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Posted: 10/26/2006 5:19:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2006 5:51:13 AM EST by chapperjoe]
I'm getting a vltor VIS midlength upper with 18 inch midlength WOA SPR barrel.

I'm trying to decide between a tripower (350 smaplelist) and 3x aimpoint magnifier (375 EE) and related mounts (I can get two for 70 - don't ask). so that's about 800$.......

or a tao1nsn from the samplelist for 659.99.....

(also flirting with the idea of a eotech 553)

what say you.....

Link Posted: 10/26/2006 7:30:42 AM EST
since its for medium to Long range upper

I would pass on the Eotechs or Aimpoints


I would get a Leupold or something along those lines


BTW

I like those uppers
Link Posted: 10/26/2006 8:10:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By FMJ:
since its for medium to Long range upper

I would pass on the Eotechs or Aimpoints


I would get a Leupold or something along those lines


BTW

I like those uppers


its more an all in one. since I'm getting an expensive handgun, I'm building an all in one rifle.
Link Posted: 10/26/2006 8:49:31 AM EST
If its an all in one get a Meopta Meostar. I dont see an 18" barrel as anything but a long range weapon personally.
Link Posted: 10/26/2006 8:52:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By DevL:
If its an all in one get a Meopta Meostar. I dont see an 18" barrel as anything but a long range weapon personally.


with a collapsible stock it ain't bad, but I agree. I jsut think 18 is a better all in one than 16....

meostar huh?
Link Posted: 10/26/2006 12:42:36 PM EST
You have several choices:

Meopta Meostar 1-4X K Dot and 1.5-5X

Leupold CQ/T, MRT 4 1.5-5X, VX-III 1.5-5X Illuminated, VX-II 1-4X

Weaver K1-3X

IOR CRT 1.1-4X

That should cover you from $150 to $800.
Link Posted: 10/26/2006 3:15:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By JER:
You have several choices:

Meopta Meostar 1-4X K Dot and 1.5-5X

Leupold CQ/T, MRT 4 1.5-5X, VX-III 1.5-5X Illuminated, VX-II 1-4X

Weaver K1-3X

IOR CRT 1.1-4X

That should cover you from $150 to $800.


the meopta covers teh target when illuminated and I can't use those.

the variables that don't go down to true 1x do not interest me and the CQ/T doesn't interest me cause if i get a 1-to-something variable it's going higher than 3x.

I've never seen teh weaver.

I've had a few IOR1.1-4's as a 3x or 4x scope she's nice, but not CLOSE to 1x (mine seemed more liek 1.5 than 1.1) and a bit heavy and large for me.

the only variable I'd consider is the elcan but now that they've already come out with a newer model (takes jpoints and has dual side buis to accomodeate the site) why would I want an 'older' version...... plus its really expensive!

Link Posted: 10/26/2006 5:15:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:

Originally Posted By JER:
You have several choices:

Meopta Meostar 1-4X K Dot and 1.5-5X

Leupold CQ/T, MRT 4 1.5-5X, VX-III 1.5-5X Illuminated, VX-II 1-4X

Weaver K1-3X

IOR CRT 1.1-4X

That should cover you from $150 to $800.


the meopta covers teh target when illuminated and I can't use those.

the variables that don't go down to true 1x do not interest me and the CQ/T doesn't interest me cause if i get a 1-to-something variable it's going higher than 3x.

I've never seen teh weaver.

I've had a few IOR1.1-4's as a 3x or 4x scope she's nice, but not CLOSE to 1x (mine seemed more liek 1.5 than 1.1) and a bit heavy and large for me.

the only variable I'd consider is the elcan but now that they've already come out with a newer model (takes jpoints and has dual side buis to accomodeate the site) why would I want an 'older' version...... plus its really expensive!


Good luck find what you want. You're going to need it.
Link Posted: 10/27/2006 1:35:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By JER:

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:

Originally Posted By JER:
You have several choices:

Meopta Meostar 1-4X K Dot and 1.5-5X

Leupold CQ/T, MRT 4 1.5-5X, VX-III 1.5-5X Illuminated, VX-II 1-4X

Weaver K1-3X

IOR CRT 1.1-4X

That should cover you from $150 to $800.


the meopta covers teh target when illuminated and I can't use those.

the variables that don't go down to true 1x do not interest me and the CQ/T doesn't interest me cause if i get a 1-to-something variable it's going higher than 3x.

I've never seen teh weaver.

I've had a few IOR1.1-4's as a 3x or 4x scope she's nice, but not CLOSE to 1x (mine seemed more liek 1.5 than 1.1) and a bit heavy and large for me.

the only variable I'd consider is the elcan but now that they've already come out with a newer model (takes jpoints and has dual side buis to accomodeate the site) why would I want an 'older' version...... plus its really expensive!


Good luck find what you want. You're going to need it.


yeah I'm like that.

my aimpoint magnifier seller just lowered his price to 355 shipped, so I'm set on that. getting the tripower from swfa from 349. two fake arms mounts from from teh EE (used them before, without problem and repeat zero fine).....puts me at 770. expensive, but my favrote combo.

Link Posted: 10/27/2006 4:45:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By DevL:
If its an all in one get a Meopta Meostar. I dont see an 18" barrel as anything but a long range weapon personally.


