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Posted: 6/14/2014 10:28:23 AM EDT
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I don't think there's a lot of hate for it as long as you use it for what it is which is cheap, dirty plinking ammo and usually doesn't do very good for shooting groups with. some have decent luck with it and others don't but as long as you have reasonable expectations you will be fine with it. it is what it is....
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Posted: 6/14/2014 10:39:40 AM EDT
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Reality not fullfilling expectations.
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Posted: 6/14/2014 10:42:40 AM EDT
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It's too weak to reliably cycle my 10" M16.
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Posted: 6/14/2014 11:42:27 AM EDT
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Quoted: I just do not understand the issue a lot of you have with Tula Ammo. I have shot many hundreds of rounds of Tula and it is not nearly as bad as a lot of you make it out to be. I mean come on at less that $6.00 a box it is really kind of hard to beat. Just my 2 cents... |
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Posted: 6/14/2014 11:44:28 AM EDT
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It's too weak to reliably cycle my 10" M16. Weird. Cycles my 10.5'' PSA upper just fine. Not full auto, but not a single issue. It wouldn't lock back my 18'' with rifle gas, but that was expected. |
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Posted: 6/14/2014 11:53:35 AM EDT
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After three boxes of Tulammo my AR looked like a .22 that hadn't been cleaned in 50 years.
I'd put it in the "emergency use only" category. |
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Posted: 6/14/2014 12:17:36 PM EDT
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After three boxes of Tulammo my AR looked like a .22 that hadn't been cleaned in 50 years. I'd put it in the "emergency use only" category. This. It's some dirty stuff. I normally only shoot about 3-400 rounds a rifle per range trip. J had never seen my gun as dirty as when shooting tula. |
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Posted: 6/14/2014 12:22:57 PM EDT
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Im with you op, I plink with it and rarely have an issue. It is inconsistent and sometimes underpowered to the point it will short stroke, but I don't mind an unexpected malfunction drill from time to time.
For the price, I'll shoot it, to each their own. |
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Posted: 6/14/2014 12:28:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weird. Cycles my 10.5'' PSA upper just fine. Not full auto, but not a single issue. It wouldn't lock back my 18'' with rifle gas, but that was expected. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's too weak to reliably cycle my 10" M16. Weird. Cycles my 10.5'' PSA upper just fine. Not full auto, but not a single issue. It wouldn't lock back my 18'' with rifle gas, but that was expected. Apples and Oranges my friend. When that selector slides back things change...
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Posted: 6/14/2014 12:45:39 PM EDT
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I value the ability of my rifle to work reliably with the most common rounds available. If it couldn't shoot Tula it wouldn't be my rifle of choice.
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Posted: 6/14/2014 1:32:36 PM EDT
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I just do not understand the issue a lot of you have with Tula Ammo. I have shot many hundreds of rounds of Tula and it is not nearly as bad as a lot of you make it out to be. I mean come on at less that $6.00 a box it is really kind of hard to beat. Just my 2 cents... Because there's over 600 fps difference between it and spec 5.56, so if you optimize a gun to run with 5.56 you may have issues with crap like Tula. Not to mention the pressure curve is all fucking weird. If you spec a gun to run with dogshit ammo, then it's going to beat the fuck out if itself with quality 5.56. A good example is the DD 10.3" uppers, they used to hog the ports out something fierce so it would run on crap, as a result they usually break lugs at 6k and I've seen the lugs go and barrels deadlined in under 4k. TANSTAAFL. also LOL at "hundreds of rounds" |
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Posted: 6/14/2014 3:00:16 PM EDT
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Once you get serious about shooting and start having the issues that everyone else is having you will understand.
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Posted: 6/14/2014 3:24:58 PM EDT
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I've put a couple K through my MP5, MP5K and a16" mid length upper on my M-16 without any issues. It's not as powerful as M-193, but it works for general blasting in my Machineguns.
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Posted: 6/14/2014 3:28:43 PM EDT
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I have seen short stroking issues in a friends rifle that ran fine on other ammo.
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Posted: 6/14/2014 9:29:27 PM EDT
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Works fine in my Glocks.
I choose to only feed my rifles with militarily useful ammunition, however. |
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Posted: 6/15/2014 4:17:04 AM EDT
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With brass cased 5.56/.223 approaching the $0.30 per round mark, the question is WHY would you even consider shooting dirty, unreliable, steel cased ammo?
