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Posted: 9/19/2010 5:14:53 AM EDT
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Send them back to CP for replacement. All of mine, one dozen 30 round and one dozen current production 20 round all run without a hitch. If none of them fit and they are current production it makes me think the lower is at fault. The old first production 20R mags gave me some trouble (feeding SP) but an e-mail to CP not only had new mags on the way but a pre-paid sticker for the return of the old ones. Doesn't get much simpler than that.
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Posted: 9/19/2010 8:48:05 AM EDT
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It's deffinitely not the lower. I've tried the mag in several AR's and still the same issue. All my standard 5.56 mags fit into my Grendel lower without issue. It was bulged abnormally. I think when they spotwelded it together it was a tad too far apart.
It's great that they let you send them back for new ones. The probem is the down time between you having to ship them in and the cost of shipping. Then the week or longer wait for processing. Then the week of waiting for the new mags, and hoping they fit and / or work right out of the box. That's a minimum of like three weeks down time waiting on shipping alone. Not to mention the costs involved on the consumer end with shipping etc .... in the mean time, I am feeding bullets into my rifle one at a time. When I first started building my Grendel, I was pre-warned that people were having issues with the C product mags. I was told they just don't work right unless you tweak them. There was a thread with an industry member from C-products on this forum and I asked them what the deal was with thier mags. They assured me that any problems with thier C-products mags for the Grendel had been fixed and they work fine. Then, when I finally get my mags in the mail, low and behold, they don't work properly. I'm just disappointed. I expected and was assured better than that. |
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Posted: 9/19/2010 9:32:54 AM EDT
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44 Mag.com and Palmetto State Armory both sell 6.5 Grendel CP magazines for 6.5 G and both indicated they are in stock. 44 Mag has a sale on 25 round mags and special deal on shipping IIRC.
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Posted: 9/19/2010 10:05:37 AM EDT
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Thanks for the info ...... although, it still doesn't really do me any good. I appreciate the attempt to help me. But, I would just be ordering more C Products mags. I feel like even if I buy more new mags, I'm just going to end up with the same problems.
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Posted: 9/20/2010 5:03:03 AM EDT
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SIr, send me an email and we can figure this out. What type of weapon are you using? I can tell you first hand that Alexander Arms test fires their weapons before shipping and they do not have to "tweek" any feedlips before they work. Please contact me, there may be some compatability issues with some weapons that we are not aware of.
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Posted: 9/20/2010 9:53:21 AM EDT
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Muttt, EVERYONE is having problems??? I have 6.5Grendel mags in the 5rd, 10rd, and 27rd that I ordered through 44mag.com which are made by CProducts and I have not modified a single one and they fit in ALL my lowers and cycle 100% reliably. I can't figure out why I seem to be the only one, in terms of your comments, that has not had to mod any of my mags! It just baffles me!
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Posted: 9/20/2010 10:37:16 AM EDT
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While some people have certainly experienced problems, I think the vast majority of people have had pretty good success with their mags.
I've never had to tweak any of my mags, bought from AA, CProducts, and 44mag. My shooting partner, who believes you need as many mags as you do rounds of ammo, has never had any problems with his either. (Its not that bad, but he has enough mags to load every round he has, for every rifle, pistol, and carbine in his arsenal!). I do know it is frustrating, since I've had issues with mags in other AR's. Bill |
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Posted: 9/20/2010 11:59:03 AM EDT
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While some people have certainly experienced problems, I think the vast majority of people have had pretty good success with their mags. I've never had to tweak any of my mags, bought from AA, CProducts, and 44mag. My shooting partner, who believes you need as many mags as you do rounds of ammo, has never had any problems with his either. (Its not that bad, but he has enough mags to load every round he has, for every rifle, pistol, and carbine in his arsenal!). I do know it is frustrating, since I've had issues with mags in other AR's. Bill It is very frustrating indeed. We take our reputation seriously and we want to put out the best product possible but with all the variations within the weapons it can be very difficult. The only thing we can do is take in all the feedback we get and test and test and test. Chad |
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Posted: 9/20/2010 12:48:52 PM EDT
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It must something wrong with your weapon or particular mags because I NEVER had any problems with my CP 6.5 G mags. As for replacements, when I had issues with one of my 9mm mags, Chad sent me the replacement along with a shipping label to return the old one. Didn't cost me a dime and only a 1 week wait.
