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Posted: 8/25/2005 2:41:46 PM EDT
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From the archive archive.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=213394
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Posted: 8/25/2005 2:49:49 PM EDT
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The Wilson Combat is good quality but I believe you can spec out a better rifle or carbine for a great deal less money. Purchase a standard upper from Bushmaster and spend some of the money saved on upgrades and in the end you'll have better upper for less money... With Wilson Combat you pay a premium for the name on it or associated with it... YMMV... |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 2:52:43 PM EDT
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Is a Lexus worth the extra 20K?
Not exactly a perfect analogy, but the argument is the same. Wilson takes extra steps to enhance quality and give the owner comfort and confidence in knowing his weapon is built by skilled craftsmen, with an eye on performance and quality A great buy as an investment? ..........No as a high quality AR worthy of the Wilson Combat name? You bet! Many of the nay-sayers are the same who tout 9 dollar magazines as the shit, and home-built $500 ARs being - "just as good" IMHO |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 3:05:17 PM EDT
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I'm interested in function over anything else, and I wouldn't pay more simply for a name. The Wilson should be good function, as well as a good name.
redfisher- I would put some of my sub-500 ARs against a wilson without any hesitation. Cheap prices doesn't always mean cheap parts. 
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Posted: 8/25/2005 3:14:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2005 3:53:21 PM EDT
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Awsome first AR. Great factory gun backed by a service oriented company. Enjoy it.
Then come back and tell us. |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 4:13:05 PM EDT
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Pictures?
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Posted: 8/25/2005 4:15:14 PM EDT
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You've already made your purchase, and you seem cozy with your decision. Not much more to say.
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Posted: 8/25/2005 4:22:13 PM EDT
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Not many people around here have one of these things. Spend some time with it and give us an evaluation.
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Posted: 8/25/2005 4:24:08 PM EDT
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I dont own any, I have shot a few, and sold several at my job. I doubt you will have any problems with it. I expect it will be a very accurate gun too. Personally I would have rarher spent he high dollars on a custom upper from MSTN and put it on a quality lower. Their guns are also top quality, top dollar guns, but (IMO) they use better accessories.
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Posted: 8/25/2005 4:47:01 PM EDT
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If I was going to spend huge money on an AR, I'd rather have a KAC SR15, just me.
Wilson Combat does makes a quality rifle though. All I have heard is that Wilson Combat rifles are very well made with painstaking attention to detail. I'm sure it will be an excellent rifle. Wilson Combat M-4TAQ Tactical Carbine Model, w/Quad Rail, Armor-Tuff Finish, Black furniture (Includes FET) MSRP:$1884.00   Knights Armament Corporation SR-15 16" Carbine with M4 RAS MSRP: $1,575.00 (Impact Guns)  |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 5:14:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2005 5:26:15 PM EDT
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send them to [email protected] and I would be happy to host and post them for you. |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 5:27:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2005 5:30:38 PM EDT
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I'll be waiting
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Posted: 8/25/2005 5:36:01 PM EDT
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The picture was sent...I was wondering why I couldn't post them myself? Is it because I haven't upgraded my account to Team status? Or am I just ignorant on how to actually do it? Any help would be great. Thanks again.
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Posted: 8/25/2005 5:52:34 PM EDT
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That would be choice 2  Upload image and post using [ img]Place Image URL Here[/img ] Tags |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 5:53:34 PM EDT
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+1000 Nice rifle regardless |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 5:58:16 PM EDT
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In order to post your pictures ou need to have them hosted somewhere. Can you try to resend it. I got a .dat file and cannot open it.
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Posted: 8/25/2005 5:59:35 PM EDT
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Ya, let's get it on!!!!
