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Posted: 1/2/2006 3:59:09 PM EDT
Shot four rounds had four problems and had to quit shooting it.

2005 manufacture with NATO stamp on brass.



Link Posted: 1/2/2006 4:01:16 PM EDT
Wow. I'm at a loss for words.

Did you try anything else through your rifle at the range?
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 4:01:58 PM EDT
What kind of problems?
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 4:11:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2006 9:07:14 AM EDT by CRC]
Sure did.

I had a box of American Eagle 55 grain, a box of PMC 55 grain, a box of UMC 55 grain 1997 manufacture, a box of Remington/UMC 55 grain 2000 manufacture and a final box of Rem/UMC 55 grain 2005 manufacture.

All those brands and loads were flawless in every mag I could use (USGI aluminum 20 and 30 rounders).

I've even fired Winchester Q3131A in my gun- no problems.

I saw this at a gun store and grabbed a box thinking- great mil spec 55 grain is back!

4 rounds, 4 problems. Stuck cases and feeding problems.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 4:13:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/2/2006 4:14:27 PM EDT by CRC]
Only other problems I've had was with Wolf ammo.



Link Posted: 1/2/2006 4:23:02 PM EDT
I have some late 2004 Q3131 I haven't tried out yet. I'd better give it a whirl.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 5:26:02 PM EDT

i've had no problems with ~400 rounds of the "new" Q3131, with 04 and 05 headstamps.
rifles include a BM M4gery and a RECCE-ish thang with Denny's barrel + CMT upper atop a BM lower.

also see Zhukov's poll here:
ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=259226

ar-jedi




Link Posted: 1/2/2006 5:59:54 PM EDT
I did get a few boxes last week that had lots of different dates and stamping on the cases in the same box ( maybe 4 different stamps/years ) and some white residue on the cases. Haven't shot any of that yet, but have put several hundred rounds of other lots through my a1 clone and a4 clone with no problems at all.

Howard
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 6:52:36 PM EDT
I bought 7 boxes recently, shot a few rounds and had no issues so I put the rest of it up. It is lot number WK 66 IIRC. Headstamps were mixed 04 and 05.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 7:28:22 PM EDT
100 rounds and no problems. My stuff is marked '04
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 8:05:47 PM EDT
I have 600 rds of it.

Looks good, but I'll test it to be sure.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 8:18:40 PM EDT
I shot 400 today not even a hickup. Over 1000 in the last 3 weeks not 1 problem.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 8:42:01 PM EDT
no probs here, just shot 4 boxes tho
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 1:54:52 AM EDT
Do you have a 5.56 or .223 barrel? The brand of ammo your gun likes seems to be .223.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 8:04:55 AM EDT
210 rds. of 04 / 05 stuff...think my lot is like WH 09.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 8:36:54 AM EDT
Just shot 2 boxes. '04,'05 headstamp. Shot the first box slow to see what kind of group i could get. The second box I let rip as fast as I could. No problems at all.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 8:58:12 AM EDT
I've shot over 500 rounds of the stuff so far. No problems. Seems to be just as good as the old "A" variety.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 9:06:17 AM EDT
I shot Lot WL71

WWC 05 NATO stamp/symbol on brass

Code: CT373B E120681

Link Posted: 1/3/2006 9:10:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hatton007:
Do you have a 5.56 or .223 barrel? The brand of ammo your gun likes seems to be .223.



I shoot both (in 55 grain FMJ)

Link Posted: 1/3/2006 9:18:04 AM EDT
I picked up a few boxes at Academy before Christmas it was mixed 04 and 05. Hanven't had a chance to shoot it yet. Going to try and get out this week. I'll shoot a couple of boxes and see.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 11:44:28 AM EDT
I just put at least 330 rounds of it through my RR and never had a single problem with it.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:35:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
I shot Lot WL71

WWC 05 NATO stamp/symbol on brass

Code: CT373B E120681






<------------ runs to closet to check stockpile of new Q3131
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:49:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By Hatton007:
Do you have a 5.56 or .223 barrel? The brand of ammo your gun likes seems to be .223.



I shoot both (in 55 grain FMJ)




The question is:

Do you have a 5.56 NATO chamber or a .223 chamber on your rifle?
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 4:21:52 PM EDT
Run about 300 rounds through my Bushy and no problems.
Have you tried it out on another rifle?
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 4:39:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bchgunner:
Run about 300 rounds through my Bushy and no problems.
Have you tried it out on another rifle?



