So Im buying a full upper here in Seattle while Im on my break, and I fly back to Arizona next week...what would I need to do to legally bring it with me?

Or would I be better off just shipping it?

Thanks

I would just assume the airlines will consider it a firearm, and just package it up as such.  FAA approved case.

It's probably MUCH cheaper to ship than it would be to purchase an FAA approved firearm case.

just ship it, you dont want any bs for the $10 in shipping itd cost ya

If you wanted to fly with it, just put it in your checked baggage.

The only problem is that the TSA monkeys WILL get inside your bag if they want to, whether it's locked or not.  If you put a keyed Masterlock on your luggage, they'll just cut it off, and most of the new integrated luggage locks are "TSA friendly", meaning they have a universal key that would let them open your luggage even if you locked it.

I'd spend $10 to ship and insure it, but YMMV.

Ship it to yourself


and since it does not contain the lower, no FFL needed



just less hassle to ship it to yourself


if enough people did the same thing more often though we could eliminate the hassle

Whatever you do, don't bring fire on a plane.

Quoted: Ship it to yourself and since it does not contain the lower, no FFL needed

Correction - Federal law allows us to mail complete firearms to ourselves across state lines. BATFE quote:

(B9) May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity?

Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.

ATF online FAQs

Quoted: just less hassle to ship it to yourself if enough people did the same thing more often though we could eliminate the hassle

Pardon me sir...this "let's all just bend over and take it" attitude from citizens such as you has promoted the slow and deadly erosion of many of our liberties and God given rights.

One hundred years ago my grandfather and his brothers could lawfully own and shoot fully automatic firearms "out at the farm" with no worry regarding legal ramifications. This right has been lost.

Fifty years ago machine guns could still be manufactured and purchased by law abiding citizens provided they passed some invasive background check. The right to manufacture has been lost.

Assault weapons were banned for a damn decade throughout the nation and are still banned in several states.

Fifty-caliber rifles are under attack. Pistols are outlawed in some states and many cities.

Are you seeing a pattern here?

Get off your rear, push the current law (I mailed an "assault weapon" from the US post office recently), and contact your legal representatives.

Or just sit back and watch more of our rights slowly taken away.

PS - I will personally visit the Virginia General Assembly in early January 2007. I will walk in the door openly carrying my H&K USP .45 because it is my right and I will speak with many elected officials.

What will you do to help protect our rights? And the rights of our sons, and grandsons, and their sons...

Quoted: Quoted: Ship it to yourself and since it does not contain the lower, no FFL needed Correction - Federal law allows us to mail complete firearms to ourselves across state lines. BATFE quote: (B9) May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity? Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm. ATF online FAQs Quoted: just less hassle to ship it to yourself if enough people did the same thing more often though we could eliminate the hassle Pardon me sir...this "let's all just bend over and take it" attitude from citizens such as you has promoted the slow and deadly erosion of many of our liberties and God given rights. One hundred years ago my grandfather and his brothers could lawfully own and shoot fully automatic firearms "out at the farm" with no worry regarding legal ramifications. This right has been lost. Fifty years ago machine guns could still be manufactured and purchased by law abiding citizens provided they passed some invasive background check. The right to manufacture has been lost. Assault weapons were banned for a damn decade throughout the nation and are still banned in several states. Fifty-caliber rifles are under attack. Pistols are outlawed in some states and many cities. Are you seeing a pattern here? Get off your rear, push the current law (I mailed an "assault weapon" from the US post office recently), and contact your legal representatives. Or just sit back and watch more of our rights slowly taken away. PS - I will personally visit the Virginia General Assembly in early January 2007. I will walk in the door openly carrying my H&K USP .45 because it is my right and I will speak with many elected officials. What will you do to help protect our rights? And the rights of our sons, and grandsons, and their sons...

Get off your high horse.  It is more of a hassle to fly with it because he doesn't have a lockable gun case with him.  He'd have to buy one just for this.  And what if he already has one at home?  What's he going to do with the one he would have to buy in Seattle?

Stuff the damn upper in a sturdy cardboard box, stuff it full of newspaper, take it to the Post Office and mail it to yourself the day before flying.

Catch it on the other end.

It's a simple matter of practicality.

God did'nt give you those rights bud, guys with funny white wigs did. God has nothing to do with it.

for future reference: packing.org has a section about the requirements for taking a gun on a flight.

