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Posted: 8/14/2008 5:27:21 PM EST
Alright,
My middy is gradually coming together. I'd like to know what y'all recommend for a stock when it comes to balancing the rifle? I have a VLTOR on my M4-gery and it's nice. I really like the looks of the CTR, but I can't help but think it's too light for a 16" middy and would make it seem nose heavy. What other recommendations would you have?
Link Posted: 8/14/2008 5:44:14 PM EST
I used a A1.


Link Posted: 8/14/2008 6:19:25 PM EST
I like my 6 position collapsible just fine. I wish I had a CTR though.
Link Posted: 8/14/2008 7:45:59 PM EST
CTR or SOPMOD. I have SOPMODs on both of my carbines; one is an M4gery the other is a mid-length. Place a vertical fore grip on the handguards or rails. It will definitely help with balance.
Link Posted: 8/14/2008 7:50:18 PM EST
CTR all the way. I does not make a midlength nose heavy, IMO. I have one on my 20" AR, and it's not nose heavy, either.
Link Posted: 8/14/2008 7:59:49 PM EST
I have a ctr on my lw midlength and it is perfect.
Link Posted: 8/14/2008 8:04:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/15/2008 10:07:00 AM EST by N2CH_556]
I have a CTR on my gov profile 14.5" middy and it's fine.

I could have probably done fine with a CAR stock (lighter and cheaper). That's what's going on my next build, anyway.

ETA: I used to run an old M16A1 (like the one posted above) on my middy, but things seem much faster (more handy) with the CTR.
Link Posted: 8/14/2008 8:19:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By JohnRippert:
I used a A1.


img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/johnrippert/CMMGmidlength1.jpg


+1
Link Posted: 8/14/2008 8:23:43 PM EST
A midlength cant weigh much more than a m4 can it?
Link Posted: 8/14/2008 8:46:08 PM EST



Normal collapsible works. Nothing fancy.
Link Posted: 8/14/2008 8:47:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/14/2008 8:47:34 PM EST by john575]
Link Posted: 8/14/2008 8:53:24 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/15/2008 3:15:09 AM EST
This will definitely NOT be the popular choice but these stocks are very solid. This is my Rock River Middy.

Stock is an ACE ARFX

Link Posted: 8/15/2008 3:39:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By knight_dive:

Originally Posted By JohnRippert:
I used a A1.


img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/johnrippert/CMMGmidlength1.jpg


+1


+2
Link Posted: 8/15/2008 3:45:38 AM EST
Just to add...it's a Sabre Middy with a DD 9.0" light rail.
Link Posted: 8/15/2008 3:49:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By Ian02:
This will definitely NOT be the popular choice but these stocks are very solid. This is my Rock River Middy.

Stock is an ACE ARFX

i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb218/iannersesian/100_1074.jpg


I have the ACE ARFX on my Middy as well. For me, it's the perfect length and balance. I love it.
Link Posted: 8/15/2008 4:23:42 AM EST
CTR
Link Posted: 8/15/2008 4:36:12 AM EST
I've used an A1 and a ACE adjustable on my midlength, both feel great. I prefer the A1.
Link Posted: 8/15/2008 8:11:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/15/2008 8:11:45 AM EST by airgunner]

Originally Posted By JohnRippert:
I used a A1.

+1 - For balance, both visually and weight wise, I found an A1 length stock is the best choice for a 16" middy. If I had to or needed to have a collapsible stock, it would be with a UBR because of its added weight and fixed stock like consistent cheek weld.

I do love the CTR stock and have a couple of them but not for a 16" middy. Makes the weapon way too out of balance (front heavy) for my tastes. I'll take an 8lb balanced rifle over a 7-7.5lb front heavy rifle any day.
Link Posted: 8/15/2008 8:46:58 AM EST

VLTOR EMOD stock




EMOD stock on my midlength with 9" FF rails


For midlength with rails I would suggest the Vltor EMOD, I've tried my CTR on my midlength and it felt too front heavy, the EMOD or any heavier stock should balance it out better.
Link Posted: 8/15/2008 9:24:07 AM EST
I agree about the emod. I prefer those to the CTR, which I tend to run on my 16" and 14.5" pinned carbines.
Link Posted: 8/15/2008 9:45:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By RevMetric:

Originally Posted By Ian02:
This will definitely NOT be the popular choice but these stocks are very solid. This is my Rock River Middy.

