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Posted: 5/31/2008 11:06:25 PM EDT
Elections and a changing of the guard is inevidable!!
what are some things that were banned by slick willy that might be banned again? what should i buy now just in case? what are you guys stocking up on? pistol/AR mags? certain types of AR furniture:stocks,grips,rails,slings? tactical optics? i was still in high school when billy was in office,so i'm wondering what happened then and what could happen again i see alot of Pre-ban and Post-ban stuff for sale but i honestly dont understand what the difference is between the two what if we are doomed to repeat history  |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 11:20:34 PM EDT
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I want to buy 2 or 3 lowers, atleast 1 upper. Ammo too.
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Posted: 5/31/2008 11:22:50 PM EDT
[#2]
Lowers lowers lowers lowers lowers lowers! And did i say lowers?
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Posted: 5/31/2008 11:26:49 PM EDT
[#3]
so why all the lowers?
like i said i dont completly understand what could happen as for ammo,i roll my own so no problem there! |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 11:32:13 PM EDT
[#4]
I have been stocking up since the last ban ended. Paranoid or not, I aint gonna get
caught with my pants down again. I have been slacking off on my ammo lately but I am about to fix that issue. I still have enough to survive off of for a few years, but not hardly enough for my likes. Make no doubts about it, if it is a gun that I really have wanted and I could afford it, I own it now. Or at least did untill I went boating with them all last week 
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Posted: 5/31/2008 11:49:58 PM EDT
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You want the lowers because this is the "marked" part of the rifle that you need the permit for. Everything else from internals to uppers can be had without to much paperwork and you will always have the option of building something after a "ban". You want ammo because....well because you can never have enough quality ammo in reserve for whatever the reason may be 
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Posted: 5/31/2008 11:52:02 PM EDT
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Thank god I live in a free state where I don't need a permit to buy a gun. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 12:06:19 AM EDT
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My goal is to own at least 100 AR mags by the end of this year.
Most will be (and are so far) USGI aluminum 30 rnds with MagPul's outstanding followers. Got 30 of those currently. Most are D&H. I want more NHMTG mags. I've got 20 C Products stainless steel, and 10 PMAGs And a few 20 rnd mags too. I have an entire 50 cal ammo can full of various replacement springs for my mags. I have over a thousand stripper clips and a few dozen spoons. So I think I'm off to a good start. I've got thirty 30 rnd mags for my AK. I have a 50 cal ammo box full of 7 rnd 1911 mags and a growing stash of Beretta mags for my 9mm 92FS. Got a nice little stash of Browning HP mags too. I've got a nice supply of ammo for them all too. And getting more ammo every week.  On my want list: I'd still like to obtain a CZ75B 9mm pistol. I'd like another AR, but would rather build it (not literally from scratch though; I mean mating a complete upper to a complete lower). LaRue's uppers look mighty fine to me. I have some spare parts for my AR, but I'd like to have a large supply of them. My brother is considering buying/building a 6.8SPC AR. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 12:18:37 AM EDT
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who's got the best deals on bulk USGI mags,this is one of my priorities also. i'v checked out bravo company and PK firearms,bravocomp has 10 mag packages but i dont think there USGI like PK sells. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 12:24:53 AM EDT
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We don't have to have a permit for rifles..sorry for the inference. We do have to get the background check for the recievers. I feel that if there is any reg.s put forth on the AR platform then these and complete rifleles/CAR's will be hard to get but the parts for them will still be available.
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Posted: 6/1/2008 12:33:50 AM EDT
[#10]
Am I understanding this correctly? If a new ban does come and it is similar to last one, can I build any configuration I want? As long as the lower is pre new ban date.
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Posted: 6/1/2008 12:35:53 AM EDT
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I think it is foolish to think that any new ban would be like the last but yes, ONLY if it were in an assault rifle configuration before the ban... and that is ONLY assuming that any future ban be like the last one. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 5:27:09 AM EDT
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First off, November would not be a cutoff date.