As for TSA: I would not count on the average TSA person knowing the laws about taking guns on an airplane. Airlines have trained personnel (as well as some special training for some airport cops) about the requirements. Not all airline employees know the law about guns; neither do the TSA searchers.

Quoted: God did'nt give you those rights bud, guys with funny white wigs did. God has nothing to do with it.

Our legal system is based entirely upon natural law (a.k.a. God's Law). We, and our forefathers from merry old England, all agree that some actions are ALWAYS wrong.

Murder is always wrong. Killing in the name of self-defense is permitted.

Free men have a God given right to free speech - we are born with that right. We have a right to peacefully assemble, a right to choose our religion, etc.

Now pay attention to this one...we all have a right to LIFE. The 2nd Amendment to our Constitution is entirely based upon our individual RIGHT TO LIFE. No one has the right to take our life.

The right to keep and bear arms recognizes this individual God given right to life and affords us individual protection from criminal individuals and/or government.

Yes my friend...your right to keep and bear arms was granted to you by God himself...our forefathers wearing white wigs understood this so very well.

Pick up a book sometime and read a little.

Technically you should be able to carry it on, as it is NOT considered a firearm. I don't know if I would try it though!

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Quoted: height=8 Quoted: God did'nt give you those rights bud, guys with funny white wigs did. God has nothing to do with it. Our legal system is based entirely upon natural law (a.k.a. God's Law). We, and our forefathers from merry old England, all agree that some actions are ALWAYS wrong. Murder is always wrong. Killing in the name of self-defense is permitted. Free men have a God given right to free speech - we are born with that right. We have a right to peacefully assemble, a right to choose our religion, etc. Now pay attention to this one...we all have a right to LIFE. The 2nd Amendment to our Constitution is entirely based upon our individual RIGHT TO LIFE. No one has the right to take our life. The right to keep and bear arms recognizes this individual God given right to life and affords us individual protection from criminal individuals and/or government. Yes my friend...your right to keep and bear arms was granted to you by God himself...our forefathers wearing white wigs understood this so very well. Pick up a book sometime and read a little.

Pick up a book and read a little?  That would imply that we would have to read the same books that you read.  Between revisionist history, political correctness, and extremist political views, I would rather keep my opinions to myself where it comes to God.  Separation of church and state verses freedom of speech, eh?  End of my little rant.

Since you can no longer bring golf clubs into the passanger cabin, it kind of makes sense that you can't bring an rifle barrel as well.  I think the same thing applies to baseball/softball bats.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that you can not carry on "guns or gun parts".   Makes sense.

Quoted: Technically you should be able to carry it on, as it is NOT considered a firearm. I don't know if I would try it though!

IIRC TSA considers Firearms parts to constitute a Firearm.

Ship it or check it the same as you would a complete rifle.

As a Department of Homeland Security Transportation Security Officer, I will say this: If you prefer to take the upper with you on the flight home, you may want to have it in a durable lockable case of some sort. You can either have it in your suitcase (if you dare) or check it seperately. Personally, I recommend shipping it. It is less of a hassle.

To set the record straight, what gun owners have to fear most when transporting a weapon on an aircraft is not TSA personnel, but rather some of the airline ramp personnel. Trust me, I have been there. For three years, before joining TSA, I worked in the airline industry. I had seen the results of pilferage too often. This was all before TSA ever existed. If someone transports a firearm, they need to make sure that it is in the most secure container possible and have extremely durable locks. The "TSA" approved locks are a POS. Buy "Masterlock", "Yale", or some other heavy duty padlocks. I had a passenger the other day that was transporting a rifle, shotgun, and two handguns in a case that had the little slide-type latches. He only wanted it secured with the cable lock. I wrapped the cable around the handle a few times and secured it. The handle was not going to come loose. However, you could slide the latches open and lift either end of the case wide enough to get everything out. I had to emphasize to him to get a better cae for the next time. At least one that had lock loops on the ends and near the handle. All I could do for him was to tape over the latches and hope for the best. As a responsible gun owner, it is very important to me to have weapons completely secure before they transport.

TSA reads:

Parts of guns or firearms:
* carry on, no
* checked, yes

TSA prohibited items

Send it to yourself Prioity mail with a delivery confermation. Not sure if a full 20in upper will fit in a flat rate box. But its only $8.50 say $10 max. Save a lot of hassels at the airport or it getting stolen. Or blown up on the runway bye the local bomb disposial team while you are being strip sherched by 4 FBI officers wereing rubber gloves!