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Posted: 9/20/2010 2:53:55 PM EDT
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Posted by Mutt:
Thanks for the info ...... although, it still doesn't really do me any good. I appreciate the attempt to help me. But, I would just be ordering more C Products mags. I feel like even if I buy more new mags, I'm just going to end up with the same problems. Return the mags to CProducts, tweek the ones you have, or buy new mags. Those are your only options. Can't make you like the options but there they are. Interesting how you think that all CProduct mags will have the same problem as the two mags you have. Every company that sells tens of thousands of products is going to have a few slip through QC. |
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Posted: 9/20/2010 5:14:27 PM EDT
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Welll, I wrote the company. Lets see what they do about it.
I just want something to work if I spend money on it. Edited for the sensitive types. |
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Posted: 9/20/2010 5:33:09 PM EDT
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I was told the Grendel mags had issues before buying them. But, C Products is the only game in town selling Grendel mags. What can I do?? It's them or one round at a time. So I buy two ...... and neither one is right. Should I feel good about that?? What other conclusion is a guy supposed to come to?? Welll, I wrote the company. Lets see what they do about it. I'm not a complete bastard. I just want something to work if I spend money on it. Your concerns have been addressed by the rep from C products, here in the forum openly. Give them some time to rectify the situation. This is tech, no general discussion. Update this thread with the outcome. I am sure C-Products will work on this and get back to you ASAP. |
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Posted: 9/20/2010 6:14:52 PM EDT
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Welll, I wrote the company. Lets see what they do about it. I just want something to work if I spend money on it. Edited for the sensitive types. Dude, get with Chad and he will fix the problem, that's his job. I had issues with my mags as well and they replaced them no questions asked and the new ones work fine in my Grendel. I went through the mag tutorials and they were mostly out of spec, but then again I bought them around the big selling season way back in Nov. 2008. Coincidence? maybe. Indy |
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Posted: 9/21/2010 6:09:44 AM EDT
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Appearently, the only two places you can buy Gendel mags are from C product or from Alexander Arms (who get them from C Products). My question is, when is C Products going to finally put out a quality magazine that works right out of the box?? I guess having a monopoly takes away all the pressure from the QA department. I guess I should be happy that at least someone decided to make Grendel mags. I have two brand new C Products mags. I opened the plastic bag and tried to put the first one into my AR and it wouldn fit into the magwell of any of my ARs. I had to put in on the table and smack it with my fist to get it to fit into the magwell. Then it fit and cycled well. The other one fit into the magwell ok. But, the feed lips needed to be tweaked to get it to cycle properly. Now, I have read on the forums that everyone is having trouble with thier Grendel mags. There are even stickies that instruct you how to "modify" your mags to get them to operate properly. Now, I'm not a perfection freak, but I would at least like for my mags to function at least once when they are new out of the box. I have ten stoner 5.56 mags that worked perfectly right out of the box. I have had them for three years and I am yet to have any one of them fail to operate correctly. Is that really too much to ask?? When are we going to be able to get some quality Grendel mags???? The first thing you do when you have a problem with a product of a company is contact the company that manufactured the product. People like you really annoy the hell out of me (and many others here on the board) with your public bashing without any actual data or having tried to do the right thing. With that being said, my CP mags have been superb in all calibers (6.5, 6.8, 5.56/458). Never once had an issue... |
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Posted: 9/21/2010 5:30:19 PM EDT
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And if any of them was faulty right out of the package ...... I'd bet you'd be the first one to get in line to bitch about it. I hate people that talk shit safely hidden behind the anonymity of the internet. Who are you to judge me.