AGREE about the LR weapon

I would still get a Leupold or I.O.R Tactical model

Take advantage of the 18 inch barrel



Link Posted: 10/27/2006 4:46:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2006 4:47:23 AM EST by FMJ]
Brain fart



Link Posted: 10/27/2006 7:01:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:

Originally Posted By DevL:
If its an all in one get a Meopta Meostar. I dont see an 18" barrel as anything but a long range weapon personally.


with a collapsible stock it ain't bad, but I agree. I jsut think 18 is a better all in one than 16....

meostar huh?


Just my personal opinion, but I feel that a good 16" barrel will do everything an 18" can, and conversely, if you're going for an 18", you might as well get a 20".

Just my two cents.

By the way, have a good Shabbos.

Justin
Link Posted: 10/27/2006 2:06:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:


the variables that don't go down to true 1x do not interest me and the CQ/T doesn't interest me cause if i get a 1-to-something variable it's going higher than 3x.



You might want to try it before you dismiss the CQ/T. As an accual 1X it runs just like an AimPoint or Eo-Tech. I know, I ran a red dot pistol in IPSC for more than 10 years. I used my CQ/T equiped rifle this week in an indoor three gun match and it shoots with the AimPoints just fine.

As for the upper end, if you can't hit it with a three power then you're not going to hit it with a five power either. Also, a CQ/T at three power has far better light gathering and clarity than an AimPoint with a 3X magnifier. It also costs less.

If you're in the NOVA area come into Gilbert Small Arms Range on Monday night, from 7:00 til 9:00PM. We're having out first Black Rifle night and there will be many guns here to check out with most of the popular accessories installed.

Tim
Link Posted: 10/27/2006 3:59:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2006 4:03:00 PM EST by DevL]

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:

Originally Posted By JER:
You have several choices:

Meopta Meostar 1-4X K Dot and 1.5-5X

Leupold CQ/T, MRT 4 1.5-5X, VX-III 1.5-5X Illuminated, VX-II 1-4X

Weaver K1-3X

IOR CRT 1.1-4X

That should cover you from $150 to $800.


the meopta covers teh target when illuminated and I can't use those.

the variables that don't go down to true 1x do not interest me and the CQ/T doesn't interest me cause if i get a 1-to-something variable it's going higher than 3x.

I've never seen teh weaver.

I've had a few IOR1.1-4's as a 3x or 4x scope she's nice, but not CLOSE to 1x (mine seemed more liek 1.5 than 1.1) and a bit heavy and large for me.

the only variable I'd consider is the elcan but now that they've already come out with a newer model (takes jpoints and has dual side buis to accomodeate the site) why would I want an 'older' version...... plus its really expensive!



What do you mean Meoptas cover the target when illuminated? It covers the same amount when not illuminated... You mean with a 2 MOA dot? Its smaller than a human head at all possible ranges. Is this meant to shoot squirels at 200 yards? If so you need a different optic with 10X magnification.

Your reasoning makes absoloutely no sense from someone who has used the scope.

If you give us your criteria for use we can point you to the appropriate optic.
Link Posted: 10/28/2006 2:49:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By EvilBert:

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:


the variables that don't go down to true 1x do not interest me and the CQ/T doesn't interest me cause if i get a 1-to-something variable it's going higher than 3x.



You might want to try it before you dismiss the CQ/T. As an accual 1X it runs just like an AimPoint or Eo-Tech. I know, I ran a red dot pistol in IPSC for more than 10 years. I used my CQ/T equiped rifle this week in an indoor three gun match and it shoots with the AimPoints just fine.

As for the upper end, if you can't hit it with a three power then you're not going to hit it with a five power either. Also, a CQ/T at three power has far better light gathering and clarity than an AimPoint with a 3X magnifier. It also costs less.

If you're in the NOVA area come into Gilbert Small Arms Range on Monday night, from 7:00 til 9:00PM. We're having out first Black Rifle night and there will be many guns here to check out with most of the popular accessories installed.

Tim


jeez I actually have time for that..... hmmmm
Link Posted: 10/28/2006 2:51:36 PM EST


What do you mean Meoptas cover the target when illuminated? It covers the same amount when not illuminated... You mean with a 2 MOA dot? Its smaller than a human head at all possible ranges. Is this meant to shoot squirels at 200 yards? If so you need a different optic with 10X magnification.

Your reasoning makes absoloutely no sense from someone who has used the scope.

If you give us your criteria for use we can point you to the appropriate optic.


I cannot use a scope that has a reticle that covers the target. that includes 1moa eotechs, mil dots with crosshairs, crosshairs, etc. messes with my eyes. illumination makes it fifty times worse. doesn't matter how sharp the dot actually is, it will 'star' with astigmatism as bad as mine.

that's why I like tripowers at 1 or 3x, or dragunov reticles, etc....
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 9:04:38 PM EST
There is the Trijicon Accupont TR21R. 1.25X4 IIRC. BAC etc, nice optic. If you are paranoid about CQC, just get a LaRue mount (which you should do anyways) and mount a PF or JPoint as well.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 3:36:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By chewbacca:
There is the Trijicon Accupont TR21R. 1.25X4 IIRC. BAC etc, nice optic. If you are paranoid about CQC, just get a LaRue mount (which you should do anyways) and mount a PF or JPoint as well.


had the accupoint. nice, but I kept it at 4x cause 1.25 was not 1.
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