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Posted: 9/21/2004 3:00:10 PM EST

IIRC the following lowers are all made my LMT:

LMT
Laur
PWA - Are they all made by LMT or were there some Post "94" lowers made by someone else?
Eagle Arms(Coal Valley)
DSA

What others am I missing?
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:05:33 PM EST
I am waiting for my lower from LMT now. What will the logo look like. I hope its just "LMT".
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:07:04 PM EST
I wouldn't mind an LMT lower to go with my new upper. I don't have a problem with my Bushies, but I'd like to have thw whole thing "match".
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:54:49 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:01:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By BravoCompanyUSA:
Bushies with a SN# that start with L


Really? I did not know that.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:04:27 PM EST
Reeeeeeeally? You know, that would make complete sense. I remember when these first started to appear and I racked my brain to try and figure that out. That makes complete sense. Thanks.



-REAPER2502
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:30:15 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:40:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 7:41:02 PM EST by BravoCompanyUSA]
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 8:07:39 PM EST
CM is a different company. Continental Machine & Tool. I have two of there lowers, very nice fit and finish. i did not care for the LMT lowers i saw at Lauer last week , so i bought a DPMS. the LMT had some rough machining compared to the others i looked at, the only plus i saw was no sear block on the LMT.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 12:57:58 AM EST

Bushies with a SN# that start with L


Well I'll be a monkey's uncle.

So, who made the UPPERS on BM's L prefix guns? LMT as well?

Link Posted: 9/22/2004 2:24:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By norman74:
I wouldn't mind an LMT lower to go with my new upper. I don't have a problem with my Bushies, but I'd like to have thw whole thing "match".



Same here, if we're buying the Gucci purse we might as well have Gucci wallet to go along with it...

Is anyone able to confirm or deny the "L" Prefix Bushmaster lowers?

Also does anyone know when LMT plans to release anymore "LMT" branded lowers like in Spooge5150's pic?
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 4:47:03 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 5:14:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/22/2004 5:16:36 AM EST by Yojimbo]

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

I think LMT is waiting to sell the 100 plus PWA lowers it has first and then will sell their LMT lowers...


C4



IIRC, PWA went out of business sometime ago. If this is true why would LMT make PWA marked lowers?
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 5:26:29 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 5:37:10 AM EST
Thanks Spooge

Thats what I hope to receive. Simple "LMT"
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 7:13:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/22/2004 7:13:59 AM EST by Yojimbo]
Grant,

Thanks for the info! I sent Denny an IM asking him to join this dicussion and tell us everything he knows.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 7:34:10 AM EST
ASA used LMT uppers and lowers until this.