I'm not blessed with unlimited funds. So, when I buy something, I expect it to work. When it don't work, i've paid for my right to give my opinion about it. I was told no GD in the tech forum. So ..... that applies to you too. IndyGrendel, I bought these mags through a Gun Parts broker with a small business. I like trying to support the little guys. Anyway, I suspect these mags are from his built up inventory of C Products mags that may have come to him during the time you refer too. I don't assume his turn over of inventory is a fast as more of the bigger places like Bravo Co. or the like. Plus ...... I've gotten with Chad. I'm waiting for them to get back to me. |
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Posted: 9/21/2010 7:40:38 PM EDT
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Theyre an industry partner here. What did you expect?
Theres enough badness being said about CProducts out there to beware. |
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Posted: 9/22/2010 4:50:30 AM EDT
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Theyre an industry partner here. What did you expect? Theres enough badness being said about CProducts out there to beware. There is "badness" being said here about every company. When you produce 25,000 magazines a day there is just no way to catch absolutely everything all the time. This is certainly no excuse and if I got bad product I would be upset too. The fact is our ship/returns ratio is very low (I won't say its some ridiculous number like 2 out of every 100,000 like some sponsors on here claim) but we still have room to improve and we work everyday towards making that happen. Chad |
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Posted: 9/22/2010 5:36:26 AM EDT
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And if any of them was faulty right out of the package ...... I'd bet you'd be the first one to get in line to bitch about it. I hate people that talk shit safely hidden behind the anonymity of the internet. Who are you to judge me. I'm not blessed with unlimited funds. So, when I buy something, I expect it to work. When it don't work, i've paid for my right to give my opinion about it. I was told no GD in the tech forum. So ..... that applies to you too. That's funny, as I was thinking this isn't a caliber variant tech question, but rather a magazine tech question in the wrong section
Next time, as stated, try working it out with the manufacturer before wasting space here. If the manufacturer doesn't fix the problem, then feel free to post up... |
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Posted: 9/22/2010 5:38:39 AM EDT
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All of my C-Product Grendel mags run flawlessly.
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Posted: 9/22/2010 3:30:57 PM EDT
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And if any of them was faulty right out of the package ...... I'd bet you'd be the first one to get in line to bitch about it. I hate people that talk shit safely hidden behind the anonymity of the internet. Who are you to judge me. I'm not blessed with unlimited funds. So, when I buy something, I expect it to work. When it don't work, i've paid for my right to give my opinion about it. I was told no GD in the tech forum. So ..... that applies to you too. That's funny, as I was thinking this isn't a caliber variant tech question, but rather a magazine tech question in the wrong section
Next time, as stated, try working it out with the manufacturer before wasting space here. If the manufacturer doesn't fix the problem, then feel free to post up... Yeah Yeah ....... you win .... you're smarter than me. No need to argue any further. You win. God forbid I post about an AR 6.5 Grendel product in the AR variants forum. But your right, I should be happy that the company even allows me to buy thier products. I'll go in now, drink my cool aid and be a good boy. You win. |
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Posted: 9/22/2010 3:41:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: Knock it off, he's free to start this thread. Quoted: And if any of them was faulty right out of the package ...... I'd bet you'd be the first one to get in line to bitch about it. I hate people that talk shit safely hidden behind the anonymity of the internet. Who are you to judge me. I'm not blessed with unlimited funds. So, when I buy something, I expect it to work. When it don't work, i've paid for my right to give my opinion about it. I was told no GD in the tech forum. So ..... that applies to you too. That's funny, as I was thinking this isn't a caliber variant tech question, but rather a magazine tech question in the wrong section Next time, as stated, try working it out with the manufacturer before wasting space here. If the manufacturer doesn't fix the problem, then feel free to post up... |
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Posted: 9/22/2010 6:30:04 PM EDT
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I'm kinda glad I caught this thread. I'm building a 6.5 Grendel (264 LBC actually) and was getting ready to order some C-Products Mags from 44mag.
