Cool, thanks guys for all the input.
I didn't tell you what I use to clean just about all of my guns.
I have been cleaning guns for about 13 years now.started out in the military with clp. during the police acadamy I moved to hopps and shooters choice and spent a fortune on it.
now, amidst the horror of some, I have found for pistols,auto rifles and shotguns I squirt them down with WD40 to break up the gunk. a few squirts of clp for the bore and run a brush through it several times while the WD40 soaks on all parts.
using a toothbrush on all other parts.
then hose it down with carb cleaner, blasting away all carbon. another light coat with WD40 on the outside and wipe down with a clean rag.
clp on the moving surfaces, bore, and critical points and I'm done.
of course I would never treat my precission bolt guns this way, just my heavy users.