Your opinion about Compact AGOGs???

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Posted: 10/12/2004 12:50:16 PM EDT

Hello,

What do you guys think about compact ACOGs? I'd use it on my M4 (We have a100 meter range) and on my 9mm upper (50 meter indoor range). I was thinking about the 3x model with a red crosshair. All comments welcome.

Best.

Petri

Posted: 10/12/2004 1:01:19 PM EDT

[#1]

I have only owned a TA-01, and I have a NIB TA-31F coming in on friday (the dealer is all sold out, so no IM's asking where I got it). I have never held or looked through a compact ACOG, so take my reasoning for what it's worth.

I don't see reason for choosing a compact over a full-size, with the one exception of weight being a primary concern.

for the size reduction and magnification reduction you get in the Compact, you sure pay a premium, since the full-size isn't that much more costly (and even less costly in some cases).

I would stay away from the compact ACOG. YMMV, and others with more experience than I with both styles of ACOG may have differing/more knowledgable reasons for or against going Compact.

-U-

Posted: 10/12/2004 2:19:04 PM EDT

[#2]

I have the 3x compact with the yellow cross hairs on a standard 20" rifle. I like the yellow for target work. The red is very very brite and I believe not as percise. Just my opinion, yours may vary. Lastly from a pure appearance standpoint, the mini may not "look" the part on an M4. Other than that, it's a fantastic 100 meter scope.

Regards,
Gary

Posted: 10/12/2004 2:21:33 PM EDT

[#3]

I have a TA50-2. 3x, amber triangle.

1st time out was on a military pop-up range shooting Ivans from 25 to 500m. I shot my best score ever, and the 2nd best of the day.

These scopes rock.

I've used the full sized *some* and I dont' really see the need to go full sized over the compact. Compact is smaller and lighter, gets the job done.

Posted: 10/12/2004 2:22:24 PM EDT

[#4]

I am a big fan of the red, just because it doesn't wash out. The yellow will but if you get the cross hair version when the wash out occurs you still get a standard duplex cross hairs.

Posted: 10/12/2004 2:23:42 PM EDT

[#5]

I had a 2x20 with the triangle. Dumped it and went back to an Aimpoint.

Posted: 10/12/2004 2:54:31 PM EDT

[#6]

I love them mounted to fixed carry handles, I think they work best there, but can be used on a flat top equally as well. My preffere is for the 2x triangle reticle. Red reticle would have been my first choice but red reticles are much harder to come by than amber for reasons unknown to me? They fast, lightweight, compact, RUGGED! and very useful. I would take a 2x or a 3x over a 1.5x. I just dont think the 1.5x offers that much of an advantage over a non magnified red dot to justify the large increase in price between a Comp ACOG and say a Aimpoint. YMMV?

Posted: 10/12/2004 3:12:41 PM EDT

[#7]

I like mine *very* much

It's the 1.5 red crosshair and BAC. It's on a rifle with a 16" Bushy superlite. If I was going to put one on a 20" I would go with a full size.
I also think you need to practice with it to get used to the BAC, this is what gives an advantage over an Aimpoint.
As always - IMHO, YMMV

Posted: 10/12/2004 3:22:58 PM EDT

[#8]

I think the Compact ACOGs are a great little GP optic. It’s light weight, always on, cost a couple hundred less than a full size ACOG, and works really well on a carry handle (I prefer A1). I’ve used mine on entries and standoffs. I think it’s a great perimeter optic, but not the best for CQB (IMHO). For that I would stick with an Aimpoint.

We had a barricaded subject in a green shack he called a house out in BFE. The amber triangle washed out a little when we lit the house up with light. Not a major problem. I could still see it and had irons under it. I would definitely prefer the red triangle, but I think I would have a better chance of getting a picture of Bigfoot first.

If you get one you won’t be unhappy if you understand its strengths and weaknesses.
Like a man…an optic’s got to know its limitations!

Ray

Posted: 10/12/2004 6:33:14 PM EDT

[#9]

I like all the Compacts.

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Posted: 10/12/2004 8:20:48 PM EDT

[#10]

I was under the impression that the Compact ACOG had a wider field of view than the full size ACOG. Something about it being a shorter tube even though it also has a smaller lense.

Posted: 10/12/2004 8:38:12 PM EDT

[#11]

The TA26 (1.5x - 16) model Comp ACOGs have the widest FOV of the entire ACOG line with 39' @ 100 yards.