After reading the replies I feel confident that in the rare occasion that the mags don't work I know right were to get help direct from the manufacturer from....Here. I can understand frustrations when stuff doesn't work but IMO the real test of a company is how they make things right when inevitably they can't be perfect. All's well that ends well.........................DJ |
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Posted: 9/23/2010 5:16:23 AM EDT
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I have never had a magazine related ftf with any of the 4 C-Products magazines for my Grendel. I also have 4 Stoner 223 mags that are supposedly made by C-Products and have never had any problems with them. It seems as though everyone who has had problems and has contacted either C-Products or 44Mag has been taken care of.
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Posted: 9/23/2010 5:46:57 AM EDT
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This might be a dumb question but oh well here goes. I just bought a C Products 5 round mag and it works fine with 4 rounds in it but with five the mag catch wont catch it. The bottom round in the mag wont let the mag catch catch on the little square hole in the mag. It just falls out of the gun. So my question is do u guys think i bought a four round mag that u can squeeze five into (it is a very tight fit for five rounds) or is there something wrong with it?
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Posted: 9/23/2010 6:12:29 AM EDT
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This might be a dumb question but oh well here goes. I just bought a C Products 5 round mag and it works fine with 4 rounds in it but with five the mag catch wont catch it. The bottom round in the mag wont let the mag catch catch on the little square hole in the mag. It just falls out of the gun. So my question is do u guys think i bought a four round mag that u can squeeze five into (it is a very tight fit for five rounds) or is there something wrong with it? Sir, where did the magazine come from? We do make a 4rd magazine for one specific OEM. Chad |
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Posted: 9/23/2010 8:32:35 AM EDT
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Well, I bought from a little gun parts broker. A small business trying to make a go of it in this shitty economy. Since they don't make the mags, they just resell them, I didn't go back to them. I figured since there were already known problems with the Grendel mags, then it wouldn't be fair to go after the middle man ..... it wasn't his doing or his fault. Since I didn't buy them directly from C Products, I figured they would not work with me, since I don't have a recipt from them. I wasn't sure were to go to deal with this. So, I decided to post a thread about my issues ...... hoping for satisfaction of some sort. Or, to at least let the manufacturer know there are probllems with the Grendel mags ...... still ...... and hope to get the problems fixed.
Chastise me if I'm wrong. I'm just trying to get things fixed. From speaking with others, I get the impression that the earlier magazines had many more issues than the present day magazines. And, hopefully many of the older issues with the magazines have been dealt with and have been fixed. I may have just gotten two of these older magazines. That's highly likely. |
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Posted: 9/23/2010 8:45:00 AM EDT
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This might be a dumb question but oh well here goes. I just bought a C Products 5 round mag and it works fine with 4 rounds in it but with five the mag catch wont catch it. The bottom round in the mag wont let the mag catch catch on the little square hole in the mag. It just falls out of the gun. So my question is do u guys think i bought a four round mag that u can squeeze five into (it is a very tight fit for five rounds) or is there something wrong with it? Sir, where did the magazine come from? We do make a 4rd magazine for one specific OEM. Chad I bought it from midway as a five round mag. |
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Posted: 9/23/2010 9:37:00 AM EDT
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This might be a dumb question but oh well here goes. I just bought a C Products 5 round mag and it works fine with 4 rounds in it but with five the mag catch wont catch it. The bottom round in the mag wont let the mag catch catch on the little square hole in the mag. It just falls out of the gun. So my question is do u guys think i bought a four round mag that u can squeeze five into (it is a very tight fit for five rounds) or is there something wrong with it? Sir, where did the magazine come from? We do make a 4rd magazine for one specific OEM. Chad I bought it from midway as a five round mag. Shoot me an email and I will take care of you. [email protected] Chad |
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Posted: 9/23/2010 12:02:15 PM EDT
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This might be a dumb question but oh well here goes. I just bought a C Products 5 round mag and it works fine with 4 rounds in it but with five the mag catch wont catch it. The bottom round in the mag wont let the mag catch catch on the little square hole in the mag. It just falls out of the gun. So my question is do u guys think i bought a four round mag that u can squeeze five into (it is a very tight fit for five rounds) or is there something wrong with it? Are you trying to insert it with the bolt closed? If so many of the low cap mags are too tight to be inserted loaded to capacity. I think it is because the low cap mags are designed for use by hunters where high cap mags are illegal. By making them barely hold 5 rounds somebody can't squeeze 6 in there and violate hunting laws. |
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Posted: 9/23/2010 12:08:29 PM EDT
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Altair
I am not sure if i have tried it with the bolt open but i will give it a shot. I let you kno how it turns out. |
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Posted: 9/23/2010 12:19:22 PM EDT
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I just tried it with the bolt back and it worked perfectly. Its kinda a pain having to hold the bolt back just to be able to put a full mag in but it makes sense. That way the only way to put a full five round mag in the gun is to have the bolt back and when u let the bolt go it atomatically becomes four + one.
