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Posted: 11/8/2009 5:33:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 5:52:03 AM EDT
So the ACR will come out sometime in 2012?
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 5:59:14 AM EDT
Here they go again.. What happened to the last how ever many millions they spent doing this? There are several  canidates out there now. It as always will be good entertainment.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 6:00:27 AM EDT
I wonder if they will entertain any piston systems be they new rifle altogether such as Ruger 556 or  Masada??
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 6:05:17 AM EDT
Vulcan/Hesse/What ever they call themselves this week, can now, finally actually be THE machine gun of the special forces.....
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 6:30:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Nichonator:
I wonder if they will entertain any piston systems be they new rifle altogether such as Ruger 556 or  Masada??


My guess is the front runners will be the M4, M4 with a piston conversion (possibly), SCAR, and the Masada/ACR (possibly).

IF (big if imo) there's a change I'm figuring the SCAR will get it.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 6:36:54 AM EDT
All in...

This is going to be roller coaster!
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 6:41:00 AM EDT
They aren't replacing the M4.  They didn't replace the M9 like they wanted to.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 6:44:55 AM EDT
Welcome to ACR Phase I, circa 1986.
The Stoner Platform is here to stay, until caseless ammo or direct energy weapons.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 6:54:40 AM EDT
doesnt really matter who wins. The legal battles will be drawn out for years and in the end we will still have the M4
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 6:56:52 AM EDT
It will be interesting to see if anything really comes out of this. I'm guessing that if they do anything it will be an upgraded piston m4 type system or the scar.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 7:03:01 AM EDT
Interesting. Having now researched the SCAR a little more and looking at the breakdown it is not a huge change by any means. It will be interesting to see if caliber change comes back into play also. For some reason i keep having this picture of a monkey and a football in my head as i think more about this subject. : )
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 7:07:05 AM EDT
We should write the Army brass and give them a 2 million dollar option. We will take 5 guns of each pick and a handfull of us Arfcomers.. Half prior or current military and the rest civy commandoes.. Put the guns through there paces ( READ FREE AMMO) and then give them a break down of our findings. The monkey and football would be optional for us.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 7:13:34 AM EDT
And the winner is . . . .





Link Posted: 11/8/2009 7:14:30 AM EDT
Is there another platform on the market that is more accurate and reliable as the M4?
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 7:15:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By WarNerve:
And the winner is . . . .



http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/Candidus/Firearms/XCR-L/XCR_Fiixed.jpg



I hear the accuracy just isnt there on the XCR .what has been your experience?
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 7:17:35 AM EDT
Didn't we just finish doing this bullshit? Fuck.



Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
Welcome to ACR Phase I, circa 1986.
The Stoner Platform is here to stay, until caseless ammo or direct energy weapons.


+1
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 7:19:28 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 7:19:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/8/2009 7:20:43 AM EDT by WarNerve]
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By WarNerve:
And the winner is . . . .



http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/Candidus/Firearms/XCR-L/XCR_Fiixed.jpg



I hear the accuracy just isnt there on the XCR .what has been your experience?


I don't have glass on mine yet. The XCR is capable of sub moa. I have seen others post targets demonstrating this.


Link Posted: 11/8/2009 7:27:21 AM EDT
Where are the NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN gifs?
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 7:44:40 AM EDT
This should be nterestng.

An lwrc pistn upper is the best bet.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 7:45:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/8/2009 7:48:26 AM EDT by fmfcorpsman]
HK 416??? I am betting weight will be one of the largest considerations.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 8:00:08 AM EDT
If it actuallly happens the SCAR will win...
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 8:03:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RangerJoe11:
If it actuallly happens the SCAR will win...


The SCAR will get the boot

Actually i hope to be getting one when prices come down to reasonable.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 8:08:12 AM EDT
I thought the whole point was that the Army wants a gun with improved reliability (), lighter weight, and more ballistic power.  Any weapon that runs the 5.56 would automatically fail that test...right?
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 8:08:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 8:10:45 AM EDT
I think the MSAR E4.

Link Posted: 11/8/2009 8:16:05 AM EDT
They need to look at the AR10 once again.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 8:19:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
I predict the Mini-4*REPR-14 will steal the show.  


What the hell is that?
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 8:59:08 AM EDT
Retrofit M4's to 6.8 with OPS-416 kit.

Biggest bang for the buck.



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Link Posted: 11/8/2009 8:59:46 AM EDT
Look, if the military isn't looking for things that aren't potentially better, I'd say the supply and ordnance department isn't doing their job.

Shopping does not a purchase make. New offerings are compared to what's in inventory now. Until announced, it's not replaced. Simple as that.

I realize some here behold the AR with religious zeal, so the above is sacrilege to you. Flame suit on.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 9:01:30 AM EDT
Here we go again...



