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Posted: 8/17/2004 5:53:05 PM EDT
[#1]
Doesn't MOA mean 1" at 100 yards?
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Posted: 8/17/2004 5:55:39 PM EDT
[#2]
Not sure, how about a 1 inch group at 200 yards. |
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Posted: 8/17/2004 5:56:54 PM EDT
[#3]
that'd be about 1/2 MOA.
Possible? Maybe by Tippie or Hercules, but not by me 
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Posted: 8/17/2004 6:06:54 PM EDT
[#4]
Unless he is a regular at Camp Perry and is using 1/4x1/4 NM rear sights and NM front blade, quite unlikely although not impossible.
With magnified optics, no problem. With standard irons, hmmmm.... |
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Posted: 8/17/2004 6:41:38 PM EDT
[#5]
I can do that! What's the big deal? It may take a few mags though... 
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Posted: 8/17/2004 6:46:29 PM EDT
[#6]
Shooting a 6" group at 200 yards is 3MOA. |
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Posted: 8/17/2004 6:54:43 PM EDT
[#7]
A prarie dog at 200yds, with an A2 and iron sights would be a piece of cake.
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Posted: 8/17/2004 7:07:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2004 7:16:45 PM EDT
[#9]
Maybe for you! I couldn't see something that small at that range, but my eyes aint so good, and I'm not yet 30, my vision ahead in the next 10 years for me looks troublesome. |
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Posted: 8/17/2004 7:17:23 PM EDT
[#10]
Come on, If you cant hit a 6" Prarie Dog at 200yds, you need to go back to a BB gun. 6" is the X ring at 600yds. Try it, I bet more people can do it than give themselves credit. 
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Posted: 8/17/2004 7:34:55 PM EDT
[#11]
6" at 200 yds all day long with open sights. 1" at 200yds, I'd have to see that in person to believe it.
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Posted: 8/17/2004 7:41:00 PM EDT
[#12]
... (1) MOA minute-of-angle is 1/60 of a degree and is in conflict with your 0.5" @ 200 yards. Now just where did I leave my trigonometry algorithms book you give you the correct delta?
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Posted: 8/17/2004 7:42:15 PM EDT
[#13]
.5" (or 1/4 MOA) at 200 is not possible unsupported with open sights. For realistic expectations, see NRA hi-power X-ring dimensions. Now, 6" at 200yds is VERY possible. And a small rodent hit by a .223 does not require a headshot to kill... |
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Posted: 8/17/2004 7:43:33 PM EDT
[#14]
Unless your friend is Carlos Hathcock I say Big Time BS.
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Posted: 8/17/2004 7:57:08 PM EDT
[#15]
+1 
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Posted: 8/17/2004 8:14:30 PM EDT
[#16]
I cant shoot that good even with optics
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Posted: 8/17/2004 8:55:10 PM EDT
[#17]
I'd believe it when I saw it...
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Posted: 8/17/2004 10:55:00 PM EDT
[#18]
damn kids and their aimbots
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Posted: 8/17/2004 10:58:51 PM EDT
[#19]
.5 at 200 yards using irons, I say:
 ETA: I was looking for the BS flag... |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:25:52 AM EDT
[#20]
It could be done, but more than likely not on purpose.
Ya gotta remember, just about everybody on the net is a ¼ MOA shooter. In real life there’s a lot of people like me; their bullets would never hit the ground if it wasn’t for gravity. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 7:09:34 AM EDT
[#21]
I think a lot of people are forgetting that thay may be 6 inches tall, but thay are only about 2-4 inches wide. I dont think anyone could hit that a 200 yards open site. With optics thats a whole new ball game.
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Posted: 8/18/2004 7:57:35 AM EDT
[#22]
At 200 yards, the front sight on a standard AR is something like 4 MOA (8 inches).
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Posted: 8/18/2004 8:02:06 AM EDT
[#23]
I know several people who can (with irons) IF they could see them. - and yes one of them shot against Carlos Hathcock at Camp Perry. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:02:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:06:55 AM EDT
[#25]
Of course there is a big difference between hitting a praire dog at 200yds and MOA at 200 yds.
I've never tried to hit a PD at 200 yds with open sights, but give me enough ammo and I'm sure I could do it to. 
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:07:55 AM EDT
[#26]
Hitting a prairie dog with iron sights at 200 yards... Doable and fairly easy as LONG as the the prairie dog can be seen.
Sinking shots into .5 inch at 200 yards with Iron Sights.... bullshit. Semper Fidelis |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:40:35 AM EDT
[#27]
i'm a pretty mediocre shot, but i'm pretty sure a 4x6" target ain't that hard to hit from a good kneel.
we're talking 2-3 moa fer crissakes! |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 2:45:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/18/2004 2:53:09 PM EDT
[#30]
Prairie dog:
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Posted: 8/18/2004 2:56:48 PM EDT
[#31]
that is what i was thinking, i regularly hit bowling pins at 200 easily, 20 inch stock bushy |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 3:41:07 PM EDT
[#32]
To FOREST there is a big difference in a round 1000 yd target and a prairie dog that blends into the back ground,Hathcock won the 1965 perry match shooting at those distances and I beleive the 7 people you mentioned could but I dont think this kids friend is one of them.
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Posted: 8/18/2004 4:26:03 PM EDT
[#33]
I was going to say there are people consistently putting rounds into the 10 ring at 1000yds with open sights so for 200 yds and 1/2 MOA why not...