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Posted: 9/24/2010 4:28:40 AM EDT
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I just tried it with the bolt back and it worked perfectly. Its kinda a pain having to hold the bolt back just to be able to put a full mag in but it makes sense. That way the only way to put a full five round mag in the gun is to have the bolt back and when u let the bolt go it atomatically becomes four + one. The 5rd rules are a little foggy. Some companies believe that a true 5rd mag is one that holds 4rds and one in the chamber, while others believe it as a magazine holding 5 full rounds. Chad |
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Posted: 9/24/2010 8:41:02 AM EDT
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Fortunately with the AR, there is a bolt hold open that allows loading more easily. It even holds the bolt open on the last shot to speed up reloading. Its like Stoner thought that might be important in combat.
There is another school of thought that changing mags in the middle of a firefight to have a full one is important. Entry teams and urban conflict seem to have brought this out. They teach loading against a closed bolt. If you are an entry team LEO, or on active duty, go right ahead. They DON'T do it loading the first mag, tho. It's selective. Unless you have rounds being fired at you, it's better off to lock the bolt to the rear and load it that way. Then you can finish chambering a round. There's no point having a loaded magazine in the rifle with nothing chambered, and a closed bolt. Nothing of value has been accomplished, things have actually been made more difficult. High taper cases are a problem when forced to feed through a straight 20 round mag well. That C products can get them to work at all is a pretty big accomplishment. Kalashnikov wouldn't accept the compromise, and "cut away" the mag well so a curved mag would feed properly. Grendels aren't unique in that even the GI mag would work better if it could be curved right up to the feed lips. We're living with a straight 20 round light taper mag well design whether it's optimum or not. |
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Posted: 9/29/2010 9:45:14 AM EDT
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Fortunately with the AR, there is a bolt hold open that allows loading more easily. It even holds the bolt open on the last shot to speed up reloading. Its like Stoner thought that might be important in combat.
There is another school of thought that changing mags in the middle of a firefight to have a full one is important. Entry teams and urban conflict seem to have brought this out. They teach loading against a closed bolt. If you are an entry team LEO, or on active duty, go right ahead. They DON'T do it loading the first mag, tho. It's selective. Unless you have rounds being fired at you, it's better off to lock the bolt to the rear and load it that way. Then you can finish chambering a round. There's no point having a loaded magazine in the rifle with nothing chambered, and a closed bolt. Nothing of value has been accomplished, things have actually been made more difficult. High taper cases are a problem when forced to feed through a straight 20 round mag well. That C products can get them to work at all is a pretty big accomplishment. Kalashnikov wouldn't accept the compromise, and "cut away" the mag well so a curved mag would feed properly. Grendels aren't unique in that even the GI mag would work better if it could be curved right up to the feed lips. We're living with a straight 20 round light taper mag well design whether it's optimum or not. The reload you speak of is called a "tactical reload" as opposed to a "combat reload". The "tactical" reload is for when you have been engaged in a firefight and find yourself behind cover without any viable targets to engage you can swap the partial mag for a full one so that when you have to engage again you have a full magazine. This is also why most carbine classes teach loading 18 rounds in a 20 and 28 rounds in a 30, it gives the extra space to seat the mag on a closed bolt. Or you could just use Pmags as they have the extra space built in to load on a closed bolt when loaded to capacity. The "combat" reload is simply dumping the empty mag and getting a full one in as fast as possible, usually on an open bolt. |
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Posted: 9/29/2010 11:37:55 AM EDT
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Update .......