TA31/TAO1/TAO1nsn (4x - 32) - models have the next largest with 36.8' @ 100 yards.

All other models have substantially narrower FOV with the next closest being the TA40 (2x - 20)line with 29.5' @ 100 yards. they just get more and more narrow from there.

Posted: 10/12/2004 8:39:57 PM EDT

[#12]

I'm a big fan.

Posted: 10/13/2004 6:47:48 AM EDT

[#13]

I use a TA47-2 on a M4A2. I find it a great combination. I like it.

Posted: 10/13/2004 7:33:30 PM EDT

[#14]

I don't have one yet, but I can think of one advantage the low powered compacts have over the red-dots.

Those of us with astigmatism. I used to have an Aimpoint. I sold it, not because of any defect in the sight, but because I have astigmatism and the red "dot" was a red oblong. Not a big deal at close range, but when I'm trying to use the top of the dot as an aiming point for precise shooting at 200 and 300 yds, it became a problem.

The ACOG reticles are sharp and clear. One of these days I'll get a low powered compact for a CQB rifle. Probably the 2x or 1.5x. I favor red over amber as I live in the desert and washout is an issue.

Posted: 10/13/2004 8:28:00 PM EDT

[#15]

That same astigmatism will play hell with the shape of the triangle and trying to use the tip as an aiming point. I can turn the intensity down on my Aimpoint and the dot is round.

Posted: 10/15/2004 3:01:56 AM EDT

[#16]

I have tried following Compact models

1.5x with dot and bac (in my personal use right now) very good choice for ranges 0-100 meter.
This sight sits on my AR-47 and mostly on my Ar-15 11" barreled flat top in competitions.

3x with triangle and bac, needs little more paractise for short range shooting
good for ranges 20-150 meters

3x with donut and bac, same opinion as above

2x with cross hair, good choice for 0-150 meters
All model I tried were special ring base models for flat top

Petri, you can send me some email and we can talk about this in Finnish.

Posted: 10/15/2004 8:03:05 AM EDT

[#17]

I have a TA50-6 on my M4gery and to the naked brain, is just as easy to acquire targets within 7-100yds as the Aimpoint that I use to interchange it with.

My next M4gery will wear my TA50-6 and the Aimpoint will reside on the current gun.

I absolutely LOVE my Compact ACOG, what I love even more is the price of $180 that I paid for it.

It's fast.

It's compact.

It's an ACOG that is compact.

-Jim

Posted: 10/15/2004 4:09:30 PM EDT

[#18]

Compact ACOG is my most versatile optic. Have a 3X with red crosshair. Great for quick CQB shots, yet for !00+ yard shots you can really place your shots. Compact won't give you much eye relief, but on a AR15 that's not really an issue. Small and light weight make it ideal for M4. Plus it's a little cheaper than a full-size.

Posted: 10/15/2004 4:27:19 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Compact won't give you much eye relief, but on a AR15 that's not really an issue.

This isnt completely true. the TA39 line (3x - 24) has short 1.4" eye relief, but all other Comp ACOGs have very generous eye relief...

TA24 line (1.5x - 24) has a huge 3.6" eye relief
TA26 line (1.5x - 16) has 2.4" eye relief
TA40 line (2x - 20) has 2.1" eye relief

Please note that listed eye relief distances are from Trijicon and, are all, in my experience, somewhat conservative and I thik the real eye relief is actually longer in all cases. I have found you can easily get another half inch or more and still get a full feild of view.

Posted: 10/15/2004 5:06:36 PM EDT

[#20]

Does that mean that the TA-24 is more forgiving than the TA-40?

Posted: 10/15/2004 5:25:51 PM EDT

[#21]

thats exactly what it means, eye relief on those 1.5x Comp ACOGs is HUGE.

Posted: 10/15/2004 5:35:13 PM EDT

[#22]

Oh Yea - forgot to mention that - that's why I got the 1.5, I didn't want to hunt around for the crosshair. It does have a sweet spot though, if you're right on the body of the optic kinda disappears, but you can easily find a target with having to move your head back and forth - like a dot scope.

Posted: 10/16/2004 10:10:50 AM EDT

[#23]

I stand corrected. Only have personal experience with 3X. Now that you mention it, I do remember reading that lower power compacts had better eye relief. I also agree specs. are a little conservative.

As I said before, even short eye relief hasn't been much of an issue for me cause I'm shooting .223. On a .308 or larger short eye relief would be more of a problem