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Posted: 10/12/2004 11:50:16 AM EST
Hello,

What do you guys think about compact ACOGs? I'd use it on my M4 (We have a100 meter range) and on my 9mm upper (50 meter indoor range). I was thinking about the 3x model with a red crosshair. All comments welcome.

Best.

Petri
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 12:01:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 2:07:23 PM EST by -UHLEK-]
I have only owned a TA-01, and I have a NIB TA-31F coming in on friday (the dealer is all sold out, so no IM's asking where I got it). I have never held or looked through a compact ACOG, so take my reasoning for what it's worth.

I don't see reason for choosing a compact over a full-size, with the one exception of weight being a primary concern.

for the size reduction and magnification reduction you get in the Compact, you sure pay a premium, since the full-size isn't that much more costly (and even less costly in some cases).

I would stay away from the compact ACOG. YMMV, and others with more experience than I with both styles of ACOG may have differing/more knowledgable reasons for or against going Compact.

-U-
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 1:19:04 PM EST
I have the 3x compact with the yellow cross hairs on a standard 20" rifle. I like the yellow for target work. The red is very very brite and I believe not as percise. Just my opinion, yours may vary. Lastly from a pure appearance standpoint, the mini may not "look" the part on an M4. Other than that, it's a fantastic 100 meter scope.

Regards,
Gary
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 1:21:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 1:22:35 PM EST by fight4yourrights]
I have a TA50-2. 3x, amber triangle.


1st time out was on a military pop-up range shooting Ivans from 25 to 500m. I shot my best score ever, and the 2nd best of the day.


These scopes rock.


I've used the full sized *some* and I dont' really see the need to go full sized over the compact. Compact is smaller and lighter, gets the job done.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 1:22:24 PM EST
I am a big fan of the red, just because it doesn't wash out. The yellow will but if you get the cross hair version when the wash out occurs you still get a standard duplex cross hairs.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 1:23:42 PM EST
I had a 2x20 with the triangle. Dumped it and went back to an Aimpoint.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 1:54:31 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 2:12:41 PM EST
I like mine *very* much

It's the 1.5 red crosshair and BAC. It's on a rifle with a 16" Bushy superlite. If I was going to put one on a 20" I would go with a full size.
I also think you need to practice with it to get used to the BAC, this is what gives an advantage over an Aimpoint.
As always - IMHO, YMMV
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 2:22:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 7:00:24 PM EST by RH33]
I think the Compact ACOGs are a great little GP optic. It’s light weight, always on, cost a couple hundred less than a full size ACOG, and works really well on a carry handle (I prefer A1). I’ve used mine on entries and standoffs. I think it’s a great perimeter optic, but not the best for CQB (IMHO). For that I would stick with an Aimpoint.

We had a barricaded subject in a green shack he called a house out in BFE. The amber triangle washed out a little when we lit the house up with light. Not a major problem. I could still see it and had irons under it. I would definitely prefer the red triangle, but I think I would have a better chance of getting a picture of Bigfoot first.

If you get one you won’t be unhappy if you understand its strengths and weaknesses.
Like a man…an optic’s got to know its limitations!

Ray
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 5:33:14 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:20:48 PM EST
I was under the impression that the Compact ACOG had a wider field of view than the full size ACOG. Something about it being a shorter tube even though it also has a smaller lense.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:38:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 7:40:13 PM EST by new-arguy]
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:39:57 PM EST
I'm a big fan.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 5:47:48 AM EST
I use a TA47-2 on a M4A2. I find it a great combination. I like it.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 6:33:30 PM EST
I don't have one yet, but I can think of one advantage the low powered compacts have over the red-dots.

Those of us with astigmatism. I used to have an Aimpoint. I sold it, not because of any defect in the sight, but because I have astigmatism and the red "dot" was a red oblong. Not a big deal at close range, but when I'm trying to use the top of the dot as an aiming point for precise shooting at 200 and 300 yds, it became a problem.

The ACOG reticles are sharp and clear. One of these days I'll get a low powered compact for a CQB rifle. Probably the 2x or 1.5x. I favor red over amber as I live in the desert and washout is an issue.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 7:28:00 PM EST
That same astigmatism will play hell with the shape of the triangle and trying to use the tip as an aiming point. I can turn the intensity down on my Aimpoint and the dot is round.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 2:01:56 AM EST
I have tried following Compact models

1.5x with dot and bac (in my personal use right now) very good choice for ranges 0-100 meter.
This sight sits on my AR-47 and mostly on my Ar-15 11" barreled flat top in competitions.

3x with triangle and bac, needs little more paractise for short range shooting
good for ranges 20-150 meters

3x with donut and bac, same opinion as above

2x with cross hair, good choice for 0-150 meters
All model I tried were special ring base models for flat top

Petri, you can send me some email and we can talk about this in Finnish.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 7:03:05 AM EST
I have a TA50-6 on my M4gery and to the naked brain, is just as easy to acquire targets within 7-100yds as the Aimpoint that I use to interchange it with.

My next M4gery will wear my TA50-6 and the Aimpoint will reside on the current gun.

I absolutely LOVE my Compact ACOG, what I love even more is the price of $180 that I paid for it.

It's fast.

It's compact.

It's an ACOG that is compact.

-Jim
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 3:09:30 PM EST
Compact ACOG is my most versatile optic. Have a 3X with red crosshair. Great for quick CQB shots, yet for !00+ yard shots you can really place your shots. Compact won't give you much eye relief, but on a AR15 that's not really an issue. Small and light weight make it ideal for M4. Plus it's a little cheaper than a full-size.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 3:27:19 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:06:36 PM EST
Does that mean that the TA-24 is more forgiving than the TA-40?
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:25:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:35:13 PM EST
Oh Yea - forgot to mention that - that's why I got the 1.5, I didn't want to hunt around for the crosshair. It does have a sweet spot though, if you're right on the body of the optic kinda disappears, but you can easily find a target with having to move your head back and forth - like a dot scope.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:10:50 AM EST
I stand corrected. Only have personal experience with 3X. Now that you mention it, I do remember reading that lower power compacts had better eye relief. I also agree specs. are a little conservative.

As I said before, even short eye relief hasn't been much of an issue for me cause I'm shooting .223. On a .308 or larger short eye relief would be more of a problem
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:11:41 AM EST
I think they're great!
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 10:53:16 PM EST
I love my 3x24 with red crosshair. Everyone who uses it loves it as well.
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