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Posted: 10/16/2016 5:12:22 PM EDT
Hey guys I'm helping someone try to ID this stock.
Looks like a MARS stock,,, but no was that's what it is. Any ideas? 
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Posted: 10/16/2016 6:35:30 PM EDT
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Looks like a MARS stock to me. The dab of touch up paint on the castle nut and end-plate adds a little bit to it's authenticity. But can't really tell if it's actually a MARS stock or a really good clone. Here's a pic of an actual Colt MARS posted by one of the members here when it was on display at the show in PA.
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Posted: 10/16/2016 6:42:52 PM EDT
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He said it does not appear to be cut. But has no " N1"
On the stock . And it came from knob creek |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 9:31:00 PM EDT
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I know what is is, how much he probably paid for it and who he got it from
It is an LWRC stock they did before the UCIW and he got it from Kurt at US Armament. I believe it uses the proprietary buffer and spring which he will have to order from LWRC but it is pretty reasonably priced. How do I know? 
Because I have the same one bought from the same guy and I know he was at Knob Creek Yes, my buffer tube is different but that's because I swapped it out to the one in the pic before I bought it. I'm just happy to definitively know an answer to something here! 
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Posted: 10/16/2016 9:40:34 PM EDT
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He also had some of these that I kind of wanted
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Posted: 10/16/2016 9:53:54 PM EDT
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Thanks man!
And those uppers pretty cool |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 11:13:25 PM EDT
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No problem, they are cool stocks and why I picked one up too. He will need to call LWRC and order the buffer and spring for the UCIW stock but it's not horribly priced.
The uppers are cool but Kurt advised my friend not to buy one as they were rejects from production and used a "wide feed lower" whatever the hell that means 
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Posted: 10/16/2016 11:37:01 PM EDT
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No problem, they are cool stocks and why I picked one up too. He will need to call LWRC and order the buffer and spring for the UCIW stock but it's not horribly priced. The uppers are cool but Kurt advised my friend not to buy one as they were rejects from production and used a "wide feed lower" whatever the hell that means Well I guess you need to build a MARS clone now, lol I.., don't know what a wide feed upper is. I've heard of wide Ejection uppers but not wide feed |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 11:51:04 PM EDT
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I'm thinking of doing one of my infamous "retro inspired" builds with it.
I was thinking perhaps one of the PSA 9mm lowers with that stock would look kind of close but the big problem is the mag will not look correct at all. Another is it would mean me SBRing another lower 
The other thing is I would have to get a custom buffer made to get the correct length and weight. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 12:17:53 AM EDT
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I'm thinking of doing one of my infamous "retro inspired" builds with it. I was thinking perhaps one of the PSA 9mm lowers with that stock would look kind of close but the big problem is the mag will not look correct at all. Another is it would mean me SBRing another lower
The other thing is I would have to get a custom buffer made to get the correct length and weight. Ya trying to make a true MARS clone... Would be involved |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 3:07:42 AM EDT
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Ya trying to make a true MARS clone... Would be involved Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm thinking of doing one of my infamous "retro inspired" builds with it. I was thinking perhaps one of the PSA 9mm lowers with that stock would look kind of close but the big problem is the mag will not look correct at all. Another is it would mean me SBRing another lower
The other thing is I would have to get a custom buffer made to get the correct length and weight. Ya trying to make a true MARS clone... Would be involved A MARS clone chambered in 22TCM would be awesome! |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 8:25:25 AM EDT
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A MARS clone chambered in 22TCM would be awesome! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm thinking of doing one of my infamous "retro inspired" builds with it. I was thinking perhaps one of the PSA 9mm lowers with that stock would look kind of close but the big problem is the mag will not look correct at all. Another is it would mean me SBRing another lower
The other thing is I would have to get a custom buffer made to get the correct length and weight. Ya trying to make a true MARS clone... Would be involved A MARS clone chambered in 22TCM would be awesome! My thought was 30 carbine. Only because you wouldn't have To mag mags... Assuming they would work in the lower |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 10:34:15 AM EDT
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Those uppers are probably LWRC also. Duh, it says LWRC on the upper :)
They have a proprietary upper and lower that is wider to feed the 6.8 more reliably. The LWRC SIX8 https://www.lwrci.com/p-332-m68-spr.aspx |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 11:22:43 AM EDT
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Well this is kind of interesting link
They show a complete 22TCM upper and make mention of barrels and mag blocks for M1 carbine mags. Hmm... |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 8:41:47 PM EDT
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Did they have any more of those stocks for sale?
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Posted: 10/17/2016 9:19:49 PM EDT
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I got one from him about a month ago and he does not have a retail shop, doesn't ship and the closest show to me he goes to is about an hour and a half away and not until December. I can try and check for you if you're patient.