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Posted: 6/15/2014 8:39:30 AM EDT
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With brass cased 5.56/.223 approaching the $0.30 per round mark, the question is WHY would you even consider shooting dirty, unreliable, steel cased ammo? Yep! The 0-3 cents a round I save vs shooting something like Wolf Gold isn't worth it. It's dirty, it's under powered, it may or may not cycle correctly, the bi-metal jacketing is harder on your barrel, especially on the AR I shoot most which isn't lined. |
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Posted: 6/15/2014 9:35:30 AM EDT
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I just do not understand the issue ------- I have shot many hundreds of rounds of Tula .------- Just my 2 cents... thats it. you have only shot hundreds of rounds. that is a typical days shooting for a lot of us. its simply weak , shit. some guns run it , some dont. |
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Posted: 6/15/2014 9:48:07 AM EDT
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Save your 2 cents for the new barrel you'll need soon.......................
http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/ |
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Posted: 6/15/2014 4:33:56 PM EDT
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Use a Heavier Buffer Like a 4.5 oz. and upgrade your Extractor. This has help me out with short stroking ammo like Tula.
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Posted: 6/15/2014 7:25:27 PM EDT
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Use a Heavier Buffer Like a 4.5 oz. and upgrade your Extractor. This has help me out with short stroking ammo like Tula. Isn't the conventional wisdom the heavier the buffer, the harder it is to get lower power ammo to cycle reliably? |
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Posted: 6/15/2014 10:28:33 PM EDT
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Use a Heavier Buffer Like a 4.5 oz. and upgrade your Extractor. This has help me out with short stroking ammo like Tula. I don't see how a heavier buffer and an upgraded extractor will have any positive effect on short stroking at all. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 2:41:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't see how a heavier buffer and an upgraded extractor will have any positive effect on short stroking at all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Use a Heavier Buffer Like a 4.5 oz. and upgrade your Extractor. This has help me out with short stroking ammo like Tula. I don't see how a heavier buffer and an upgraded extractor will have any positive effect on short stroking at all. Most guns are wildly over gassed, which is why heavy buffers are always a nice fix to issues that have nothing to do with weak ammo, but more with the mechanics of the gun.
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Posted: 6/16/2014 2:50:06 AM EDT
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Anytime you mention "Russian steel cased ammo runs fine in your AR" you get attacked by the LGS KIA crowd. You may as well be questioning "Global Warming"(another joke)."You deny the science" They have charts, graphs and video's to make their point. "Your ruining your barrel and extractor" "It's not reliable, accurate or powerful enough" "the steel case swells , the lacquer melts, the polymer melts" Oh yea, they contribute to global warming. Did I miss anything?
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Posted: 6/16/2014 2:51:24 AM EDT
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Only in my AK.
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Posted: 6/16/2014 7:40:43 AM EDT
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With brass cased 5.56/.223 approaching the $0.30 per round mark, the question is WHY would you even consider shooting dirty, unreliable, steel cased ammo? Where are you buying brass cased ammo for 30 cents a round the cheapest I have seen it is more like 46 cents a round. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 7:42:44 AM EDT
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thats it. you have only shot hundreds of rounds. that is a typical days shooting for a lot of us. its simply weak , shit. some guns run it , some dont. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just do not understand the issue ------- I have shot many hundreds of rounds of Tula .------- Just my 2 cents... thats it. you have only shot hundreds of rounds. that is a typical days shooting for a lot of us. its simply weak , shit. some guns run it , some dont. just this weekend I put 400 rounds through my AR in one range session and I had not one malfunction. I shoot 4-500 rounds a week and most of that if not all is Tula Ammo. Again my rifle eats it up with no problems. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 7:53:13 AM EDT
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Save your 2 cents for the new barrel you'll need soon....................... http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/ I just read an article about this very subject not sure where I came across it though I will try to find it. It consisted of firing 30,000 rounds of steel cased ammo Tula, Brown Bear Wolf etc... and firing 30000 rounds of brass ammo from federal PMC etc. The cost was quite different than firing Brass ammo. The average cost of the steel ammo was .28 cents per round and the average cost of the Brass ammo was .46 cents per round. Now lets do the math... 30k x .28 cents is 8400.00 dollars 30k x .46 cents is13,800.00 dollars difference of 5400.00 dollars. Now I do not know about you but that 5400 dollars will buy a lot of barrels if needed. Oh and buy the way in this test the 2 barrels were cut in half and examined both needed to be replaced and the Steel barrel was worse off with only about 30 percent of it's rifling intact compared to 46 percent of the rifling intact on the rifle fed only brass ammo. Again not much of a difference and the cost saving of shooting steel more than paid for a new barrel. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 12:52:15 PM EDT
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Where are you buying brass cased ammo for 30 cents a round the cheapest I have seen it is more like 46 cents a round. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With brass cased 5.56/.223 approaching the $0.30 per round mark, the question is WHY would you even consider shooting dirty, unreliable, steel cased ammo? Where are you buying brass cased ammo for 30 cents a round the cheapest I have seen it is more like 46 cents a round. Federal .223 has been $299.99 at one LGS here in GA for about two weeks now. Prices on everything else drop by the week. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 1:28:26 PM EDT
