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Posted: 10/28/2004 9:47:00 PM EST
bushy car handguards... i guess 8 mags in a row was a few too many.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 9:48:06 PM EST
Is this a common thing with ar15's or did you just overshoot.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 9:51:27 PM EST
I did bump 8 mags in a row.. so what is that 240 rounds.. gas tube was glowing.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 9:52:56 PM EST
I find that if I shoot my ar's Underwater it helps in cooling the forearm
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 9:53:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By underdog75:
I find that if I shoot my ar's Underwater it helps in cooling the forearm





Link Posted: 10/28/2004 9:55:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By underdog75:
I find that if I shoot my ar's Underwater it helps in cooling the forearm



Link Posted: 10/28/2004 10:02:06 PM EST
what is the matter w/ you?????????

now you have to get some quad rail handguards, so they wont melt
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 10:28:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By underdog75:
I find that if I shoot my ar's Underwater it helps in cooling the forearm



Guns and water do not mix



Link Posted: 10/28/2004 11:20:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/28/2004 11:24:31 PM EST by Tweak]
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:57:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By Tweak:
common with crappy injection molded handguards, buy some real ones. the plugs and posts give them away every time, they're not interchangeable.



Pardon my ignorance but what are the "real ones"?

Thanks
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:30:46 AM EST
The real ones are compression molded.......you know, as in Colt? As Tweak would say, "Parts ain't parts." But of course everybody forgets about that while they're bashing Colt.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:31:33 AM EST
I believe he is refering to the handguards that have fiberglass in them, making them much more durable/resistant to heat. They're the ones that have the somewhat shiny appearance to them after a little use. That's what he means by "real", I'm pretty sure.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:31:44 AM EST
Very cool!! Light it up!!


Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:33:22 AM EST
Damn JStor beat me to the punch.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:47:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By Gimme_A_Carbine:
I believe he is refering to the handguards that have fiberglass in them, making them much more durable/resistant to heat.



That is NOT what he is reffering to.

JStor is correct the 'real ones' are compression molded, it obvious those busy ones were injection molded. Both processes can use fiberglass strands in the plastic (which are for strength) - bu the compression molding plastic results in a unit that will char instead of melt and can take higher tempertures.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:52:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By Forest:

Originally Posted By Gimme_A_Carbine:
I believe he is refering to the handguards that have fiberglass in them, making them much more durable/resistant to heat.



That is NOT what he is reffering to.

JStor is correct the 'real ones' are compression molded, it obvious those busy ones were injection molded. Both processes can use fiberglass strands in the plastic (which are for strength) - bu the compression molding plastic results in a unit that will char instead of melt and can take higher tempertures.



Cool, learn something new everyday.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:52:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By Forest:

Originally Posted By Gimme_A_Carbine:
I believe he is refering to the handguards that have fiberglass in them, making them much more durable/resistant to heat.



That is NOT what he is reffering to.

JStor is correct the 'real ones' are compression molded, it obvious those busy ones were injection molded. Both processes can use fiberglass strands in the plastic (which are for strength) - bu the compression molding plastic results in a unit that will char instead of melt and can take higher tempertures.



so there are thermoset handguards? I was wondering.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 7:14:37 AM EST
Real Colt Handguards (A2, CAR, and M4) are all compression molded. The military requires them to manufacture them this way....
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 7:23:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 7:23:54 AM EST by smk8er]
Hmmm the picture of the .45 in the bucket is very similiar to the one on the UCI (Underwater Criminal Investigation) web site out of Carlisle, PA. That gun was recovered from a YORK, PA site.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 7:42:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 7:42:54 AM EST by comp1911]

Originally Posted By StrkAliteN:

Originally Posted By underdog75:
I find that if I shoot my ar's Underwater it helps in cooling the forearm



Guns and water do not mix

www.kuroyumes-developmentzone.com/appleyard/seapatrol/inpboat_

www.crimescenedivers.org/images/gun45.jpg



AHHHHHH please send that 1911 to me for imediate restoration!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 7:45:17 AM EST
How about a short list of the makers of compression molded handguards (other than Colt). I'm in the market and it's hard to tell from the pretty pictures.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:12:11 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:49:12 AM EST
SR you make good stuff for sure (that's why I use it my ARs) but Nylon 6 is different from the compression molded handguards.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 11:02:08 AM EST
There is no question... a huge difference in material composition of my Colt handguards and my Bushmaster guards..... now I know why. My Colt guards almost feel like a ceramic product, they are hard and they chip. But I can see how they can "take the heat".
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 11:02:33 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 11:28:24 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 12:19:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/30/2004 12:24:34 AM EST by SinistralRifleman]
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 1:54:25 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 2:39:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By freeride21a:
bushy car handguards... i guess 8 mags in a row was a few too many.
000buck.d2g.com/firearms/melt-01.jpg



This is why i changed my Bushy Patrolman's factory handguards over to Colt M4's as soon as it came home.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 4:37:45 AM EST
The standard Bushy carbine handguards suck,The M4 ones I think are better than the double shielded colt ones..Cav Arms By far the best i have all the different types and theirs are the only ones I can shoot my rifle a long time with out gloves....Cav Arms furniture rules!!!
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 4:58:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By freeride21a:
I did bump 8 mags in a row.. so what is that 240 rounds.. gas tube was glowing.