It's been around ten days since I emailed C-products. They basically told me that a magazine not fitting into the magazine well is unsatisfactory and should be replaced. Then Chad told me that he forwarded my email to Barry. I provided them with my name and address. Since then, I have had no further contact from C-products. I've emailed them asking them for a update on the status of my malfunctioning magazines. I haven't heard back from Chad or Barry. I haven't recieved a return mailing label in the mail or by email. Still waiting for C-product to make the next move. Just keeping everyone updated on the process. |
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Posted: 9/29/2010 12:34:14 PM EDT
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Update ....... It's been around ten days since I emailed C-products. They basically told me that a magazine not fitting into the magazine well is unsatisfactory and should be replaced. Then Chad told me that he forwarded my email to Barry. I provided them with my name and address. Since then, I have had no further contact from C-products. I've emailed them asking them for a update on the status of my malfunctioning magazines. I haven't heard back from Chad or Barry. I haven't recieved a return mailing label in the mail or by email. Still waiting for C-product to make the next move. Just keeping everyone updated on the process. The 6.5's are in production, they will be ready early next week. I will ship your replacements as soon as they come back. Chad |
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Posted: 9/29/2010 2:19:20 PM EDT
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Chad,
I don't mean to be an ass. I just want to shoot my rifle. I sent three emails with no reply and I don't hear anything back until I put an update on ARFcom. It shouldn't have to be that way. Why couldn't I just get a reply to my e-mails instead, saying the same thing you put up on here?? I know I'm not your only concern. But, I feel that a week is long enough to wait for a reply to a simple e-mail. I was more than happy dealing with this one on one .... OFFLINE. But, I couldn't get any replies offline. I should NOT have had to come on here "AGAIN" and update my post just to get a reply. I don't think I'm being too difficult about this. I just wanted a simple reply to the several e-mails I sent out. I was waiting for your company to fix my issue. In which case, I would have simply updated this thread with a "C products took care of me .... etc. etc." update. But, so far, that has not been the issue. Mutt |
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Posted: 9/29/2010 8:14:23 PM EDT
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Theyre an industry partner here. What did you expect? Theres enough badness being said about CProducts out there to beware. There is "badness" being said here about every company. When you produce 25,000 magazines a day there is just no way to catch absolutely everything all the time. This is certainly no excuse and if I got bad product I would be upset too. The fact is our ship/returns ratio is very low (I won't say its some ridiculous number like 2 out of every 100,000 like some sponsors on here claim) but we still have room to improve and we work everyday towards making that happen. Chad That would sound great to someone that hasnt had a 100% failure rate in every CPI magazine they've purchased (24 so far). Sorry, but...its the quantity over quality mindset and I dont agree with it, and I'm not buying it. I'm tired of returning mags, and I'll spend a few dollars more for ones that work out of the wrap. |
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Posted: 9/30/2010 4:53:21 AM EDT
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Theyre an industry partner here. What did you expect? Theres enough badness being said about CProducts out there to beware. There is "badness" being said here about every company. When you produce 25,000 magazines a day there is just no way to catch absolutely everything all the time. This is certainly no excuse and if I got bad product I would be upset too. The fact is our ship/returns ratio is very low (I won't say its some ridiculous number like 2 out of every 100,000 like some sponsors on here claim) but we still have room to improve and we work everyday towards making that happen. Chad That would sound great to someone that hasnt had a 100% failure rate in every CPI magazine they've purchased (24 so far). Sorry, but...its the quantity over quality mindset and I dont agree with it, and I'm not buying it. I'm tired of returning mags, and I'll spend a few dollars more for ones that work out of the wrap. Sir not trying to be difficult, but if you got 24 magazines and they all do not work maybe its time to consider that maybe its not the magazines? I don't know for sure as this is the first time I am hearing from you about this but it seems highly unlikely that you got 24 magazines and they all don't work. Email me if you want and I can try to help. [email protected] Chad |
