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Posted: 4/11/2015 12:41:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/11/2015 1:33:26 PM EDT
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Colt had round rifle length handguards in the 1960's. <a href="http://s983.photobucket.com/user/44Echo10/media/Gun%20Stuff/AR/sph0240_zps289737e2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae318/44Echo10/Gun%20Stuff/AR/sph0240_zps289737e2.jpg</a> <a href="http://s983.photobucket.com/user/44Echo10/media/Gun%20Stuff/AR/706-661.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae318/44Echo10/Gun%20Stuff/AR/706-661.jpg</a> <a href="http://s983.photobucket.com/user/44Echo10/media/Gun%20Stuff/AR/707-661.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae318/44Echo10/Gun%20Stuff/AR/707-661.jpg</a> <a href="http://s983.photobucket.com/user/44Echo10/media/Gun%20Stuff/AR/210-6ea2ebb181_zps1253feff.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae318/44Echo10/Gun%20Stuff/AR/210-6ea2ebb181_zps1253feff.jpg</a> <a href="http://s983.photobucket.com/user/44Echo10/media/Gun%20Stuff/AR/344-2aa82f35fb_zps5eac59ef.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae318/44Echo10/Gun%20Stuff/AR/344-2aa82f35fb_zps5eac59ef.jpg</a> Standardized in the 1980's...before Lone Star Ordnance. Notice the number of round vent holes is different than the new A2 handguards on the vintage 1960's ones pictured above. Oh right, good catch, it dawned up me this morning about the Navy tests of 1968 (?) in BR1. The heat shield pattern is different too on the vintage A2's, all of the holes go through the metal. Much appreciated, thanks. |
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Posted: 4/11/2015 5:16:29 PM EDT
There is pictures from Vietnam with them on rifles from trials.
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Posted: 4/12/2015 5:30:47 PM EDT
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There is pictures from Vietnam with them on rifles from trials. I have not seen these pics. Do you have them available to post? |
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Posted: 4/13/2015 2:57:51 PM EDT
There is a picture of them on the front of the box for Vietnam A Retrospective. |
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Posted: 4/13/2015 3:11:47 PM EDT
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http://store.wisvetsmuseum.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/DVD-Vietnam-Retrospective-900x700.jpg There is a picture of them on the front of the box for Vietnam A Retrospective. that photo looks like a modern one aged to look old, the bbl forward of the FSB is too thick, they look like CF with C7's ? |
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Posted: 4/13/2015 3:40:57 PM EDT
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that photo looks like a modern one aged to look old, the bbl forward of the FSB is too thick, they look like CF with C7's ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://store.wisvetsmuseum.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/DVD-Vietnam-Retrospective-900x700.jpg There is a picture of them on the front of the box for Vietnam A Retrospective. that photo looks like a modern one aged to look old, the bbl forward of the FSB is too thick, they look like CF with C7's ? I was wondering that myself. When I bought it, I thought the idiots put a Canadian soldier on the front cover. I can't see the webbing to see if it's '82 Pattern or not. |
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Posted: 4/13/2015 8:20:19 PM EDT
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I was wondering that myself. When I bought it, I thought the idiots put a Canadian soldier on the front cover. I can't see the webbing to see if it's '82 Pattern or not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://store.wisvetsmuseum.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/DVD-Vietnam-Retrospective-900x700.jpg There is a picture of them on the front of the box for Vietnam A Retrospective. that photo looks like a modern one aged to look old, the bbl forward of the FSB is too thick, they look like CF with C7's ? I was wondering that myself. When I bought it, I thought the idiots put a Canadian soldier on the front cover. I can't see the webbing to see if it's '82 Pattern or not. the other thing that got me was the netting and burlap on the helmet, I don't recall ever seeing that on an actual vietnam pic. I got a plate of fries with mayo they are CF :) not a bad thing, mind you, just not the RVN. |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 4:46:54 PM EDT
The Colt round hand guards go back as far as 1964 for 20" models. There are good pix in TBR. Given the numbers built for trials, I would be surprised if some didn't go to the 'Nam. I've seen no actual pics over there thus far. I have seen some show up on ARVN rifles, FWIW. The Lone Star seems to be a mid '70s development. The pattern is not exactly true to the Colt. and the halves are not interchangeable. Could be an attempt to get around Colt patents for the original round handies. I suspect the largest customer for the Lone Stars would have been Israel, other than Uncle Sammie .