No.

Link Posted: 1/3/2006 4:39:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2006 4:42:09 PM EDT by CRC]

Originally Posted By Triple_D:

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By Hatton007:
Do you have a 5.56 or .223 barrel? The brand of ammo your gun likes seems to be .223.



I shoot both (in 55 grain FMJ)




The question is:

Do you have a 5.56 NATO chamber or a .223 chamber on your rifle?



I think 5.56 not sure

The ammo does not run in my gun BUT it may in yours.

Link Posted: 1/3/2006 4:50:55 PM EDT
What brand of barrel, and are there any markings on it?
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 5:02:13 PM EDT
No markings or brand. It was used and built up into a gun using RRA parts.

Link Posted: 1/3/2006 5:03:56 PM EDT
300 rounds downrange yesterday..no problems at all. 05 headstamp
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 6:11:41 PM EDT
Are you sure it was the new 05 or was it older stuff??
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 6:59:03 AM EDT
I bought 6 boxes of it at Academy a while back and haven't shot any yet. Four boxes are lot WL70 and two are WK31. I'll keep my eyes on it when I hit the range.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:14:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2006 9:16:41 AM EDT by CRC]
05 brass for sure.

Edit: I only shot 4 rounds out of 1 box. I still have 2 boxes I never opened/tested.

Link Posted: 1/6/2006 10:35:09 AM EDT
I'm not doubting your problems.

I was involved in a training program for our department, newly created Patrol rifle Program which involved 5 tow-day classes. We shot up over 50,000 rounds of the new Q3131.

All guns were new 16" Bushmasters.

I was on the firing line the entire time. I am only aware of 5 bad rounds. Casemouth slightly crushed about 1/8th in causing the round to not fully seat. We would have 1-2 cases of ammunition out of the boxes and dumped back into the cardboard case at any time (easier for 15 students to load up), so I can not tell if all of the bad rounds came from the same box/case. But the problems all showed up in the same afternoon...

Our initial purchase of 65,000 rounds does have the same lot#.

Once again, I am not doubting you had problems, but I have to say that from what I personally observed, I have no problems with the Q3131 loading.

Beat Trash
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:09:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WolfFox:
I picked up a few boxes at Academy before Christmas it was mixed 04 and 05. Hanven't had a chance to shoot it yet. Going to try and get out this week. I'll shoot a couple of boxes and see.

Update: I shot some today and they did fine!
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:58:55 PM EDT



Originally Posted By WolfFox:

Originally Posted By WolfFox:
I picked up a few boxes at Academy before Christmas it was mixed 04 and 05. Hanven't had a chance to shoot it yet. Going to try and get out this week. I'll shoot a couple of boxes and see.

Update: I shot some today and they did fine!



Cool!!
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 5:14:55 PM EDT
I have shot nearly a 1000 rounds of the new Q3131 ammo and have not had any issues. It functions just like the Q3131A in my rifles.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 9:13:52 AM EDT
I purchased and ran forty rounds through my rifle. My rifle ran all forty rounds with out any problems whatsoever. I will buy more.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 10:10:28 AM EDT
Did you have problems with the Q3131 before or after you used the Wolf ammo?
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 4:11:40 PM EDT
I just put 240 rounds down-range this afternoon, all '05 headstamp, lot WH03 purchased at Academy sports (last 12 boxes on the shelf) today, 1/7/06. All rounds fired normally, through a Bushmaster Modular Carbine.

I did see a technical bulletin on the Armalite web site in their tech section advising against the use of WWB Q3131 in their weapons due to a very high number of failure (non-specific) reports...
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 4:39:59 PM EDT



I did see a technical bulletin on the Armalite web site in their tech section advising against the use of WWB Q3131 in their weapons due to a very high number of failure (non-specific) reports...



I think that stemmed from a specific lot of the older Q3131 not the new Q3131.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 6:50:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Siglite:



I did see a technical bulletin on the Armalite web site in their tech section advising against the use of WWB Q3131 in their weapons due to a very high number of failure (non-specific) reports...



I think that stemmed from a specific lot of the older Q3131 not the new Q3131.



correct -- there were some 1999 lots of Q3131 that were FUBAR'd.
check the maryland AR15 shooters site for the specific lot numbers.

ar-jedi

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