Case Information
Case Number CV2000-020184 Judge Yarnell
Case Type Civil
File Date 11/8/2000 Location Downtown
Party Information
Party Name Rel Sex Attorney
LEWIS MACHINE & TOOL CO Plaintiff None STEVEN JONES
AMERICAN SPIRIT ARMS CORP Defendant None Michael Neumann
Western Security Bank Garnishee Defendant Pro Per
Case Documents
Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
3/5/2003 SJU - SATISFACTION OF JUDGMENT 3/19/2003
NOTE: AND RELEASE
2/19/2003 ORD - Order 3/19/2003
NOTE: QUASHING WRIT OF GARNISHMENT
2/11/2003 MTQ - Motion to Quash 3/5/2003
NOTE: WRIT OF GARNISHMENT
1/29/2003 AFS - Affidavit of Service 2/12/2003
1/24/2003 ANG - Answer of Garnishee 2/20/2003
1/22/2003 AFS - Affidavit of Service 2/12/2003
1/22/2003 WGS - WRIT OF GARNISHMENT/SUMMONS 4/10/2003
1/16/2003 AWG - Application for Writ of Garnishment 2/20/2003
10/21/2002 JUD - Judgment 11/5/2002
NOTE: Notice of filing and entry provided to the parties
10/2/2002 NOT - Notice 12/5/2002
NOTE: OF LODGING PROPOSED FORM OF JUDGMENT
9/27/2002 019 - ME: Ruling 9/27/2002
9/10/2002 094 - ME: ORAL ARGUMENT SET 9/10/2002
8/13/2002 OBJ - Objection/Opposition. 11/4/2002
NOTE: TO SUPPLEMENTAL APPLICATION FOR ATTORNEYS FEES AND COSTS
8/1/2002 094 - ME: ORAL ARGUMENT SET 8/1/2002
7/23/2002 APL - Application 8/28/2002
NOTE: SUPPLEMENTAL - FOR AWARD OF ATTY FEES AND COSTS
5/17/2002 ODI - ORDER OF DISMISSAL 6/17/2002 Plaintiff(1)
NOTE: WITH PREJUDICE
5/13/2002 SFD - STIPULATION FOR DISMISSAL 6/7/2002 Plaintiff(1)
NOTE: ON ALL PENDING CLAIMS AND COUNTERCLAIMS AND TO SUBMIT ATTORNEYS FEES FOR; DETERMINATION
12/19/2001 ORD - Order 1/8/2002 Plaintiff(1)
NOTE: GRANTING CONTINUANCE OF TRIAL AND FOR BENCH TRIAL UNTIL 05-16-02
12/13/2001 SFC - STIPULATION FOR CONTINUANCE 12/27/2001 Plaintiff(1)
NOTE: OF TRIAL AND FOR BENCH TRIAL
9/27/2001 8:00:00 AM JUD - Judgment 9/27/2001 8:00:00 AM
NOTE: Posted during iCIS Conversion
9/17/2001 REL - Reply 9/26/2001 Plaintiff(1)
NOTE: TO DEFS OBJECTION TO LEWIS MACHINE & TOOL CO'S APPLICATION FOR ATTORNEYS FEES
9/11/2001 023 - ME: Order Entered by Court 9/11/2001
9/10/2001 089 - ME: Trial Setting 9/10/2001
9/7/2001 OBJ - Objection/Opposition. 9/20/2001 Defendant(2)
NOTE: TO APPLICATION FOR ATTORNEYS FEES AND COSTS
9/7/2001 OBJ - Objection/Opposition. 9/20/2001 Defendant(2)
NOTE: TO PROPOSED FORM OF JUDGMENT
9/6/2001 089 - ME: Trial Setting 9/6/2001
8/21/2001 SOC - Statement of Costs 8/28/2001 Plaintiff(1)
8/21/2001 ASR - AFF/Support Request for Attorney Fees 8/28/2001 Plaintiff(1)
NOTE: OF P1'S COUNSEL - AND COSTS
8/21/2001 AAF - Application for Attorney Fees 8/28/2001 Plaintiff(1)
NOTE: AND COSTS
8/21/2001 NOT - Notice 8/28/2001 Plaintiff(1)
NOTE: ACCEPTANCE OF OFFER OF JUDGMENT
8/21/2001 NOT - Notice 8/28/2001 Plaintiff(1)
NOTE: OF LODGING PROPOSED FORM OF JUDGMENT
8/21/2001 ASR - AFF/Support Request for Attorney Fees 10/10/2001 Plaintiff(1)
NOTE: AND COSTS
8/6/2001 MSE - Motion to Set & Cert/Readiness 8/14/2001 Plaintiff(1)
7/26/2001 OCC - Order Cont on Inactive Calendar 8/7/2001 Defendant(2)
7/25/2001 PRA - Praecipe 8/1/2001 Defendant(2)
NOTE: SUBPOENA
7/24/2001 MCO - Motion to Continue 8/1/2001 Defendant(2)
NOTE: STIPULATED/ ON THE CALENDAR AND EXTEND DEADLINES
7/5/2001 NSD - Not/Service Re 26.1 Disclosure 7/20/2001 Defendant(2)
NOTE: FIRST SUPPLEMENTAL
4/17/2001 311 - ME: 150 DAY MINUTE ENTRY 4/17/2001
12/26/2000 RES - Response 1/5/2001 Plaintiff(1)
NOTE: TO DEFS CONTROVERTING CERTIFICATE OF COMPULSORY ARBITRATION
12/19/2000 REL - Reply 1/3/2001 Plaintiff(1)
NOTE: TO COUNTERCLAIM
11/29/2000 ANS - Answer 12/1/2000 Defendant(2)
NOTE: AND COUNTERCLAIM
11/21/2000 AFS - Affidavit of Service 11/24/2000 Plaintiff(1)
NOTE: P2 SERVED 11-9-2000
11/21/2000 SUM - Summons 11/30/2000 Plaintiff(1)
11/20/2000 CCA - Cert Compulsory Arbitration 12/14/2000 Defendant(2)
NOTE: CONTROVERTING
11/8/2000 COM - Complaint/Petition 11/13/2000 Plaintiff(1)
11/8/2000 CCN - Cert Arbitration - Not Subject 11/13/2000 Plaintiff(1)
Case Calendar
Date Time Event
5/16/2002 9:30 Trial
9/23/2002 16:00 Oral Argument
Judgments
Date (F)or / (A)gainst Amount Frequency Type Status
10/21/2002 F: LEWIS MACHINE & TOOL CO $8,500.00 One Time Attorney Fee Satisfied
A: AMERICAN SPIRIT ARMS CORP
9/27/2001 F: LEWIS MACHINE & TOOL CO $799.70 One Time Judgment Only
A: AMERICAN SPIRIT ARMS CORP
9/27/2001 F: LEWIS MACHINE & TOOL CO $11,907.20 One Time Judgment Only
A: AMERICAN SPIRIT ARMS CORP


Link Posted: 9/22/2004 7:37:30 AM EST
Interesting, but what was the whole fracas about?
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 7:58:41 AM EST
ASA refusing to pay LMT for what they received. Typical ASA BS.

I can't say this enough.