You would think that if SOF uses the SCAR then perhaps it would be good enough for the rest of the Army and DOD, afterall the testing and R&D has been done.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 9:03:26 AM EDT
I'd like to see the military convert 5.56 uppers to 6.8SPC and call it a day...
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 9:05:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Tall34:
I'd like to see the military convert 5.56 uppers to 6.8SPC and call it a day...


Yep, and maybe while they're at it they can drop the whole "weapons need to be spotless" bullshit.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 9:23:49 AM EDT
POF or go home.

Love that chromed upper receiver..just wipe carbon off.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 9:56:56 AM EDT
Why don't we just get it over with and go to the AK? I mean thats what everybody else is doing right? LOL

But seriously, this won't go well...I know for a fact there are still units out there using M16A2's...how in the hell will the army expect to make a complete platform change using those ancient artifacts?
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 9:58:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 10:14:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By artsohc:
I thought the whole point was that the Army wants a gun with improved reliability (), lighter weight, and more ballistic power.  Any weapon that runs the 5.56 would automatically fail that test...right?


No it would not, and this is why. We still have shit tons of 5.56 ammo. Thats why easy caliber conversion will be a neccesity on the new rifle.

It will be between the SCAR and the ACR. ACR for the win, due to full ambi controls and no government funding went into R&D.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 10:15:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/8/2009 10:15:50 AM EDT by LaRue_Tactical]
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 10:17:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TexAg10:
Originally Posted By Tall34:
I'd like to see the military convert 5.56 uppers to 6.8SPC and call it a day...


Yep, and maybe while they're at it they can drop the whole "weapons need to be spotless" bullshit.


WORD! Good chance, they got rid of the shiny boots thing.

Link Posted: 11/8/2009 10:19:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By WarNerve:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By WarNerve:
And the winner is . . . .



http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/Candidus/Firearms/XCR-L/XCR_Fiixed.jpg



I hear the accuracy just isnt there on the XCR .what has been your experience?


I don't have glass on mine yet. The XCR is capable of sub moa. I have seen others post targets demonstrating this.




I don't beleive the XCR is capable of sub moa accuracy for a second.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 10:21:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DirtDiver06:
Originally Posted By WarNerve:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By WarNerve:
And the winner is . . . .



http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/Candidus/Firearms/XCR-L/XCR_Fiixed.jpg



I hear the accuracy just isnt there on the XCR .what has been your experience?


I don't have glass on mine yet. The XCR is capable of sub moa. I have seen others post targets demonstrating this.




I don't beleive the XCR is capable of sub moa accuracy for a second.


But do you really need sub moa on a battle rifle?
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 10:27:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By MRW:
go to Beretta Storm Carbine so you can use interchangeable pistol mags!


Link Posted: 11/8/2009 10:27:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By homeyclaus:
Look, if the military isn't looking for things that aren't potentially better, I'd say the supply and ordnance department isn't doing their job.

Shopping does not a purchase make. New offerings are compared to what's in inventory now. Until announced, it's not replaced. Simple as that.

I realize some here behold the AR with religious zeal, so the above is sacrilege to you. Flame suit on.


But every year we piss away millions just to find out there is no appreciable benefit to any of the weapons systems on the market.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 10:28:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/8/2009 10:29:33 AM EDT by DirtDiver06]
Nope, you don't need sub moa accuracy on a battle rifle.

I just don't beleive all of these non-match grade barreled, piston guns are capable of sub moa like alot of people say.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 10:31:43 AM EDT
Given the corruption in the current regime....I can't imagine anything sensible coming out of this same ole same ole procurement idiom.

Whatever it is ..it will probably be made in China
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 10:35:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/8/2009 10:36:08 AM EDT by R0N]
I will buy a XCR when they do go to the 1/7 tubes on them.


However that being said, from a practical stand point I am not sure we (military members) get with them beyond our current M4s and A4s?
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 10:38:37 AM EDT
Comrade Obama wants to nueter the military so I'm sure they will get something with 10 round mags and without a pistol grip(it's so scary).  Look for lots of bad decisions to be made in the near future.
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 10:39:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Tall34:
I'd like to see the military convert 5.56 uppers to 6.8SPC and call it a day...


Sounds like a good plan to me too.

However, if I remember correctly, wasn't the .276 Pedersen in the Garand axed because MacArthur said we had too much .30-06 already on hand?

I see the same thing happening in the case of the 5.56 x 45.

If they switch to a better cartridge, they should sell the surplus 5.56 to us civilians, that stuff would be sold in a couple of months.

Link Posted: 11/8/2009 11:25:46 AM EDT
16" DI  Middy.....for the win !
Link Posted: 11/8/2009 11:27:14 AM EDT
Another waste of money. Not because it's an all bad idea, but because the government will wait (until every last dollar is pushed into it before they have to make a commitment) to bail on the project.

I hope Remington doesn't buy into this and delay their rifle, yet again. With Remington in place of Bushmaster, I'd say they gain a lot of political points over being Bushmaster though.
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