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Posted: 9/30/2010 5:59:14 AM EDT
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Theyre an industry partner here. What did you expect? Theres enough badness being said about CProducts out there to beware. There is "badness" being said here about every company. When you produce 25,000 magazines a day there is just no way to catch absolutely everything all the time. This is certainly no excuse and if I got bad product I would be upset too. The fact is our ship/returns ratio is very low (I won't say its some ridiculous number like 2 out of every 100,000 like some sponsors on here claim) but we still have room to improve and we work everyday towards making that happen. Chad That would sound great to someone that hasnt had a 100% failure rate in every CPI magazine they've purchased (24 so far). Sorry, but...its the quantity over quality mindset and I dont agree with it, and I'm not buying it. I'm tired of returning mags, and I'll spend a few dollars more for ones that work out of the wrap. Sir not trying to be difficult, but if you got 24 magazines and they all do not work maybe its time to consider that maybe its not the magazines? I don't know for sure as this is the first time I am hearing from you about this but it seems highly unlikely that you got 24 magazines and they all don't work. Email me if you want and I can try to help. [email protected] Chad DPMS LR308; the factory DPMS mags that came with it worked fine. Bought the original 6 CPI mags from 44mag, all did not fit right, caused the gun to lock up. Sent back to CPI for replacements. None of the replacements worked either; that was CPIs chance to get it right. Sent those back and sold the replacements NIW. Have since bought 3 more DPMS mags and 10 LR20 PMAGs, all work 100%. Mega AR15 lower that I've had for 6 years; every mag I own has worked in this lower, USGI, PMAG, preban Thermolds, Bravo company mags, etc.; bought a 5.45 piston upper from Adams. The CPI mag that came with it worked ok, probably because Adams buys in bulk and can sift through to find good ones to ship with their (outstanding) product. Bought 6 more mags from 44mag; none would fit. Some would fit if you forced it, but of course wouldnt drop free. Others would not fit the magwell period. Sent all back to 44mag; they replaced them, none of THOSE worked either. They refunded my money and I ditched the upper for lack of mag availability. I apprciate the good customer service, but when I have to send mags back multiple times I'm done. |
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Posted: 9/30/2010 6:42:05 AM EDT
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Its strange that you have had these issues with the .308 magazines, without getting into too much detail on a public forum we have a relationship with DPMS.
I know you have sold the magazines you had from us, but email me anyways and I will send you out one free of charge to try. (you keep refering to the magazines as CPI, your positive that they are C Products magazines right? I don't know what the "I" in CPI stands for) [email protected] Chad |
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Posted: 9/30/2010 8:21:51 AM EDT
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Its strange that you have had these issues with the .308 magazines, without getting into too much detail on a public forum we have a relationship with DPMS. I know you have sold the magazines you had from us, but email me anyways and I will send you out one free of charge to try. (you keep refering to the magazines as CPI, your positive that they are C Products magazines right? I don't know what the "I" in CPI stands for) [email protected] Chad I forgot it was CProducts LLC, I thought it was CProducts industries. CPI certainly has a nice ring to it. |
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Posted: 9/30/2010 9:41:39 AM EDT
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Its strange that you have had these issues with the .308 magazines, without getting into too much detail on a public forum we have a relationship with DPMS. I know you have sold the magazines you had from us, but email me anyways and I will send you out one free of charge to try. (you keep refering to the magazines as CPI, your positive that they are C Products magazines right? I don't know what the "I" in CPI stands for) [email protected] Chad I forgot it was CProducts LLC, I thought it was CProducts industries. CPI certainly has a nice ring to it. Lol it does, maybe I can convince someone here to change it!!! |
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Posted: 9/30/2010 10:21:37 AM EDT