Avoid ASA like the plague!
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 8:10:39 AM EST
I'd still like the answer to the question: who's uppers ride on the Lxxxxx serialized
BM lowers
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 8:56:36 AM EST
Hmmm just looked at my 3 bushy lowers...all start with L and one ends with L as well. Any proof to these being made by LMT?
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 9:38:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/22/2004 9:40:28 AM EST by jjmcrowell]

I'd still like the answer to the question: who's uppers ride on the Lxxxxx serialized
BM lowers





I have several also....
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 11:32:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

Originally Posted By Yojimbo:

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

I think LMT is waiting to sell the 100 plus PWA lowers it has first and then will sell their LMT lowers...


C4



IIRC, PWA went out of business sometime ago. If this is true why would LMT make PWA marked lowers?



I am pretty sure I heard it was PWA marked lowers, but might be wrong. I think they had them sitting around and want to burn through those first. Contact Denny @ GTS for the straight story. He and I talk about a lot of gear (almost dailey) so I might be mixed up.


C4



You probably heard correctly. I picked up one of these a few months ago and from what I understand, all the old pre-ban PWA lowers where made by LMT as well.

I hope the part about waiting to sell off the PWA marked lowers before selling the LMT (without the LEO) marked lowers is incorrect. I would think, with that known, most people will probably not buy the PWA marked units preferring to wait on the LMT marked lowers.

The lower Spooge shows above is stamped with the LEO only markings and are reportedly available now if wanted.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 11:40:53 AM EST
Correct.



Link Posted: 9/22/2004 12:15:00 PM EST
Who can we purchase the Govt/LEO marked lowers from?
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 12:24:46 PM EST
How do I buy PWA lowers from LMT???
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 12:51:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By smokeman:
How do I buy PWA lowers from LMT???



RB Precision may have some of those in stock. That's where I picked mine up.

Link Posted: 9/22/2004 12:58:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By DevL:
Who can we purchase the Govt/LEO marked lowers from?



Anybody have a "source"? Feel free to contact via IM or EM.
Thanks.....Chad
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 1:42:03 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 4:23:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/22/2004 4:26:50 PM EST by cgv69]

Originally Posted By giffmann:

Originally Posted By smokeman:
How do I buy PWA lowers from LMT???



RB Precision may have some of those in stock. That's where I picked mine up.




That's where I got the one I have.


Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

Originally Posted By CRS188:

Originally Posted By DevL:
Who can we purchase the Govt/LEO marked lowers from?



Anybody have a "source"? Feel free to contact via IM or EM.
Thanks.....Chad




Contact Denny at www.globaltactical.com

C4



Or apparently this guy has a source... Questions about LMT lower
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 6:52:29 PM EST
Try RB Precision got mine from there as well....
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 9:13:34 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 9:16:57 PM EST
Hrm, that's interesting. Thanks man!

Link Posted: 9/22/2004 9:21:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 9:38:15 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 9:56:18 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:01:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By RBPRECISION:

Originally Posted By smokeman:
How do I buy PWA lowers from LMT???




I have these in stock ready to ship

Krista
309-534-8175



I got two from RB Precision and they are NICE. Great finish, well made. My only, little, tiny disappointment was that it has a high shelf, which means I have to modify a Accuwedge to fit under the rear take down pin. Big deal!

RB's one of the best internet suppliers I have worked with so far. There hasn't been anything that I have wanted that they could not get for me, at a good price also. Thanks.
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 11:20:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By BravoCompanyUSA:
Bushies with a SN# that start with L



This would explain why my last two Bushy lowers were not up to snuff.
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 1:17:01 PM EST
Just curious, are you saying that your LMT-made Bushmaster lower is no good?
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 1:32:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By Vinh:
Just curious, are you saying that your LMT-made Bushmaster lower is no good?



They weren't what I expected. The first one had dents all around the mag well lip and little white spots of some sort in the anodizing that look like shit. The second one was so badly forged that it looked as if it was made by hand. The corners were pitted and rough and the forging was also very badly pitted.

Like I've said in other posts, it is my belief that when you buy individual components from BM you are getting second rate products. By that I mean they didn't make the grade to be used on BM's complete rifles so they put them with the spares and sell them seperately.

My two complete rifles that I bought from Bushmaster several years ago are flawless except for the normal wear I've put on them over the years from use.

I won't buy Bushmaster products anymore until they get their QC issues resolved.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 5:44:59 AM EST
Although I'm not a huge LMT fan after my debacle with their "enhanced" bolt, the two Lauer Custom Weaponry lowers I've seen were flawless. Denny is also selling DSA lowers which are manufactured by LMT.

Lauer

DSA



Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:30:54 AM EST
Buckshot's Bushmaster marked\LMT made lower sounds a lot like my PWA marked\LMT made lower.

LMT appears to have some really inconsistent QC IMO. I for one am sorry to hear that new BM lowers are now made by LMT.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:38:24 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:41:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By BravoCompanyUSA:

Originally Posted By cgv69:
Buckshot's Bushmaster marked\LMT made lower sounds a lot like my PWA marked\LMT made lower.

LMT appears to have some really inconsistent QC IMO. I for one am sorry to hear that new BM lowers are now made by LMT.



IIRC, current production is CMT



I bought two stripped lowers over the summer and they both start with an L. Maybe Bushmaster is trying to get rid of their LMT lowers first.
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