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carbine length vs mid-length gas system on 16 in barrel? Is the amount of over gas so much on the carbine length that the gun will beat itself to death or is it an acceptable amount of gas? What are signs of over gassing?
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ALL AR15 DI systems are over-gassed. ALL of them. The design requires it. There is more gas impulse than necessary to cycle the action, which allows the action to cycle reliably under adverse conditions or with different ammo types.
Whether it is carbine, rifle, or midlength gas system length, does not really have much bearing on whether the AR will be more or less over-gassed. As said above, the length of the gas system has more to do with the timing of unlocking the bolt, and the length of barrel in front of the gas port, along with gas port size, have to do with the length of the gas impulse (dwell) and the amount of gas allowed into the DI system (port size).
This is all a relationship, and part of that relationship is the reciprocating mass (mass of the carrier and buffer) along with the action spring weight.
That's why it is important to buy from reputable manufacturers who understand, test, and design for these relationships when buying factory rifles. When buying parts, it is goof to purchase from reputable manufacturers who will properly size the ports, ship quality buffers and springs, etc.
Even some well loved manufacturers WAY over-gas their components (or they get them this way from their suppliers) such a BCM (large gas ports). I cant speak for why they do this but common perception is because they value reliability over less recoil impulse.... or they do this because so many shooters today use inexpensive underpowered non-milspec ammo (Wolf/Tula) which requires significant over-gassing to reliably run these out of spec ammunition types.
The biggest benefit of a midlength over carbine length gas system in a 16" barrel, is that there is a longer time for the initial gas impulse will take action on the carrier, unlocking the bolt and starting extraction, and a shorter dwell time due to less barrel length in front of the gas port. This results in softer/easier extraction, and a softer overall recoil impulse, assuming gas port sizing remain constant for the standard size in that particular configuration.
Both systems can be tweaked, by adding heavier springs and buffers, or adjustable gas blocks. Or just left alone if they work and the recoil impulse is not bothersome.