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Posted: 9/12/2009 6:57:34 AM EST
Here's the scenario: You've got a friend wanting to purchase his very first AR. Cost is not a big factor, but he wants the "best bang for the buck". He would most likely prefer for it to be an off the shelf rifle rather than a build for the first. He's asking for your opinions and direction.

It's almost like getting to purchase your dream AR with out spending your money. The only sad part is that it isn't yours to keep. But I'm sure I'll get my turn to play!

Where would you start?
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 7:01:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2009 7:01:43 AM EST by LoganSackett]
Colt 6920's have great bang for the buck.

The Knight's Armament SR-15 E3 IWS is one of the best off the shelf rifles around. It'll cost about $1000 more than the Colt.

ETA: The KAC is my dream AR.
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 7:19:49 AM EST
6920
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 7:20:56 AM EST
The Colt 6920 is a great off the shelf rifle that I would recommend to all followed by Saber Defense and Noveske, if he wants to wait a while I would say a Complete Larue Stealth rifle would be great as well.
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 7:30:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By EWP:
The Colt 6920 is a great off the shelf rifle that I would recommend to all followed by Saber Defense and Noveske, if he wants to wait a while I would say a Complete Larue Stealth rifle would be great as well.


Ditto. Good thing about the 6920 is that the supply seems to be plentiful right now in relation to the other makers.
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 7:30:47 AM EST
I like my Rock River and they ship most of their rifles with their match trigger (but I think they charge a little more for it). I also had good luck building my own rifles. You can stretch your $$ further, get your lower for about $100 then order an upper with some extra bells and whistles.


Or, CMMG, is selling m4'geries for $599 right now.
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 7:44:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2009 7:48:25 AM EST by west2746]
how about colt 6940....if money not an issue––LWRC M6A3.....or you could go with my fav and what I think is the best bang for the buck ––the S&W M&P tac model.


EDIT––––just saw Spikes has their ST-15 M4 w/ AA Piston rifle on sale for $1100....this maybe the best buy "on paper" there is. I say on paper because I've never used Spikes but I hear good things.
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 7:49:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2009 7:50:42 AM EST by utahvarminter]
Best Bang for Buck? How about Identical Specs as Colt minus all the "You suck and we hate you" attitude

Bravo Company USA

Bravo 16" URG $475
Handguards $20
Bravo Full Auto Bolt Carrier Group $160
Bravo Charging Handle $23
Bravo Carry Handle $110
Bravo BCM4 Complete Lower $350

$1138 + Shipping

Or
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=16M4_RIFLE&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3D%26searchs­tart%3D9%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates/FullNav/SearchResult.html%26category%3DBCOM

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=16M_RIFLE&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3D%26searchs­tart%3D9%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates/FullNav/SearchResult.html%26category%3DBCOM

$1134 + Shipping

I went with 3 Midlength builds.


(And I know you said off the shelf, but honestly... what is the stigma? I'd my BCM builds over an off the shelf DPMS, Bushmaster, Armalite, you name it.)
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 7:55:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2009 7:57:31 AM EST by M60forever]
If he doesn't want to build one. I recomend this. Its a great rifle. $888.95

http://www.star15.com/rifles.html

Link Posted: 9/12/2009 8:18:12 AM EST
I had this happen to me. I recommended a 6920/6940 to my brother for his first AR.He was ready to buy, then he saw a Sig 556 and decided that was for him because he likes Sig guns. I'm like ok what ever it's your money.
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 8:23:10 AM EST
Depends on what he wants it to do, but the complete BCM midlength is an awesome deal. I wish I'd waited a bit and bought that.
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 10:56:00 AM EST
Thanks for all of the suggestions so far!
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 10:58:52 AM EST
I heard Vulcan is really good.
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 5:28:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ermac:
I heard Vulcan is really good.
Dude, thats just not right.

Spikes 100%.

Link Posted: 9/13/2009 5:50:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By Ermac:
I heard Vulcan is really good.


Choke yourself!

+1 on the 6920. I don't have one, but have handled a few. If I were going to buy one, that would be the one I would get followed closely by LMT or BCM.
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 6:06:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/13/2009 6:07:00 PM EST by Fields_Overseer]
stag m2 for $750 is the best deal youll get under $1000
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 6:10:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By graysar15:
Here's the scenario: You've got a friend wanting to purchase his very first AR. Cost is not a big factor, but he wants the "best bang for the buck". He would most likely prefer for it to be an off the shelf rifle rather than a build for the first. He's asking for your opinions and direction.

It's almost like getting to purchase your dream AR with out spending your money. The only sad part is that it isn't yours to keep. But I'm sure I'll get my turn to play!

Where would you start?


Well, A 6920 has been mentioned numerous times and that is for a reason Im sure. Though, I have no experience with the Colt, so I cant honestly recommend one.

I would say a Spikes ST-15. Have em swap out the m4 guards for a DD Omega and you are sitting pretty. It has everything you could want. A Daniel Defense Cold Hammer Forged 4150 chrome lined 1x7 barrel, MPI and HP tested barrel, full Auto MPI tested carrier with the black extractor, F marked FSB, etc, etc. All that and some of he best customer service around. Its a no brainer IMO.

