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Posted: 6/2/2004 10:02:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/2/2004 10:02:43 AM EDT by BoltActionAssault]
i was reading "The Ideal Rifle" in the Articles section of information, and it says that "... bayonet will not fit correctly on a 16" barrel..."

i found a listing of a ar-15 with a 16" barrel and a bayo lug.... wtf?
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=19148535
Link Posted: 6/2/2004 10:08:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/2/2004 10:15:41 AM EDT
so then the bayonet lug on the above listed link will not be able to actually mount a bayonet on it?
Link Posted: 6/2/2004 10:17:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/2/2004 10:49:35 AM EDT
Check out www.prebanarms.com
They have one that will fit.

Link Posted: 6/2/2004 10:57:43 AM EDT
Your gunbroker listing is just letting you know that the Gun is not an Emasculated AR. Although the bayo stud is basically useless on a 16" barrel, a true manly man will not buy a gun without it!
Link Posted: 6/2/2004 11:27:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BoltActionAssault:
so then the bayonet lug on the above listed link will not be able to actually mount a bayonet on it?



You can mount a bayo on it but there will be slop between the barrel and the bayo hilt (where the ring is supposed to be around the break/flash suppressor)

Additionally, the blade of the bayo won't go as far beyond the muzzle as it was designed to. Thus if you stick something with it, the penetration is only partial.
Link Posted: 8/2/2004 9:34:11 AM EDT
For what its worth, it is my understanding that a bayonet will fit on a mid-length gas, 18" barrel. Is that correct?

Wolf

P.S. Welcome back Lumpy.
Link Posted: 8/2/2004 10:56:59 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/2/2004 11:35:45 AM EDT
The shop where I work has a 16 inch Colt M-4 upper that has a bayonet modified with an extention on the handle, so it will work on the normal 16 inch carbine barrels. Nice workmanship, but no clue where the adaptor came from. Extension goes between the handle and the endcap, if that's what you call it.



Lonny
Link Posted: 8/2/2004 11:41:22 AM EDT
They do make clamp-on bayo lugs for 16" guns, btw...
Link Posted: 8/2/2004 12:20:58 PM EDT
If you use the faux 5.5" slip over flash supressor the bayonette will work.

Link Posted: 8/2/2004 12:45:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRicker:
Standard bayonet fits:

Mid-length gas system, 16" barrel




Ah...excellent. Thank you.

Wolf
Link Posted: 8/2/2004 1:16:55 PM EDT
I picked up an "extended" colt bayonet not too long ago off of the EE boards, it's just a small piece that screws into the bottom of the bayonet.. It's not perfect, but it works for those of us who have the 16" and don't feel up to changing it.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/213046.jpg
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 5:58:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/27/2004 8:10:18 AM EDT by Bklyn_Irish]

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
No it wont.

If you get an upper with a 14.5" barrel with a perminently installed longer flash hider it will.



So a 14.5" Bushmaster M4 upper with a Phantom suppressor will accept the M7 or M9 bayonet?

Do I need one? No. Do I want one because I was told I couldn't have one before? You bet your sweet ass.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 6:07:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/27/2004 6:09:18 AM EDT by _DR]

Originally Posted By rag:
Check out www.prebanarms.com
They have one that will fit.




I bought one, excellent Solingen steel Colt branded bayonet with extended handle fits 16" barrel with FS perfectly. Expensive, but worth it IMHO.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 7:00:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bklyn_Irish:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
No it wont.

If you get an upper with a 14.5" barrel with a perminently installed longer flash hider it will.



So a 14.5" Bushmaster M4 upper with a Phantom suppressor will accept the M7 or M9 bayonet?

Do I need one? No. Do I want one because I was told I couldn't have one before? You bet your sweet ass.




Si or no?
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 7:42:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2004 8:10:40 AM EDT by FishKepr]

Originally Posted By Wolf_Warrior:

Originally Posted By TheRicker:
Standard bayonet fits:

Mid-length gas system, 16" barrel




Ah...excellent. Thank you.

Wolf



IMO, this is the way to go. I have one and I don't even have an AR bayonet yet. There a plenty of other reasons to pick a mid-length.