Stock is an ACE ARFX

i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb218/iannersesian/100_1074.jpg


I have the ACE ARFX on my Middy as well. For me, it's the perfect length and balance. I love it.


I have the same stock on my 24" SUM rifle, i love it. So much that I got a stubby version for my next build.

My middy wears a M93A2 stock in OD
Link Posted: 8/15/2008 10:04:36 AM EST
Another vote for the ACE ARFX. Who cares what's popular or not. Most retractable stocks sold are purchased for their "tacti-cool" feature, nothing else.
Link Posted: 8/15/2008 10:07:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By JohnRippert:
I used a A1.

They look good, and also balance good. +1.
Link Posted: 8/15/2008 10:11:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By JohnRippert:
I used a A1.


img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/johnrippert/CMMGmidlength1.jpg


Other than the FH, that is exactly how I want my next build to be. Very nice.
Link Posted: 8/15/2008 2:34:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/15/2008 3:02:01 PM EST by emgr3]

Originally Posted By Rescue43:

Originally Posted By JohnRippert:
I used a A1.

They look good, and also balance good. +1.


Who makes A1 stocks nowadays? Is CavArms the only one?
Link Posted: 8/15/2008 4:10:04 PM EST
Sherluk has complete A1 buttstocks. (They're a listed source in the Retro Forum)
Link Posted: 8/15/2008 4:18:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/15/2008 4:22:04 PM EST by 80sgyrene]

Originally Posted By john575:


Very helpful for the OP i'm sure.

It all depends upon whether you want a fixed or collapsable and your shooting style. What length of pull are you looking for?

I think the Vltor Emod is a great stock for just about any AR out there.


Edit to add- I wish Magpul still made the 93, haven't handled a UBR yet but the 93 was/is my favorite for ANY configuration.
Link Posted: 8/15/2008 4:34:59 PM EST
I like the CTR, but I really like the balance of the UBR on my 16" midlength. Even though its heavier, it just feels better to me.
Link Posted: 8/16/2008 7:32:25 AM EST
Im using a LMT M4 type stock. It works fine.
Link Posted: 8/16/2008 8:40:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By 80sgyrene:

Originally Posted By john575:


Very helpful for the OP i'm sure.

It all depends upon whether you want a fixed or collapsable and your shooting style. What length of pull are you looking for?

I think the Vltor Emod is a great stock for just about any AR out there.


Edit to add- I wish Magpul still made the 93, haven't handled a UBR yet but the 93 was/is my favorite for ANY configuration.


I may have to check out the Emod. I have a "regular" VLTOR on my LMT M4gery and it's nice and solid. FWIW, I do want a collapsable stock, and I normally shoot NTCH.
Link Posted: 8/17/2008 1:10:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By emgr3:

Originally Posted By Rescue43:

Originally Posted By JohnRippert:
I used a A1.

They look good, and also balance good. +1.


Who makes A1 stocks nowadays? Is CavArms the only one?


I don't know if anyone other than Cav Arms is currently making A1 stocks, but you will get a quality piece from Cav and you have your pick of colors
Link Posted: 8/17/2008 3:36:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By Alpha-Romeo3:
i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Alpha-Romeo3/Hunting%20Operator/COLT6721VltorEMOD-RH-CU-ASF-8X6.jpg
VLTOR EMOD stock



i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Alpha-Romeo3/Hunting%20Operator/C6721OPERATOR_PADVCAS_L241_AAF.jpg
EMOD stock on my midlength with 9" FF rails


For midlength with rails I would suggest the Vltor EMOD, I've tried my CTR on my midlength and it felt too front heavy, the EMOD or any heavier stock should balance it out better.



My experience has shown me the exact same thing. I run an E-mod on my mid-length as well and it's the perfect balance for me.
Link Posted: 8/17/2008 4:03:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By WilsonCQB1911:

Originally Posted By Alpha-Romeo3:
i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Alpha-Romeo3/Hunting%20Operator/COLT6721VltorEMOD-RH-CU-ASF-8X6.jpg
VLTOR EMOD stock



i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Alpha-Romeo3/Hunting%20Operator/C6721OPERATOR_PADVCAS_L241_AAF.jpg
EMOD stock on my midlength with 9" FF rails


For midlength with rails I would suggest the Vltor EMOD, I've tried my CTR on my midlength and it felt too front heavy, the EMOD or any heavier stock should balance it out better.



