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Posted: 10/3/2004 7:24:00 AM EST
I've got a 20" Model 1 Sales "Match" rifle and have been struggling to find accuracy below 1" to 1-1/2" at 200 yds. I'm just trying to figure out if an AR is capable of producing that kind of accuracy at that distance off a bench. If any of you are getting accuracy of 1" to 1-1/2", what kind of equipment are you using? Do you think its time to upgrade to a higher quality upper?


As always, your input is very much appreciated
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 7:27:05 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 8:07:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2004 8:17:34 AM EST by gj]
5/8" 5 shots 200yrds

Eagle Arms- Action Master,
4-16x40 Tasco Mag IV,
20" heavy barrel 1-9 twist .
Hornaday 52 gr A-max,
(Powder WW-748 I think?)
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 8:31:41 AM EST
3/4" is the best I can muster up
Colt CAR6724 with a Leupold 8.5-25x50mm Long Range Target
from the bench with a sandbag
Hornady 55gr V-Max
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 8:54:25 AM EST
26" flat top useing 40gr Vmax 3 shots = less then 1/2"


Link Posted: 10/3/2004 9:13:48 AM EST
Personal semi-auto record is 5 shots INSIDE 1.25 inches @ 200 yards using Win 45 jhps and a 15X Weaver. The Med. Wt. barrel marked "C MP 5.56 NATO 1/12" is NOT EVEN FREE FLOATED!

Paladin
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 9:43:50 AM EST
NEW GUY
I've got a 2-stage jewell, free floated barrel and a nikon monarch 5.5-16.5 scope a competition-type benchrest as well as a forend adapter that only allows rearward movement. I've adjusted just about every bullet, powder, primer and brass available. Thats what lead me to believe that perhaps my barrel/upper is not up to the job. Should I invest in a better upper than my Model 1? I can't really afford a $1000+ custom upper. Kind of thinking of a Fulton Armory predator/varmit upper? any experience or other recomendations?


Thanks again for all the help!
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 9:49:30 AM EST
ADDENDUM,
Who makes an upper that guarantees 1 MOA for reasonable ($500-700)
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 10:03:59 AM EST
My best personal shooting at 200 yards was during a reduced course CMP match. During the rapid prone stage, 7 rounds made a 1" group at 12 o'clock in 10 ring. The other three made a 1" group above that in the nine ring.

I've never been able to duplicate that for a 10 shot string.

RIFLE:
Colt Sporter with CMP modifications done by Olympic's Custom Shop
RRA float tube.
Bob Jones Rear Sight
Armalite Front Post
Trigger Job on Stock Parts

LOAD:
Sierra 69gr SMK
25gr W748
New LC Brass (from CMP)
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 10:25:18 AM EST
It sounds like everything is there. $500 for a rebarrel and you should be there.



mark

Link Posted: 10/3/2004 10:37:48 AM EST
My personal best is 7/8 inch 5 shot group out of a stock 20 inch colt. It took me several days of playing with reloads to find the one it liked, but it was worth it!


Link Posted: 10/3/2004 10:40:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2004 10:41:15 AM EST by MaverickMkii]
200 meters
5.5"
10 shots
Black Hills 77gr SMK (remanned)
Bushy 20" Gov't chrome-lined barrel
Stock trigger
TA31 ACOG DoD
Prone position
No artificial support
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 11:09:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2004 11:12:19 AM EST by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By Patriot223:
I've got a 20" Model 1 Sales "Match" rifle and have been struggling to find accuracy below 1" to 1-1/2" at 200 yds. I'm just trying to figure out if an AR is capable of producing that kind of accuracy at that distance off a bench. If any of you are getting accuracy of 1" to 1-1/2", what kind of equipment are you using? Do you think its time to upgrade to a higher quality upper?


As always, your input is very much appreciated



Your 'match' rifle should do about 1MOA at 200yds from a sitting position with irons & proper sling use, if you're that good...