 I love this topic. For a guy who can't/won't/doesn't want to build his own and wants a well made, very good looking AND overpriced gun, the Wilson Combat is the way to go. Or Les Baer for that matter. You will get a fully functional, nearly flawless rifle from either. Personally, if someone put me in an armlock and told me I had to spend the money, I'd overpay for a Colt before I got a Wilson. YMMV. In my time here, I've come to realize there are two distinct categories of "home built" rifles - there's the ones built on the cheap with questionable parts of unknown origin and there's the others build with quality parts by knowledgable people with the proper tools. Guess which ones run better????  I'd take one of my builds or Stickman's builds over any factory monkey built or custom shop rifle any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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Posted: 8/25/2005 6:09:13 PM EDT
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Sweet rifle
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Posted: 8/25/2005 6:10:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2005 6:15:03 PM EDT
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Interesting choice of rails for that weapon.
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Posted: 8/25/2005 6:20:54 PM EDT
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Take this FWIW, but I installed one of those rail systems and IMO, it is a POS. You think YHMs don't want to stay tight???? The only thing holding that rail in place is the knurled locking ring. At least with the YHM you can get a wrench on it. Loctite city, there. |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 6:21:15 PM EDT
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That picture you sent me was massive |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 6:24:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2005 6:25:28 PM EDT
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I made the pic better. Stickman and Mongo think you made a bad choice on your rail system. Those guys know their shit.
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Posted: 8/25/2005 6:27:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2005 6:42:44 PM EDT
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You paid top dollar to own a top weapon, but you ended up with something less than top of the line with the rail.
Like Mongo said, check it once it awhile and make sure it doesn't come loose. Most people baby their weapons and never really take them out and beat on them like tools, so it probably won't be an issue. I just think its very odd that they went with that rail. |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 6:44:18 PM EDT
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What rail is that?
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Posted: 8/25/2005 6:46:09 PM EDT
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Wilson may have something to do with the production of that rail, so they choose it. I don't know. For the money, the Daniel Defense, LaRue and Knight's rails are head and shoulders better than that, twice over. If you aren't a combat or competetive shooter, it will not be an issue. If you see yourself getting involved in some active shooting, I'd seriously consider changing that rail system. Who knows, it might do well. The friction locked rail systems can come loose very easily, especially if not secured with copious amounts of Loctite. |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 6:59:08 PM EDT
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See, thats sort of the point I was trying to make. If you didnt want to build your own, you could have paid one of the boards builders to build you a top quality upper for roughly the same price. The would have used better quality parts. the Yankee Hill front sight is not a bad sight, but it is not the sight I would expect to see on a high end custom made rifle like that. Same for the rail.
Had you gone to someone like MSTN, you would have gotten an upper made with a forend made by LaRue, Daniel Defense or Knights Armament, the front sight would have been PRI or Troy. Rear sight would have been Knights, Matech, or Troy. Barrel would have been Lilja, Douglas or Krieger, or a quality chrome lined if you choose. All better quality parts than what Wilson Combat used. Price would have been pretty similar I bet. Maybe even less. Im disapointed to see YHM parts on such an expensive gun. |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 7:01:59 PM EDT
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Very nice setup.ACOG, Surefire, Vortex. All top of the line stuff. Nice. YHM is OK stuff but I agree with New-ARguy that Wilson could have upped the ante on the sight/rail HG. I wouldn't worry about the fore-end/Front sight too much, if they don't work for you, easily upgraded. If they do, then you're all set. Anyway it's a done deal so why worry. Range report in order once you get to shoot her. |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 7:23:28 PM EDT
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Ditto. And Wilson also uses the non-milspec buffer tube and stock that just bugs the living shit out of me! If you ever want to upgrade to a VLTOR or LMT SOCOM (Crane), then you'll need to buy a new tube. The fact that anyone breaks from milspec on this part drives me crazy! Wilson uses a crappy rail. Do yourself a favor and spend another (I know it's hard to do that after you've just spent the money on that upper) $250 on a LaRue rail. You should've gone with MSTN, ADCO, Denny, Bravo Company, etc. dude.... I'd never buy a Wilson Combat AR15. Corey PS Now, if you're talking 1911, I'd be all over it. In fact, I have one on me as I type this. |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 8:14:57 PM EDT
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I like Wilson's myself , no matter what the nay sayers claim .