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Posted: 8/18/2004 4:39:10 PM EDT
[#34]
I had Compass Lake build me a Service Rifle Upper (DCM/CMP) with a Krieger barrel and 1/4" sights. With it. off sand bags at 100 yards, shooting Black Hills Blue Box 68gr (Hornady JHP), I can hold just under 3/4" shooting at a NRA 200 yard reduced 100 yard target. IMHO, the trick is the sand bag, or otherwise decent rest, and a target you can see. I'd like to think the 3/4" @ 100 would equal 1.5" @ 200, but only at a target I could reasonably see, i.e. an NRA 200 yard target. The black on that target is a bit bigger than a P Dog. Now, if I had a few shots at the little bugger.........I'd think I'd miss before he got his wits together, but he'd wonder WTF is going on..
Bill |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 6:44:11 PM EDT
[#35]
people need to stop building m4geries and start shooting highpower.
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Posted: 8/18/2004 7:49:58 PM EDT
[#36]
Prairie Dog at 200 yards is (as others have said) feasible, provided it can be seen.
I've hit bowling pins at 200 yards with a "Rifle No.4 Mk2" using Federal Classic 180gr. 'Hi-Shok' .303British ammuntion. I did not hit them 100% of the time. One-half m.o.a. results at 200 yards is theoretically possible with a 3m.o.a. rifle. But your weirdometer would max out and start playing the theme from Twilight Zone. Here's how I think it could happen. Your rifle spits out bullets in a cone of probability measuring about 3 m.o.a. You would be lucky enough to have your barrel pointed in such a way that the random path of the current bullet would curve towards the point of impact of the previous shot. Your first shot is the "center shot". On your next shot you squeeze the trigger while your barrel is pointed a little left of the first shot, but due to dumb luck, the path of the bullet curves to the right and makes a hole on the target that touches the hole of the previous shot. On your next shot you squeeze the trigger while the barrel is pointed a little right of your first shot, but the path of this bullet curves a little to the left and it makes a hole that touches the previous two holes made on the target. Consider the velocity variations from shot to shot and add vertical deviations to horizontal deviations. Three shots putting holes on paper that touch each other due to environmental factors, random aiming errors and dumb luck. Would you like to try hitting a 12ounce aluminum can of Coca-Cola at 300 yards? I've done it with a scoped rifle, but, again, not 100% of the time. Your mileage may vary. Good luck. ~Craig |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 8:02:04 PM EDT
[#37]
I know a guy I would cover all bets for a one shot hit on a praire dog at 200 yards, with open sights.
I'd most likely have to walk a couple out to do it my self. With a decent varmit gun and 12X glass piece o' cake. I'd really hope to find something out twice that distance. mark |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:16:25 PM EDT
[#38]
Extend your front sight out about 80 feet and wear really thick glasses.
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Posted: 8/19/2004 3:50:34 AM EDT
[#39]
Why?? Is seems that most here can shoot very well with their M4geries or whatever they have.
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Posted: 8/19/2004 5:43:13 AM EDT
[#40]
i don't think i could miss with a scped rifle at 300 |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 6:28:17 AM EDT
[#41]
yeah, they totally 0wn the 50yrd range. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 6:43:57 AM EDT
[#42]
Yeah, They could all make Marksman. heMarksman Less than 84% Sharpshooter 84% to 88.9% Expert 89% to 93.9% Master 94% to 96.9% High Master 97% |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 8:20:31 AM EDT
[#43]
Wouldnt it be 1/4 MOA? |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 10:41:08 AM EDT
[#44]
Standard targets are a blur to me at 100yds, so I'd need a nice scope for 200 myself.
(yes I wear glasses) |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 11:04:09 AM EDT
[#45]
No need for a scope. All I see is a blur. Put the front post at the same spot on the blur and shoot. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 11:29:28 AM EDT
[#46]
I think you guys have pretty much beaten this one to death.
As said, there is a big difference between hitting a prarie dog at 200yds and shooting 1/4MOA at 200. Thats all this thread comes down to. A wise man once said..... there are 1/2MOA rifles, 1/2MOA ammo, and 1/2MOA shooters. Getting all three of those lined up shot after shot, consistently, just doesnt happen all that often. Of course, when it does, its a beautiful thang. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 11:59:31 AM EDT
[#47]
Another one who doesn't know how to shoot with iron sights. 
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:59:51 PM EDT
[#48]
There are LOTS of people who can clean a 200 yard Highpower target (My best is a 99, but I'm working on it). That's a 7" (3.5 moa) 10 ring. The better of those folks can clean it with a high X-count in the 3" X-ring. That is about what it would take to hit a Prairie Rat on purpose at 200 yards.
That said, the problem is SEEING the little rat at that distance. Aiming at a 13" black circle is a lot easy than aiming at a 3" x 9" tan-colored fuss ball. Stand that little bugger up in front of the center of a taget bull and he's history. You don't have to see him to be able to hit him. If he's standing out in a field he wouldn't offer a very discernable aiming point. Maybe you could try a "Mound Hold". 
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Posted: 8/19/2004 1:22:23 PM EDT
[#49]
I once saw my Paw-In-Law snap shoot a groundhog off a boulder at 50 yards with a .25 Baretta. That does not mean a .25 Baretta shoots anything close to MOA, just that it was a damn lucky shot or it sure as hell was not the groundhog's lucky day.
Having been on several prairie dog hunts, the young ones are really stupid, they will sit out all day while you blast away at them. If you call it sport, you can eventually shoot one at 200 yards with a 10/22 if you desire. It is not that big of a challenge. At any rate, consistant , repeatable 1/2 MOA on paper with any iron sighted firearm (not locked in a Ransome rest or something similar) is highly unlikely in my book. But I will stop just short of calling BS. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 2:32:04 PM EDT
[#50]
I shot a small butterfly at 100yds once.... of course I had a heavy barrel .223 with an 8-32x44 scope on it sitting on a bipod and a sandbag. With that rifle I could do a 'dawg at 200yds no problem. However that shot with irons.... Is your friend in athens right now? He should be, that would be world class olympic shooting.
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