My experience has shown me the exact same thing. I run an E-mod on my mid-length as well and it's the perfect balance for me.


How is your middy set up?
Link Posted: 8/17/2008 5:28:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By Trumpet:

Originally Posted By 80sgyrene:

Originally Posted By john575:


Very helpful for the OP i'm sure.

It all depends upon whether you want a fixed or collapsable and your shooting style. What length of pull are you looking for?

I think the Vltor Emod is a great stock for just about any AR out there.


Edit to add- I wish Magpul still made the 93, haven't handled a UBR yet but the 93 was/is my favorite for ANY configuration.


I may have to check out the Emod. I have a "regular" VLTOR on my LMT M4gery and it's nice and solid. FWIW, I do want a collapsable stock, and I normally shoot NTCH.


Sounds like an Emod would be perfect. Do I see one in your future......
Link Posted: 8/17/2008 7:01:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By Trumpet:

Originally Posted By WilsonCQB1911:

Originally Posted By Alpha-Romeo3:
i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Alpha-Romeo3/Hunting%20Operator/COLT6721VltorEMOD-RH-CU-ASF-8X6.jpg
VLTOR EMOD stock



i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Alpha-Romeo3/Hunting%20Operator/C6721OPERATOR_PADVCAS_L241_AAF.jpg
EMOD stock on my midlength with 9" FF rails


For midlength with rails I would suggest the Vltor EMOD, I've tried my CTR on my midlength and it felt too front heavy, the EMOD or any heavier stock should balance it out better.



My experience has shown me the exact same thing. I run an E-mod on my mid-length as well and it's the perfect balance for me.


How is your middy set up?


Link Posted: 10/17/2008 3:52:59 AM EST
What about a SOPMOD?
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 4:13:02 AM EST

Had a CTR, tried an A2 and never went back. Just seems to balance a little bit better for me, personally. Especially after the railed FF went on.
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 4:26:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By DCN1982:
Had a CTR, tried an A2 and never went back. Just seems to balance a little bit better for me, personally. Especially after the railed FF went on.


Not a fan of the A2. I thought I read somewhere that the DD middy lite rail makes it lighter than if I had "regular" HG's.
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 4:35:31 AM EST
UBR or if money is an issue, EMod
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 4:40:49 AM EST
I'd love to put UBRs on my ARs but hell for the cost of a few of those your in "New Gun" territory...makes it hard for me. Personally, I'd go to AIM surplus and get a few of their CMMG mil spec buffer assemblies and a couple of Magpul MOEs. Nice setup and won't break the bank.
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 10:08:09 AM EST
It all depends on your barrel, rails and accessories you have on your rifle.

I got a CMMG LW with DD Lite 9. Tried the UBR on it and it felt rear heavy. Shouldnt be a major problem though. But going to try a CTR on it and see if i like it better.
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 10:20:35 AM EST
I'm a big fan of the Sully stock, they're a good compromise between a collapsible stock and a the A1 stock imo.

I plan on getting one for a KISS build I'm hoping to make in the near future.
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 10:36:46 AM EST
How much does the Sully stock weigh? I've always been intrigued by them.
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 10:24:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By Trumpet:
How much does the Sully stock weigh? I've always been intrigued by them.


According to this site......
groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/stocks.msnw


The Sully stock weighs 17.75oz which does not include receiver extension nor CAR buffer which adds 8oz. The stock also comes with an optional extension which weighs 7oz.
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 10:46:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By Alpha-Romeo3:
i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Alpha-Romeo3/Hunting%20Operator/COLT6721VltorEMOD-RH-CU-ASF-8X6.jpg
VLTOR EMOD stock



i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Alpha-Romeo3/Hunting%20Operator/C6721OPERATOR_PADVCAS_L241_AAF.jpg
EMOD stock on my midlength with 9" FF rails


For midlength with rails I would suggest the Vltor EMOD, I've tried my CTR on my midlength and it felt too front heavy, the EMOD or any heavier stock should balance it out better.




+1 on the EMod.

Used one on my 16" BCM midlength w/ troy rail and a light/vfg setup and she balances just right...
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