The fit and finish is top notch , the JP triggers are light and crisp and there is no wobble between the upper and lower . As for the rails or float tubes . Mine are still tight even with a VFG and hard use during 3 gun matches and a Tactical carbine class . Sure you can argue that the barrels are 1-9 and not chrome lined but you can't argue with their accuracy with all but the heaviest bullets . Even then it's debatable . Then you have " List Price " which should really be called suggested price because street price is always less . I know the two I have were significantly less when the money changed hands . If your happy with the weapon and it does what you ask of it then ya did good . Like I said , I like mine  |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 8:48:00 PM EDT
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Whats with the holes in the m4 stock? Or is that just paint or something?
*edit* I'm not talking about the SOCOM stock. |
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Posted: 8/26/2005 3:40:04 PM EDT
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For some reason the Wilson M4 stock has that hole in it. Don't know why. |
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Posted: 8/26/2005 6:09:00 PM EDT
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I imagine that they are using someone elses stock. Thats the spot where whatever companies logo goes. noticed that hole too and just figured they drilled out the other companies logo. That's, of course, just a W.A.G.
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Posted: 8/26/2005 6:29:38 PM EDT
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I hear you!For that kind of money why did you choose a Wilson with a questionable rail system over say....a Colt with a quality rail system  I have been building M1911's for years. Wilson is one of the premier M1911 manufactures and one of my favorite M1911 parts providers but when it comes to AR rifles and parts their LACKING as far as I'm concerned (considering the very high price)! |
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Posted: 8/26/2005 6:33:01 PM EDT
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That is a good guess. |
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Posted: 8/26/2005 7:18:01 PM EDT
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But we are familiar with the rails and sights. Which is why we're disapointed to hear a high priced AR builder is using at least some mid grade components. |
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Posted: 8/26/2005 7:19:31 PM EDT
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Don't be mistaken, many of us have NO problems "throwing down" large sums of money on AR's, we just tend to spend those large sums wisely on proven products that somewhat justify their high cost. 2K is a drop in the bucket compared to the total cost of an optioned out rig built with all top tier components. Difference being you've got 2K tied up in $1200 worth of AR. (but it is a very nice AR)That being said, I do love Baer and Wilson 1911's and if you're happy with your purchase and feel you got your dollars worth then that's all that really matters. 
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Posted: 8/26/2005 7:25:55 PM EDT
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Another good point. Believe me, some of the people who have responded have enough money in one gun to buy two of the Wilson guns. Ask me how I know!
When forking over these rather large amounts of money, its prudent for the buyer to get as much rifle as they can. I say this as an owner of several $3k+ rifles and a couple $4k rifles. Heck, Im about to drop $2k on a friggin scope. Just a scope! No mount, no rifle, no nothing but a 1-4 power scope!Agreed, there's a lot of frugal buyers on the site who will buy bottom of the barrel part and pieces to save $10. But there are more than our fair share of shooters who have no problems what so ever dropping a bundle on a gun or parts. Most of us who do, however, try to do so as wisely as possible so we're not just throwing money into the wind. |
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Posted: 8/26/2005 7:28:53 PM EDT
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Dont' get me wrong...i'm not trying to be offensive. I'm just qestioning the fact that they are not quality parts. Like I said...i've heard no complaints besides here online. Maybe you guys know more than those i've talked to...I really don't know. I also know you can always build something better piece by piece. That's why I build my own computers...you just can't get the best of everything when you buy all at once. So I know you guys are correct. I also know you can puchase a $10,000 Honda Civic and put $15,000 worth of upgrades on it and blow away a $50,000 Corvette...but in the end a Corvette is a Corvette and a Civic is a Civic. I'll take the Corvette. Just my .02. |
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Posted: 8/26/2005 7:31:35 PM EDT
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[Highjack on]S&B? Lucky bastard [/Highjack off]
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