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Posted: 9/15/2005 12:12:54 AM EDT
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Collapsible or A1.
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Posted: 9/15/2005 12:13:33 AM EDT
[#2]
Stubby stock
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Posted: 9/15/2005 12:16:38 AM EDT
[#3]
M4-type stock. Still simple and relatively inexpensive, but adds a little versatility. To me for a 16" gun, the A2 is too long.
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Posted: 9/15/2005 12:20:46 AM EDT
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Two reasons why I am considering the A2: seems sturdier than a collapsible stock, and I tried one on my M4gery once and it balanced really well (may be good since the midlength will be a little more front heavy). Comes back to the KISS principle I guess--no moving parts in the A2 stock to break.
Never tried an A1, but I'm pretty tall. Although I admit that my M4 stock on my M4gery is usually halfway collapsed when I'm using it. |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 12:23:14 AM EDT
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If you're looking for a solid but short stock, you might look into a Sully stock.
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Posted: 9/15/2005 12:31:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2005 8:04:55 AM EDT
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A1 length fixed stock, no question about it. I'm 6'2" and the A1's fits me like a glove and balances perfectly on a 16" middy. Want proof?....  
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Posted: 9/15/2005 8:08:16 AM EDT
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M16A1. Cheap, right length, and plenty strong.
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Posted: 9/15/2005 1:55:10 PM EDT
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Is the A1 built just like the A2 only shorter? The few A1s i've seen seemed like cheap plastic.
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Posted: 9/15/2005 1:59:33 PM EDT
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I was going to say fixed A1-length VLTOR, until you said...
... so now I'll just say basic A1. 
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Posted: 9/15/2005 2:05:37 PM EDT
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Hrmmmmm, I'd say either the M4 (pretty sturdy) or the A2 (very sturdy and the length doesn't bother me........at all
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Posted: 9/15/2005 2:23:29 PM EDT
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A1. I have 2 midlengths, one that i'm putting all my gadgets on, the other is plain jane. don't have an updated pic but here ya go anyway... One day I'll learn to take a better pic... Oh and the one on the bottom has a carry handle now. Didn't have one when i built it.
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Posted: 9/15/2005 4:17:23 PM EDT
[#13]
 Pic from team member Lancelot and the tacked big collapsible stock thread. I would recommend the Stag Arms Carbine stock (top) which if I'm not mistaken uses a Mil-Spec six position buffer tube included with their kit per their current catalog. It's simple and compact and only $65 for the complete kit with receiver end plate, extension nut, buffer tube, carbine spring and buffer. Click at the Stag Arms tab link at the top of the webpage. See more comments about this stock at: Choosing the Best Collapsible Stock for "You" thread link If you need a simpler stock then the A1 or A2, which stock fits you the best. Cavalry Arms have the A1 length stocks. |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 4:36:53 PM EDT
[#14]
m4
CMTs from Eaglefirearms.net are some good ones for the price |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 4:43:21 PM EDT
[#15]
A1. Slightly different material, but cheap and strong enough. If you found a Colt CS stock you would have the ideal stock, but they are hard to come by these days.
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Posted: 9/15/2005 5:20:29 PM EDT
[#16]
A1 or A2.
Or an Ace SOCOM. |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 6:05:28 PM EDT
[#17]
Sully, Cavalry Arms C1 or a USGI A1 length...nice and simple
I prefer the Cav Arms stock because of it's huge storage compartment. In mine I keep a boresnake, a little leatherman type tool, a bottle of CLP and a small rag. |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 6:17:11 PM EDT
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Took me a while but I finally found my Colt CS stock (and for a GREAT price) thanks to a great forum member up north! It was worth the search! (Cheap plug but I have a slightly used Cav Arms C1 stock for sale on the EE )
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Posted: 9/15/2005 8:59:27 PM EDT
[#19]
Thanks for the replies everyone. I'm leaning toward the A1 now. Added a poll for good measure. Anyone have a source for A1 stocks?
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Posted: 9/16/2005 3:58:35 AM EDT
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Just check the used section of the EE. "like-new" ones show up all the time there or post something in the wanted to buy section. That is how I found my Colt CS stock. |
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Posted: 9/16/2005 4:02:19 AM EDT
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Northridge in California has the original GI A1 stocks. CavArms makes a new A1 stock.