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Posted: 10/17/2016 10:59:50 PM EDT
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I got one from him about a month ago and he does not have a retail shop, doesn't ship and the closest show to me he goes to is about an hour and a half away and not until December. I can try and check for you if you're patient. That would be great, thanks! |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 12:27:19 PM EDT
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What is the OAL?
One of my M231 buffers may work in it (or could be made to work) |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 4:13:22 PM EDT
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What tube is being used? I'm assuming shorter than normal...
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:21:50 PM EDT
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any way to get ahold of the guy selling those Saudi 6.8 uppers?
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Posted: 10/19/2016 9:33:30 PM EDT
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What is the OAL? One of my M231 buffers may work in it (or could be made to work) I do not have a buffer in hand for it but should be the same one as the UCIW. I need to order one for some stocks I have anyway and do have one of your 231 buffers here so can do a side by side once I get it. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 9:34:52 PM EDT
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What tube is being used? I'm assuming shorter than normal... Yes, it is shorter and I will get you measurements tomorrow when I get home. It is the same tube as the UCIW stock. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 11:55:58 PM EDT
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Yes, it is shorter and I will get you measurements tomorrow when I get home. It is the same tube as the UCIW stock. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What tube is being used? I'm assuming shorter than normal... Yes, it is shorter and I will get you measurements tomorrow when I get home. It is the same tube as the UCIW stock. Awesome. I have an M4 stock with a chopped toe I want to cut down in the other direction.  Thanks! How you been? I don't get her much anymore.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 1:21:57 AM EDT
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Doing pretty well man and don't be a stranger!
If I would have known how popular these stocks would be I would have bought all of them he had! He had maybe 4-5 last show I saw him at but I don't know how many he may have had back at his shop. The reason I didn't get more was I figured the buffer and spring issue would have been more hassle than people would want to deal with. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 9:25:22 AM EDT
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I do not have a buffer in hand for it but should be the same one as the UCIW. I need to order one for some stocks I have anyway and do have one of your 231 buffers here so can do a side by side once I get it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is the OAL? One of my M231 buffers may work in it (or could be made to work) I do not have a buffer in hand for it but should be the same one as the UCIW. I need to order one for some stocks I have anyway and do have one of your 231 buffers here so can do a side by side once I get it. Let me know. I could shorthen it to make it work. Every other caliber works with this spring/buffer. Adjust the weight for whatever the MARS round needs. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 11:11:11 AM EDT
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Doing pretty well man and don't be a stranger! If I would have known how popular these stocks would be I would have bought all of them he had! He had maybe 4-5 last show I saw him at but I don't know how many he may have had back at his shop. The reason I didn't get more was I figured the buffer and spring issue would have been more hassle than people would want to deal with. Well, you know us here on the retro board, we'll take on any weird project... I've been really busy - finished my 3rd book, (another WWII thriller) and am trying to get a traditional book deal for it. Nearly done with my 4th book, (literary) am re-editing my 1st (literary), and am about 100 pages into another historical thriller that is a 'prequel' to 'House of Apache Fires'. Plus I've been remodeling, so not much time for guns lately, although I'm putting a Recce together in the next few weeks. Have everything I need. I drop in here from time to time and lurk... Anyone gets a MARS prototype together, I'd love to see it!
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Posted: 10/20/2016 11:19:43 AM EDT
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Doing pretty well man and don't be a stranger! If I would have known how popular these stocks would be I would have bought all of them he had! He had maybe 4-5 last show I saw him at but I don't know how many he may have had back at his shop. The reason I didn't get more was I figured the buffer and spring issue would have been more hassle than people would want to deal with. I'm thinking just use this stock on the LWRC ultra compact stock system. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 9:36:45 PM EDT
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That's the one I think it was intended for but not available "off the shelf" and requires ordering direct from LWRC. I forget what price they told me but it was pretty reasonable.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:35:41 PM EDT
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I wonder if the JP capture spring from Maxim Defense would work in this stock, would give a few more options with weight.
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Posted: 10/24/2016 5:54:51 PM EDT
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So these don't have Colt N 1 markings? They just look like regular fiberlites that have been cut down. Would be pretty simple to replicate. Canada tried something similar for a PDW project that never really went anywhere.
ETA: After taking a closer look at the photos these look like M&A based on the rear sling loop. That explains the lack of markings. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 10:14:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Pro2ndAm
Looks like a MARS stock to me. The dab of touch up paint on the castle nut and end-plate adds a little bit to it's authenticity. But can't really tell if it's actually a MARS stock or a really good clone. Here's a pic of an actual Colt MARS posted by one of the members here when it was on display at the show in PA.
hmmm looks like the front of a magwell cut and grafted with a little in the middle missing, im pretty sure we have folks here that are very capable of doing such and looks to be pretty much the same with the mag |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 11:42:11 AM EDT
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Sorry, work was keeping me busy and finally remembered to pull the stock out and take measurements as promised.
Buffer tube is 6 1/8" end to end |
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