Ammo makes a big difference, HEAVIER IS BETTER....

My personal best is a 91, 200 sitting, with an Oly Arms 20" HBAR (no mods)... 1st 5 were 2Xs and 3 10s (which makes for around a 5-6" group), lost the 9 points on the last 5...
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 11:33:47 AM EST
RRA Varmint, 3 shots at a 3" dot:
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 3:07:20 PM EST
Personal best 200-yard? 100-5X from sitting at a Highpower match. It was the X-ring and south. Figure roughly 5-6" from position.

Rifle: Box-Stock Armalite National Match model AR-15

Load: LC cases, mixed; CCI-400 primer; 77gr Nosler J4; 24.5gr H-Varget; seated to 2.25" and go.

Quite frankly, with 1-1.5" groups at 200, I'd be quite happy and more worried about practicing, but that is just me. (And the attitude that has taken me to Master-class Highpower shooter in my first year. Next year the goal is to produce scores in the 96-97% range and start chasing distinguished points.)
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 4:41:35 AM EST
are you talking off hand or bench ??

my offhand shooting group is about 14" @ 200 Y..., bench, about 4"-6", which i consider good enough to kill my enemies !!
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 5:09:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By Patriot223:
I've got a 20" Model 1 Sales "Match" rifle and have been struggling to find accuracy below 1" to 1-1/2" at 200 yds. I'm just trying to figure out if an AR is capable of producing that kind of accuracy at that distance off a bench. If any of you are getting accuracy of 1" to 1-1/2", what kind of equipment are you using? Do you think its time to upgrade to a higher quality upper?


As always, your input is very much appreciated



As noted by others.........., your getting sub-MOA groups (as MOA at 200 Yards is 2") and if ya get 1" groups your getting 1/2 MOA.

I'm wondering like others why your claiming this ain't no good, seems pretty decent to me.

FWIW my 24" CR6724 w/ Leupy 4.5x14x40 Tactical mil-dot scope bench'd, fed custom 77grn. SMKs shoots 3/4" to 1" 5 and 10 shot groups on average at 200 yards IF I do my part.

Mike
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 5:25:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By Patriot223:
.... Should I invest in a better upper than my Model 1? ....



No offense - but buying from one of the lower end vendors and expecting super performance is a bit much.

Spend a few bucks and get a Oly SUM barrel - probably the best bang for the buck if you don't want to get a high end barrel.
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 5:27:29 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 6:36:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By brouhaha:
.22" one shot group



Yep, mine will do that ALL week long, and with ANY type of ammo!!! Its also just a carbine with IRON SIGHTS, not a NM!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 6:52:27 AM EST
.785" 5 shots from 200m off the elbows and bipod.
Olympic SUM, 20" 1-10
40gr Vmax moly
26.5gr H335
CCI mag primer
LC 84 brass
2.260" COL

she shoots better than I can
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 6:54:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/4/2004 6:56:09 AM EST by martinTN]

Originally Posted By brouhaha:
.22" one shot group



Link Posted: 10/4/2004 7:51:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/4/2004 7:51:56 AM EST by SWO_daddy]
I don't know about how well it would shoot from a bench with a scope, because I never shoot that way.

But I can shoot the shit out of a 200 yard NRA highpower target's 1.5 MOA X ring all day long, from a sling supported sitting position, wearing a shooting coat and glove, using my NM RRA. Now that's slow fire, mind you.

No scope, just NM iron sights.
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 8:11:03 AM EST
JP CTR-02, 20" 1:8

Black Hills 75gr

Five shots 0.57" C2C at 220 yards, or about quarter MOA.

-z
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 8:12:20 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 9:00:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By JSIG:

Originally Posted By brouhaha:
.22" one shot group



Yep, mine will do that ALL week long, and with ANY type of ammo!!! Its also just a carbine with IRON SIGHTS, not a NM!!!!!!!



And at any range no less!!
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