Don't forget the original M16 stock. A1 length, no trap door, rubber buttplate that is rounded off for a real comfortable feel. No trapdoor to rattle, solid one piece construction. Not a middy, but here's one on my CAR.  I got this one off of Ebay. Looks new. Cost me $9.95 plus shipping. The seller I got mine from is apparently out, but hunt around, they are out there. Northridge is Here If you want the M16 stock. order the early version with no trap door. |
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Posted: 9/16/2005 7:29:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/17/2005 2:34:33 AM EDT
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I'm sure there is a difference in materials between the M16 stocks and the A2 stocks. After all the A2 stocks are currently in production and M16 stocks have been around since the 60's. So I'm sure materials and manufacturing techniques have imporved since then.
If the look or color is wrong, you can always hit it with Krylon, or Moly Resin. The GI stocks tend to be mroe black, whereas the newer stock tend to have a grayish hue to them. You will probably not be able to break, bend, or hurt a M16 stock, or a GI A1 stock. I have heard that the current production CavArms stocks look more flimsy then the originals, but are made our of tougher stuff. . |
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Posted: 9/17/2005 2:54:50 PM EDT
[#24]
My vote would be the Sully Stock!!! Mid length on a collapsable is 8-1/8", which is the exact length of a Sully Stock.
CY6, Greg Sullivan "Sully" Chief Instructor TheDefensiveEdge.com SLR15 Rifles |
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Posted: 9/17/2005 3:20:27 PM EDT
[#25]
You must have some deformed stubby little arms. 
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Posted: 9/17/2005 4:47:00 PM EDT
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Um no. I'm 6'4.5" tall and the A1 works for me too. Its all about getting a consistent cheek weld, and keeping your elbow down out of the chicken wing position. Shortere stocks also work a lot better with load bearing gear and body armor. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:29:25 AM EDT
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+1 I'm 6'3", wear 35" sleeves, and I find the A1 length much more comfortable than the A2. YMMV. 
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Posted: 9/19/2005 7:40:50 AM EDT
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No, not even close. (35-36" sleeve) Have you ever used an A1 length stock? I never heard anybody (who's used both) say they preferred the A2 over the A1. I'm sure there are few people who do, and you might be one of them, but those people are definitely the minority from what I've seen. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 8:31:53 AM EDT
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I'd go Sully personally, but if you can't swing that, go A1 or the CavArms counterpart.
If you go w/ a collapsable, don't get a cheapo 6pos POS. IMHO, they suck, they're not milspec for one, and the material they make the stock body out of (Bushy's in particular) feels like it's such shitty plastic that Tyco wouldn't even allow it to be used in their toys. If you go collapsable and basic/inexpensive...go CMT/Stag or LMT. Milspec, which leaves you more options later, and much higher quality without much jump in price if you ask me. Just my .02, YMMV. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 9:08:24 AM EDT
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One more endorsement for the basic M16 stock. I do have stubby arms (33 inch) and the shorter stock is essential. The rounded butt plate on the M16, no trapdoor stock is very fast to shoulder and allows a firm cheek weld. My 16 inch HB with the M16 stock is well-balanced and very easy to handle. Even Numrich has them for a reasonable price.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 10:10:42 AM EDT
[#31]
I'm new to AR15s and in the process of putting together a mid-length. The upper is already ordered and I'm thinking about what I want on the lower. It'll be a collapsible for sure. So this info is good to see. The LMT and CMT/Stag differ from the RRA or Bushmaster etc? How? Like I said, I'm new, so have simple questions. GL |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 10:58:39 AM EDT
[#32]
M4
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:04:07 PM EDT
[#33]
How about an A1collapsible!
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Posted: 10/12/2005 11:29:23 AM EDT
[#34]
**UPDATE**
I ended up getting a CavArms C1 stock off the EE and am less than impressed with the butt plate. Anyone know of a place I can buy just a butt plate to replace it? |
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Posted: 10/12/2005 11:48:05 AM EDT
[#35]
Any normal A2 buttplate will fit. Just watch the EE for the best deal. |
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Posted: 10/12/2005 12:58:09 PM EDT
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M-4 Go with a CMT or stag. thats mil speck.
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Posted: 10/12/2005 6:43:32 PM EDT
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Cavalry Arms is fond of pointing out that they include that buttplate at little or no extra cost so that people don't have to buy a buttplate if they don't want to. I actually prefer the Cavarms buttplate to the regular A2 one, because it won't slip on my shoulder. It's a lot more durable than it looks, and the door stays shut if you have tension on it from stuff inside the stock. A buddy just got a KISS type middy carbine with a CMT 6-pos. I highly recommend that setup, it's one of the best combinations of light weight, smooth shooting, good handling and versatility I've ever found in an AR. It costs half as much as mine, and I'm jealous. |
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Posted: 10/13/2005 10:25:01 AM EDT
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Do the LMT and CMT collapsible stocks differ in any way? Not the SOPMOD, just the basic LMT stock. Any reason to choose one over the other?
GL |
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