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I only buy the 7.62x39mm for my AKs. No problems
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Posted: 6/16/2014 2:54:20 PM EDT
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Life is too short to shoot shitty ammo
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Posted: 6/16/2014 3:25:18 PM EDT
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I just read an article about this very subject not sure where I cam across it though I will try to find it. It consisted of firing 30,000 rounds of steel cased ammo Tula, Brown Bear Wolf etc... and firing 30000 rounds of brass ammo from federal PMC etc. The cost was quite different than firing Brass ammo. The average cost of the steel ammo was .28 cents per round and the average cost of the Brass ammo was .46 cents per round. Now lets do the math... 30k x .28 cents is 8400.00 dollars 30k x .46 cents is13,800.00 dollars difference of 5400.00 dollars. Now I do not know about you but that 5400 dollars will buy a lot of barrels if needed. Oh and buy the way in this test the 2 barrels were cut in half and examined both needed to be replaced and the Steel barrel was worse off with only about 30 percent of it's rifling intact compared to 46 percent of the rifling intact on the rifle fed only brass ammo. Again not much of a difference and the cost saving of shooting steel more than paid for a new barrel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Save your 2 cents for the new barrel you'll need soon....................... http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/ I just read an article about this very subject not sure where I cam across it though I will try to find it. It consisted of firing 30,000 rounds of steel cased ammo Tula, Brown Bear Wolf etc... and firing 30000 rounds of brass ammo from federal PMC etc. The cost was quite different than firing Brass ammo. The average cost of the steel ammo was .28 cents per round and the average cost of the Brass ammo was .46 cents per round. Now lets do the math... 30k x .28 cents is 8400.00 dollars 30k x .46 cents is13,800.00 dollars difference of 5400.00 dollars. Now I do not know about you but that 5400 dollars will buy a lot of barrels if needed. Oh and buy the way in this test the 2 barrels were cut in half and examined both needed to be replaced and the Steel barrel was worse off with only about 30 percent of it's rifling intact compared to 46 percent of the rifling intact on the rifle fed only brass ammo. Again not much of a difference and the cost saving of shooting steel more than paid for a new barrel. Well you asked about the negativity around Tula and the link I posted (Sorry it's not live) answers it! Read the article I linked.................... Love Tula if you like- hate it if you want. If you do actually read the article- you'll understand the comment I made. ...................and you won't have to look for this other article you mention. What I don't need to do is your math quiz- I already know the answer. It sounds like you want to justify your decision, so go ahead you are justified- shoot all the Tula you want. :) It's your rifle, money and ammunition. PS- Your prices are off....................... http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammunition/223-556mm Point is still the same though................... :) |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:25:21 AM EDT
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I believe Wolf had Tula contracts and Tula lost it's contract, that's one reason why we saw TULA in it's own packaging. VERY poor ammo. We have shot 380acp(tula) and it would not penetrate an EMPTY plastic 16oz. water bottle at 20 paces!!!!
 . However, their 223 will be fine for teaching "two to the chest one to the head" at 25yds or less. Also, steel cases with BOXER primers can be reloaded, making Tula a worthwhile purchase for close range practice.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 4:01:41 PM EDT
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I don't run Tula for the same reason I don't fill up with the cheapest lowest grade garbage gas I can find. Sure, a few tanks won't really hurt anything besides gas mileage. Use the same shit gas for the life of the car and you will have regrets.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 5:01:10 PM EDT
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Don't know. Runs great in my M&P 15. And IMO whenever you are blowing something up at 55000psi residual crap is going to go everywhere. There is always residual crap - no matter who made the powder. If you want your gun clean, clean it.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 7:27:10 PM EDT
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Where are you buying brass cased ammo for 30 cents a round the cheapest I have seen it is more like 46 cents a round. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With brass cased 5.56/.223 approaching the $0.30 per round mark, the question is WHY would you even consider shooting dirty, unreliable, steel cased ammo? Where are you buying brass cased ammo for 30 cents a round the cheapest I have seen it is more like 46 cents a round. http://ammunitionstore.com/products/223-ammo-55gr-fmj-wolf-gold-brass-case-boxer-primed-1000-round-case.html .32/round and it's damn good stuff too. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 6:27:47 AM EDT
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http://ammunitionstore.com/products/223-ammo-55gr-fmj-wolf-gold-brass-case-boxer-primed-1000-round-case.html .32/round and it's damn good stuff too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With brass cased 5.56/.223 approaching the $0.30 per round mark, the question is WHY would you even consider shooting dirty, unreliable, steel cased ammo? Where are you buying brass cased ammo for 30 cents a round the cheapest I have seen it is more like 46 cents a round. http://ammunitionstore.com/products/223-ammo-55gr-fmj-wolf-gold-brass-case-boxer-primed-1000-round-case.html .32/round and it's damn good stuff too. It actually works out to about 36 cents a round when you include shipping Still a fair price though but it is still 10 cents more a round than Tula which equals $100.00 more a case for that particular ammo. |
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