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Posted: 4/14/2015 9:36:57 PM EDT
I like the Lonestars better than the Colts
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Posted: 4/15/2015 8:36:05 AM EDT
Now I can see the photos (they get auto-blocked at work). The photos of the four above rifles is from TBR. These were Colt trials weapons from the Naval Lab at Dahlgren, Va., date - around 1979-'80. IIRC. Notice the different patterns in cooling holes between the two round sets. This is the beginning of the tests that would result in the M16A2. Why these weren't adopted aeons earlier for the A1 rifle is waaaay beyond me ! The Lone Star, except for the different top and bottom halves, beats the Colt for looks and feel.....a better piece of kit !
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Posted: 4/15/2015 3:37:04 PM EDT
I'll be the first (strangely) voice of dissent and say that Lonestar handguards are hideous. I dislike those fat pistol grips, too.
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Posted: 4/15/2015 5:04:26 PM EDT
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I dislike those fat pistol grips, too. Boo this man. 
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Posted: 4/17/2015 6:56:40 AM EDT
The Lonestar furnature was marketed towards civillians to make their SP1's or in some cases M16A1's look like the A2 with the round hand gaurds and pistol grip with the finger bump. I remember seeing an Ad posted for LSO furnature in the Retro forum a number of years ago. With that said, the LSO carbine HG's were susposed to be replacements for Colt 6 holes that got broken, painted, etc. This stuff came in white boxes with red lettering If I remember corectly and was susposed to be carried at your LGS's so you didn't need to call up Colt, etc to order a replacement set of HG's. Remember, during the 70's you couldn't go on Ebay, Brownells, Numrich, Midway and just order a OEM replacement set of furnature or any parts for that matter. Shotgun News in the 1980's was like the internet and EE rolled into one back then, I still love SGN.....
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Posted: 4/17/2015 8:02:39 AM EDT
+1 on the SGN.....
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Posted: 4/17/2015 2:39:48 PM EDT
I got my set at a gun show in Columbus, but there was tons of LSO in SGN for years. Got 'em today installed on an Israeli A1 clone.
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Posted: 4/17/2015 4:48:23 PM EDT
I'm still really didn't the rifle length lonestars - they are slightly thinner than the A2's and have
a denser feeling plastic, and they feel good! Did a back to back with A2's on the gun and the lonestars won ~ for that build. Are the carbine lonestars any different from the six hole Colts? I don't recall seeing them. and I too miss the old SGN back in the day.... mail order mom and pop suppliers and copier printed catalogs, they go with old issues of SOF :) |
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Posted: 4/17/2015 10:01:56 PM EDT
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I'm still really didn't the rifle length lonestars - they are slightly thinner than the A2's and have a denser feeling plastic, and they feel good! Did a back to back with A2's on the gun and the lonestars won ~ for that build. Are the carbine lonestars any different from the six hole Colts? I don't recall seeing them. and I too miss the old SGN back in the day.... mail order mom and pop suppliers and copier printed catalogs, they go with old issues of SOF :) The LSO 6 hole CAR HG's are the closest match to original Colt HG's. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 9:19:28 PM EDT
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The LSO 6 hole CAR HG's are the closest match to original Colt HG's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm still really didn't the rifle length lonestars - they are slightly thinner than the A2's and have a denser feeling plastic, and they feel good! Did a back to back with A2's on the gun and the lonestars won ~ for that build. Are the carbine lonestars any different from the six hole Colts? I don't recall seeing them. and I too miss the old SGN back in the day.... mail order mom and pop suppliers and copier printed catalogs, they go with old issues of SOF :) The LSO 6 hole CAR HG's are the closest match to original Colt HG's. Ive got a pair of LSOs on my XM177E2. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 10:04:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2015 10:00:16 AM EDT
a couple years ago somebody posted a 1966 Popular Mechanics article on the M16 in the retro forum. The pics from the article show the round handguard
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Posted: 4/23/2015 8:44:03 AM EDT
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a couple years ago somebody posted a 1966 Popular Mechanics article on the M16 in the retro forum. The pics from the article show the round handguard They were still Experimental Handgaurds back then but I remember the Article and they were right about the future if the M16's Furniture. They went into length about the guns need for a longer Stock and better Grip, etc. The Round handgaurds do lockup much tighter and are more Comfortable/Streamlined. Those Early Round HG's were made from the same material as A1 HG's. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 10:48:19 PM EDT
I have a set of LSO 20" guards I bought new around 1980ish I think. Never used them, really. Thought they were ugly(compared to the Colt version or old tri-guard).
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