EDITED TO ADD:
If you REALLY want that badass bayonet look, mount a 16 1/2" one on a M1, M1903 or M1917. I put one on my M1917, looked in the mirror and nearly pissed in my pants. I can only imagine what seeing 10,000 doughboys charging across No Man's Land looked like.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 8:40:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bklyn_Irish:

Originally Posted By Bklyn_Irish:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
No it wont.

If you get an upper with a 14.5" barrel with a perminently installed longer flash hider it will.



So a 14.5" Bushmaster M4 upper with a Phantom suppressor will accept the M7 or M9 bayonet?

Do I need one? No. Do I want one because I was told I couldn't have one before? You bet your sweet ass.




Si or no?



Anyone???
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 8:42:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FishKepr:

Originally Posted By Wolf_Warrior:

Originally Posted By TheRicker:
Standard bayonet fits:

Mid-length gas system, 16" barrel




Ah...excellent. Thank you.

Wolf



IMO, this is the way to go. I have one and I don't even have an AR bayonet yet. There a plenty of other reasons to pick a mid-length.

EDITED TO ADD:
If you REALLY want that badass bayonet look, mount a 16 1/2" one on a M1, M1903 or M1917. I put one on my M1917, looked in the mirror and nearly pissed in my pants. I can only imagine what seeing 10,000 doughboys charging across No Man's Land looked like.



I agree 100%. In my collection I have two 16" and three 10" for my Garands & '03. What really breaks my heart is that in the days of my youth, before I knew anything about 16" bayonets, I sold one for $25 (beer $$$).
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 8:44:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By aragorn442:
I picked up an "extended" colt bayonet not too long ago off of the EE boards, it's just a small piece that screws into the bottom of the bayonet.. It's not perfect, but it works for those of us who have the 16" and don't feel up to changing it.

www.hunt101.com/img/213046.jpg

Where the hell can I get one of these extentions?
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 8:54:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bklyn_Irish:

So a 14.5" Bushmaster M4 upper with a Phantom suppressor will accept the M7 or M9 bayonet?



YES!

Link Posted: 8/28/2004 8:58:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TriggerFish:

Originally Posted By Bklyn_Irish:

So a 14.5" Bushmaster M4 upper with a Phantom suppressor will accept the M7 or M9 bayonet?



YES!




Thank you, TriggerFish!

Happy Drive-By Bayoneting!
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 8:57:58 PM EDT
Does any of the manufacturers make a 16" configuration that will work correctly with a bayo? I've
seen the 'mid-length' handguard variety, but the barrel doesn't look like it would be long enough to
hold the bayo right.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 9:29:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tanker06:
Does any of the manufacturers make a 16" configuration that will work correctly with a bayo? I've
seen the 'mid-length' handguard variety, but the barrel doesn't look like it would be long enough to
hold the bayo right.



RRA and Armalite make a mid length upper. In the "Pre-ban" configuration, they will accept a bayonet.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 9:40:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
They do make clamp-on bayo lugs for 16" guns, btw...



Link?
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:06:59 AM EDT
Thus if you stick something with it, the penetration is only partial.

Yeah, but the UCMJ says that's sufficent enough...
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:46:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sukebe:

Originally Posted By Tanker06:
Does any of the manufacturers make a 16" configuration that will work correctly with a bayo? I've
seen the 'mid-length' handguard variety, but the barrel doesn't look like it would be long enough to
hold the bayo right.


RRA and Armalite make a mid length upper. In the "Pre-ban" configuration, they will accept a bayonet.


Anybody know if Model1's mid-length or J&T (sp?) will accept them also?
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 12:23:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 12:55:24 AM EDT
The "clamp-on" bayonets are hideous and I have to question how sturdy they are.

At the very least, they will strip the outside of your barrel down to the steel which, in my book is a no-no. My rifles don't have to be purdy, but I dont like rust

- BG
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 3:01:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ian187:
If you use the faux 5.5" slip over flash supressor the bayonette will work.




I like the shorty look and have been wondering if the slipover suppressor is the same diameter. Guess it is if the bayonet will fit, right
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