Limp on and use it as  a cane!!!

lol, I just ordered the upper from Kiser and it will be at my house when I get there.


It ended up being cheaper.

Quoted: If you wanted to fly with it, just put it in your checked baggage. The only problem is that the TSA monkeys WILL get inside your bag if they want to, whether it's locked or not.  If you put a keyed Masterlock on your luggage, they'll just cut it off, and most of the new integrated luggage locks are "TSA friendly", meaning they have a universal key that would let them open your luggage even if you locked it. I'd spend $10 to ship and insure it, but YMMV.

FWIW, I just flew out of RDU on Dec. 18th with 4 firearms.  Rifle, shotgun and 2 pistols.  Pelican 1750 had 2 Master Locks on it with three of the of the guns and my luggage had a pistol in it and locked with a padlock.  All it took was me going to the TSA inspection counter, opening my locks for them and then locking them back up when they were done (with me watching every step of their inspection).  I have yet to have or know anyone that has had their locks cut off and if that were too happen, I'd simply site the 4th(???) Amendment for illegal search and seizure.  You're still in the airport and you can be paged if they want to open your bag.  

As for TSA Regulations, they recommend (not require) the use of their locks, but frankly way too many guns have been stolen or "lost" since 9/11 than before and I don't trust anyone.  By the book, you won't be allowed to bring the upper on the plane with you, however, you can have it in your checked baggage and do not have to declare it as a firearm.  

However, as others have stated, just ship it to yourself.  Even UPS Next Day Saver or 2nd Day will be no more than $20-30.  Cheap insurance.

Rich


ETA:  a 20" upper w/ carry handle fits perfectly (with room for padding above and below) in a UPS/FedEx shipping tube (the triangular ones).

Rich

Quoted: Quoted: If you wanted to fly with it, just put it in your checked baggage. The only problem is that the TSA monkeys WILL get inside your bag if they want to, whether it's locked or not.  If you put a keyed Masterlock on your luggage, they'll just cut it off, and most of the new integrated luggage locks are "TSA friendly", meaning they have a universal key that would let them open your luggage even if you locked it. I'd spend $10 to ship and insure it, but YMMV. FWIW, I just flew out of RDU on Dec. 18th with 4 firearms.  Rifle, shotgun and 2 pistols.  Pelican 1750 had 2 Master Locks on it with three of the of the guns and my luggage had a pistol in it and locked with a padlock.  All it took was me going to the TSA inspection counter, opening my locks for them and then locking them back up when they were done (with me watching every step of their inspection).  I have yet to have or know anyone that has had their locks cut off and if that were too happen, I'd simply site the 4th(???) Amendment for illegal search and seizure.  You're still in the airport and you can be paged if they want to open your bag.   As for TSA Regulations, they recommend (not require) the use of their locks, but frankly way too many guns have been stolen or "lost" since 9/11 than before and I don't trust anyone.  By the book, you won't be allowed to bring the upper on the plane with you, however, you can have it in your checked baggage and do not have to declare it as a firearm.   However, as others have stated, just ship it to yourself.  Even UPS Next Day Saver or 2nd Day will be no more than $20-30.  Cheap insurance. Rich ETA:  a 20" upper w/ carry handle fits perfectly (with room for padding above and below) in a UPS/FedEx shipping tube (the triangular ones). Rich

You're quite correct when referring to cases being used to transport firearms, but from personal experience  Masterlocks on regular checked baggage are a different story altogether.  I was referring to normal checked baggage, and not one containing a firearm.  A firearm case CANNOT be opened by the TSA without you being present, IIRC.

As for TSA Regulations, they recommend (not require) the use of their locks, but frankly way too many guns have been stolen or "lost" since 9/11 than before and I don't trust anyone. By the book, you won't be allowed to bring the upper on the plane with you, however, you can have it in your checked baggage and do not have to declare it as a firearm.

Actually, as per Fed regs, the only person who can have a key to the lock is the person who owns the firearms.  Seems be default that if you have a "TSA Lock" then they have a key and you're in violation.

That being said, I've had nothing but pleasant experiences when flying with firearms.

you can...

put it in your checked bag and declare it
or
ship it

Either is fine. do what you feel comfortable with. I work for the airline and I fly with my ARs all the time.

I wouldnt bring a Water gun on an Airplane! Just Ship It.