Brilliant.

A true asset to the shooting community you are.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 5:08:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By freeride21a:
I did bump 8 mags in a row.. so what is that 240 rounds.. gas tube was glowing.



Brilliant.

A true asset to the shooting community you are.



Mark - I think you have gone off your meds again, man. Lighten up, Frances.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 7:31:47 AM EST
SinistralRifleman,

I have always had outstanding results with the handguards I have purchased from CA. I'm not a slave to names/ brands like more than a few people here are, but I can say that I have carried your products on assorted duty rifles/ carbines without reservation.

When it comes it handguards, I'm interested in function, and then fit. Cav Arms are top notch in both areas. It makes no difference to me if someone says their handguards are made out of diamond fairy dust, or monkey manure, what matters is how well they work.

I don't spend much money with Cav Arms ( I haven't needed to), and they have no idea who I am, which is probably the best endorsement of all.

YMMV, I simply call like I see it.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 7:41:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By freeride21a:
I did bump 8 mags in a row.. so what is that 240 rounds.. gas tube was glowing.



Brilliant.

A true asset to the shooting community you are.



So, im not supposed to have fun? I can do completely aimed bumping from my shoulder. It is not a waste, chicks dig it, and guys are impressed(not that i care about that) ITS JUST FRIKIIN FUN! Anywas what about all those people at nfa shoots that torture their guns? am i not allowed to torture mine? What is it here for.. to look at on a shelf?

300k bump from shoulder vid
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 3:00:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By model927:
The standard Bushy carbine handguards suck



The older Bushy carbine HGs did suck. The newer ones are much stronger.
Old version can be distinguished by the bare aluminum heat shields with vent holes that lined up with those in the handguards.


New version has the black aluminum heat shield with offset vent holes. Reinforced internally... just beefier in general.


Link Posted: 10/31/2004 3:16:54 PM EST
whoa that is totally different.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 10:54:14 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 12:21:58 AM EST
I have the Bushy A2 handguards that resemble the one on the left. If I used the one on the right, I wouldn't be able to attach a harris.

Anyhow, it feels very loose and rickety... I wish I had gotten something better but as long as my hand doesn't get burned the handguards are doing their job. I don't want to pay $$$ for an overpriced "tactical" gimmick.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 1:15:52 AM EST
Get a:

ARMS SIR
or
KAC RAS
or
KAC PRAS II
or
SUREFIRE M73

They do not melt.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 1:21:25 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 2:06:56 AM EST
BTW

Bushmaster shows Thermoset handguards for its A2 rifle length handguards... Are these the "good" ones or the "bad" ones?
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 2:10:38 AM EST
From Bushy's site:
Rifle Handguards Comp Molded


Compression molded to mil. spec. in matte non-reflective finish like the buttstock. Not injection molded - these will not melt during full auto fire. Designed to fit rifles with the triangular handguard cap, they'll snap on instantly to replace your existing handguards. Internal aluminum heat shields protect hands from barrel heat buildup.




From Bushy's site regarding M4 handguards:
Bushy M4 guards

Another new item from Bushmaster for your military style carbine is the M4 Type Handguard. These handguards are the same length as standard "" handguards and will replace them on any carbine, but they are fatter and more oval (taller height) in cross-section, and have better barrel cooling capability. Molded of black thermoplastic composite with heavy black finished aluminum internal heat shields, Bushmaster offers these new... M4 Type Handguards.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 2:29:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By freeride21a:
I did bump 8 mags in a row.. so what is that 240 rounds.. gas tube was glowing.



Brilliant.

A true asset to the shooting community you are.




+1

I think you hit the nail right on the head.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 2:51:22 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 3:12:16 AM EST
The Bushy M4 handguards have the post/holes but I cannot find any pics of the Bushy CAR handguards. My Bushy A2 rifle full length handguards do not have the posts/holes.

Is there any other way to determine if its injection molded or compression molded? It's not like I will ever overheat my handguards (24" barrel, NM Hbar setup, single loads only). In fact I fired off several rounds and firmly gripped the barrel only to feel it cool off rather quickly. With my Vepr/RPK, the barrel burns up after about 4-5 rounds.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 3:25:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2004 3:54:25 AM EST by Tweak]
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 3:29:24 AM EST
That's not very helpful.

Are there any other ways of determining injection/compression molded handguards?
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 3:47:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2004 3:49:14 AM EST by CJan_NH]
Not sure if these will help with the discussion, but here goes:





As was indicated above, I like the CavArms handguards best of all. I have no idea how their heat resistance properties compare with Colt, but the fit and finish is unmatched.

Link Posted: 11/1/2004 3:48:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2004 3:56:04 AM EST by Tweak]
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 3:58:45 AM EST
Have you seen rifle full length handguards with posts and holes?

I haven't seen any glue on my Bushy handguards, but it doesnt have posts/holes. it does use clips to hold down the heatshields.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 4:19:51 AM EST
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