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Chad, I don't mean to be an ass. I just want to shoot my rifle. I sent three emails with no reply and I don't hear anything back until I put an update on ARFcom. It shouldn't have to be that way. Why couldn't I just get a reply to my e-mails instead, saying the same thing you put up on here?? I know I'm not your only concern. But, I feel that a week is long enough to wait for a reply to a simple e-mail. I was more than happy dealing with this one on one .... OFFLINE. But, I couldn't get any replies offline. I should NOT have had to come on here "AGAIN" and update my post just to get a reply. I don't think I'm being too difficult about this. I just wanted a simple reply to the several e-mails I sent out. I was waiting for your company to fix my issue. In which case, I would have simply updated this thread with a "C products took care of me .... etc. etc." update. But, so far, that has not been the issue. Mutt I hate to pile on, but I've had the same experience with CProducts. Back in June, I mentioned in a forum post that I had trouble with some of their 25-round 6.8 SPC magazines. Chad saw my post and asked that I contact him. I IM'd Chad directly and explained the problem. He stated that he would send replacements and cover shipping both ways. Weeks went by. I IM'd Chad and Larry. I even emailed customer service directly about the status of the replacements. CProducts, Chad, and Larry basically ignored ALL of my messages. Months after Chad contacted me, after I sent reminders and emails, I decided to return the magazines at my cost. FedEx shows that they were delivered to CProducts and signed for by R Roderick on Sept. 14. Two weeks later I haven't heard anything. No confirmation that they were received. No questions. No updates. (Way to throw good money after bad. Not only did I pay for unreliable magazines, I paid to ship them back.) I agree with Mutt, a little communication goes a long way. A simple IM or email to the user would save CProducts the potential damage to their reputation and sales that comes from angry users posting their negative experiences on public forums such as ar15.com. As I haven't heard anything about my return, I can only conclude that CProducts DOESN'T care about it's reputation. |
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Posted: 9/30/2010 10:46:46 AM EDT
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Sir I am truly sorry that this has happened. I simply screwed up. Email me your information and I promise you I will make it up to you.
[email protected] Chad |
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Posted: 9/30/2010 11:59:49 AM EDT
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Sir I am truly sorry that this has happened. I simply screwed up. Email me your information and I promise you I will make it up to you. [email protected] Chad Email sent. |
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Posted: 9/30/2010 9:18:16 PM EDT
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I have the parts to build a 6.5Grendel SPR/Reece-ish upper but have yet to order the mags. Like many here, I have seen mixed reviews of the C-Products Mags.
I am interested to know what on the mags is causing the issue (on the ones that have issue) and what, if any, parts can be switched from a standard 5.56mm USGI Mag to a Grendel mag without alteration? Where are the differences in the mags? A friend who has a 6.5 pointed out that the feed lips appear to have more of a space in between (would make since because of the larger round) and that the follower has slightly more of a hump than the USGI follower. Are these the only differences? |
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Posted: 10/1/2010 7:47:50 AM EDT
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There is more room inside the magazine to make room for the larger cases. The outside of the case has different stiffening grooves than a typical 5.56 mag. The follower is also different than a 5.56 follower. You can't use anything from a 5.56 mag for a 6.5 mag.
Basically you have two choices, you can buy the Alexander Arms magazines (that are made by C products) or you can buy a C products magazine. They are the only Grendel magazines available right now. Supposedly, there is another company getting ready to put out some Grendel mags. But, I haven't heard yet who the company is. |
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Posted: 10/6/2010 6:50:31 PM EDT
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UPDATE ......... still just waiting. Will post up when something new happens.
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Posted: 10/8/2010 6:08:57 PM EDT
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I have had a few issues with some of mine. What, are they 27 rd mags......? There would be one or two that would be tight with the full 27rds. I just run with 25 or 26. I haven't ran all of them through the range with a full mag to make sure they function all the time. Ammo issues, need to get more reloaded and worked up. All in all I am happy with mine. If I have issues, I have not problem asking for manufacturer input.
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