Link Posted: 9/13/2009 6:13:39 PM EST
Nov, LaRue, LMT

Down a notch, whichever S&W or Colt he likes, there are other brands in this category but I think it starts depending a lot on model by model comparisons too.

If money's not a big issue, why go lower?
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 6:14:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By utahvarminter:
Best Bang for Buck? How about Identical Specs as Colt minus all the "You suck and we hate you" attitude

Bravo Company USA

Bravo 16" URG $475
Handguards $20
Bravo Full Auto Bolt Carrier Group $160
Bravo Charging Handle $23
Bravo Carry Handle $110
Bravo BCM4 Complete Lower $350

$1138 + Shipping

Or
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=16M4_RIFLE&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3D%26searchs­tart%3D9%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates/FullNav/SearchResult.html%26category%3DBCOM

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=16M_RIFLE&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3D%26searchs­tart%3D9%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates/FullNav/SearchResult.html%26category%3DBCOM

$1134 + Shipping

I went with 3 Midlength builds.


(And I know you said off the shelf, but honestly... what is the stigma? I'd my BCM builds over an off the shelf DPMS, Bushmaster, Armalite, you name it.)


"Build" doesn't mean that you need an engineering degree to have an AR15...you can simply snap a complete upper and lower together. I'll +1 the BCM middy recommendation (without a carry handle - just get a Magpul rear MBUS sight instead). Second choice would be a 6920 at $1200 or less. Either way, you'll have a top notch rifle.
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 6:15:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By Ermac:
I heard Vulcan is really good.


Joke, right?
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 6:17:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By jcrowl:
Originally Posted By Ermac:
I heard Vulcan is really good.


Joke, right?

Yeah, I just wanted to see everybodys reaction. I don't know much about Vulcans or why they are bad other then it being the word on this forum.
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 6:26:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By west2746:
...if money not an issue––LWRC M6A3...


Agreed.

-Ed

Link Posted: 9/13/2009 6:44:35 PM EST
Originally Posted By Ermac:
Originally Posted By jcrowl:
Originally Posted By Ermac:
I heard Vulcan is really good.


Joke, right?

Yeah, I just wanted to see everybodys reaction. I don't know much about Vulcans or why they are bad other then it being the word on this forum.


I figured.

Going with Vulcan for an AR is like going to Somalia for the sex. It may seem great in the beginning, but in the end, you're fucked.
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 6:51:40 PM EST
I've owned many over the years, from Colt to Model 1 Sales to Oly Arms

I you can build one go that route....get everything you want as you build it.

If you can't build one buy a Colt (6920 or 6520)...I really like Sabre Defence and LMT for they tend or rather were more than Colts. Olys are towards the lower end but then again its ONLY an AR.

I sold my Sigg 556 Commando and purchased a 6920....$1800 for a high end poodle shooter, even a Sig, is still a poodle shooter. (My high end rifle is an HS precision in .338 Lapua)
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 6:52:02 PM EST
6920 or the BCM 16" Middy someone conveniently mentioned and linked to (G&R) a few posts up. Could also check out a LMT.

There are "better" than the above, but you'll pay for it. And there are "cheaper" than the above, but the quality may be lacking. It's up to you. Your mission requirements will dictate the direction you need to go with your choice. YMMV.
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 6:57:44 PM EST
BCM Middy. Excellent quality and there is no UAW connection.
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 6:57:52 PM EST
6920, Daniel Defense XV M4, LMT Defender, but I highly recommend getting a good lower of choice and topping it with a Bravo midlength upper and Bravo bcg. You wont be disappointed.
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 7:04:53 PM EST
For a first AR and a quality one, I would recommend a Colt 6920. They're affordable now and keep their value.
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 7:15:52 PM EST
S&W M&P15T - a well appointed tactical carbine for a reasonable price. I've seen them for as little as $1100
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 7:38:13 PM EST
If not a Bravo Co. M4 upper/lower and FA BCG or LMT then I'd consider a 6920.

But I'd inspect it with the same scrutiny as I would any other AR and wouldn't be shy
about walking away if it wasn't perfect, not when you can get a BCM.
Link Posted: 9/14/2009 6:12:33 AM EST
You can get a complete BCM 16" middy from G&R for $1,134. I'd take one of those over a Colt 6920 for a few reasons. Colt is afiliated with the UAW. I like a 16" middy configuration a lot more than a 16" carbine, and Colt doesn't make a middy. The people at Colt are less than pleasent on the phone. My brother in law has a Colt 6920 and I've shot it many times. It's a fine gun, but I refuse to support that company.
Link Posted: 9/14/2009 3:31:29 PM EST
The decision will probably fall on what we can purchase off the shelf locally since he's pretty ancious to buy. Out of the recomendations you all have listed so far, I have seen plenty of 6920's, a few Daniel Defenses, and lots of M&P's on the shelfs. I'd say the DD and Colt are in the runnings right now. Thanks for everyone's input.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 2:09:47 PM EST
The decision was made. He just purchased the Colt LE 6940. We tossed around the Daniel Defense, Colt 6920, 6940 and the Ruger SR 556. I think he came out with an extremely nice rifle with the 6940, especially for his first! Now it's time to start shopping for some optics. Thanks for all of the suggestions.
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