losing an advantage by going irons only.

IMOYMMV etc...

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It is impossible to argue with this logic.
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 9:53:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
+1 get fixed for primary sights.
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Originally Posted By bigbore:
Originally Posted By GreenPlease:
I'm a fan of irons only. IMO, go fixed. I'm a big fan of the DD fixed sights.



If BUIS, emphasis on BU, keep the flip sights. If primary, used fixed.
+1 get fixed for primary sights.


+2 and pic of rifle please!
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 10:05:23 AM EST
Keep the diamondhead......you will change your mind again, why waste money
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 10:06:22 AM EST
I'd go one step further and say if you are an iron sight only / mostly shooter like myself, get an A1 / C7 / A2 upper. If you MUST go flat top, then get either the DD or LMT depending on what you're looking for.
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 11:38:52 AM EST
It is hard to go wrong with irons and a 50 yard zero. If you can do the RBZO with LMT's cut down rear sight that would be a good set up. My LMT came with a carry handle. I'm assuming you can but I've never handled one.

Or like others said, learn your holdovers past 225 yards or so.
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 12:50:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Iron site only here. Troy flip up on the rear std fixed site in front
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This is how I run my 14.7 middy, it works, and works well. The Troy rear BUIS is durable and light considering. I love it...
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 1:41:22 PM EST
All irons here too.. I run a BCM handle and an A2 on both my rifles. That's a his and hers by the way..
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 1:54:52 PM EST
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+2 and pic of rifle please!
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Originally Posted By bigbore:
Originally Posted By GreenPlease:
I'm a fan of irons only. IMO, go fixed. I'm a big fan of the DD fixed sights.



If BUIS, emphasis on BU, keep the flip sights. If primary, used fixed.
+1 get fixed for primary sights.


+2 and pic of rifle please!

+3! I learned to first shot using irons only. My instructor drilled it into me! He says anything other than iron sights is cheating and the easy way out .....
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 1:56:26 PM EST
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+3! I learned to first shot using irons only. My instructor drilled it into me! He says anything other than iron sights is cheating and the easy way out .....
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Originally Posted By bigbore:
Originally Posted By GreenPlease:
I'm a fan of irons only. IMO, go fixed. I'm a big fan of the DD fixed sights.



If BUIS, emphasis on BU, keep the flip sights. If primary, used fixed.
+1 get fixed for primary sights.


+2 and pic of rifle please!

+3! I learned to first shot using irons only. My instructor drilled it into me! He says anything other than iron sights is cheating and the easy way out .....

P.S. We still both also use red dot optics.........
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 4:29:18 PM EST
I shoot irons on one of my ARs. I just seem to like them better. I don't know. I may take them off and buy the DD and keep the flip ups if I ever go back or for when I inevitably by another rifle.
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 4:36:34 PM EST
I love the challenge of iron sites. For target shooting I find it to be much more fun. There is also something slick about the way a rifle looks without optics. That being said outside of the range my rifle is currently wearing an SRS or eotech depending on what I'm feeling at the time.
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 4:40:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By drop11:
I love the challenge of iron sites. For target shooting I find it to be much more fun. There is also something slick about the way a rifle looks without optics. That being said outside of the range my rifle is currently wearing an SRS or eotech depending on what I'm feeling at the time.
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I find it more challenging as well. I shot my my M1A and FAL irons only. They saw way more use than any other semi auto rifle I have had until prices went crazy. Now I have a ton of 223/556 and load more so I was gonna start going to the range with my ARs, hence why I want to strip this one down to the irons only.
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 4:55:36 PM EST
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But, when a time comes to use your AR, do you want a challenge, or a increased chance of survival stemming from an optional piece of equipment that gives you an advantage?

In a nutshell: the guy with the red dot will most probably down the guy with irons and the guy with the magnified optic will down the guy with the red dot from farther away. Until we can legally own tanks, take all the advantages you can, now.

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Link Posted: 7/24/2013 6:23:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By LA_357SIG:

In a nutshell: the guy with the red dot will most probably down the guy with irons and the guy with the magnified optic will down the guy with the red dot from farther away. Until we can legally own tanks, take all the advantages you can, now.

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That's utter rubbish and total mall ninja thinking. The man with the higher tech equipment wins? Who puts out such garbage? Cheap dime store tactical mail order catalog companies?

First of all, optics are by far the end all be all, esp the battery powered ones. Doesn't take much to fuck up an optic, cold weather kills batteries, etc. I'd put my money on Fud and his familiar lever gun than some mall ninja with an AR15 and his uber red dot scope.

Link Posted: 7/24/2013 6:32:26 PM EST
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That's utter rubbish and total mall ninja thinking. The man with the higher tech equipment wins? Who puts out such garbage? Cheap dime store tactical mail order catalog companies?

First of all, optics are by far the end all be all, esp the battery powered ones. Doesn't take much to fuck up an optic, cold weather kills batteries, etc. I'd put my money on Fud and his familiar lever gun than some mall ninja with an AR15 and his uber red dot scope.

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Originally Posted By LA_357SIG:

In a nutshell: the guy with the red dot will most probably down the guy with irons and the guy with the magnified optic will down the guy with the red dot from farther away. Until we can legally own tanks, take all the advantages you can, now.

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That's utter rubbish and total mall ninja thinking. The man with the higher tech equipment wins? Who puts out such garbage? Cheap dime store tactical mail order catalog companies?

First of all, optics are by far the end all be all, esp the battery powered ones. Doesn't take much to fuck up an optic, cold weather kills batteries, etc. I'd put my money on Fud and his familiar lever gun than some mall ninja with an AR15 and his uber red dot scope.


Training should be already implied. But generally, the faster one on target wins.
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 8:49:22 PM EST
Irons are pretty damn fast under 100 yds
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