Secondly, I would buy all you can, as soon as you can as prices rise daily. Thirdly, How many guns/rifles do you really need. I personally believe that: 2 rifles 2 handguns 2 shotguns per person in your household is plenty. I also believe that from that point you should be stocking up on ammo from that point forward. IE: (per person) 2,000 rounds-rifle 1,000 rounds-handgun 500 rounds-shotgun Build yourself a bunker/shelter of some sorts and place 80% of supplies for your arsenal in it along with living supplies for about 1 year. This is just my belief and YMMV 
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Posted: 6/1/2008 5:33:38 AM EDT
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Dont forget plenty of porn and lube  Seriously though... How many guns do you need? ALL OF THEM  geesh... Newbee...
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Posted: 6/1/2008 5:38:44 AM EDT
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Ammo and mags. Keep the reciepts for both.
With the way that Heller looks to go a ban is not likely to have the teeth that the original had against the guns, but ammo and magazines I can see the slime trying to take. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 5:47:01 AM EDT
[#15]
Yup. Magazines will be first. They will get us through attrition on ammo. Gov't just has to tell the manufacturers to raise prices to where it's not viable to buy large quantities at a time. Isn't it already twice in 2008 they've raised prices across the board so far? |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 5:54:38 AM EDT
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I usually get bored by all the ammo whore posts but I'm starting to buy a 20 round box every time I go to a store where its sold...and I'm saving it and shooting with my Ciener kit when I go to the range...
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Posted: 6/1/2008 6:19:01 AM EDT
[#17]
I am stocking up on 30 round mags and ammo. Hard to tell what the next ban might exclude.
John |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 6:49:35 AM EDT
[#18]
i would also stock up on ammo. all your gear is worthless with nothing to feed it.
Markus |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 7:02:11 AM EDT
[#19]
So..... pretty much.... Everything
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Posted: 6/1/2008 7:07:38 AM EDT
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Please, no linking to sales in this forum.
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Posted: 6/1/2008 9:00:31 AM EDT
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In regards to the next ban....one only need to look at history.
Alcohol- The first ban is on consumption. When this doesn't work, it gets regulated and taxed to death! Consider also: Ammo tax- Much like the 'sin taxes' on alcohol and tabocco Reloading license- To ensure public safety, reloading of ammunition is now licensed and controlled by the Fed. Firearms Tax- Gasoline is taxed by the fed/state to assist in funding highway projects. What if guns were taxed to assist in funding victim's right's? I doubt the next ban will be as direct as the last, but it could be much more pervasive |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 9:05:26 AM EDT
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Owning a shit ton of stripped lowers wouldn't have helped you in the last ban- if it hadn't been built into a firearm (complete) before the ban, it could only be built into a "post-ban" after the ban was enacted.
My advice- complete the lowers, place a "no-ban" upper and photgraph with some sort of way to prove the date the photo was taken. I don't forsee an ammo ban. A lot of people are getting anxious with the current price but, that has more to do with the price of metals. No doubt it has put a crunch on my shooting. My pay has gone up with the price but, it's getting harder to justify. In any case, I have enough brass for a lifetime or better. I will start stocking on components toward the end of the year. I already have a dillon 650. I see another 650 and a 550 in my future. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 9:14:50 AM EDT
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i doubt they could enact a ban as easily as last time. it the supreme court rules like it seems they will, and finally says the second amendment gives you the right to own a gun, that will make a big difference. the previous rulings ( 2) im aware of, said the second amendment applies to modern military style weapons suitible for defense of self and home and country, they just never actually said the individual has the right. any ban would be immediately challanged, washing dc, has basically had to kiss their handgun ban bye bye, i bet after their ruling a lot of gun bans will be taken to court on constitutional grounds .......... but buying extra stuff is always a good plan as well, i have been acquiring mags and ammo myself. never underestimate the stupidity or incompitence of the government or trust they will do the right thing all on their own, just like a little kid, gotta watch them every second.
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Posted: 6/1/2008 9:55:05 AM EDT
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BravoCompany's 10-packs of mags are made by D&H. I'm not 100% sure, but I think D&H are USGI. I do know for a fact though that D&H makes very good mags. BravoCompany's mags are D&H mags stamped with BravoCompany text on the floorplate. 10 of my aluminum mags are BravoCo's D&H grey teflon. Their quality and functionality are as excellent as any of my other D&H mags. Buy with confidence. Then put MagPul's wonderful followers in them and you'll be ready to rock and roll. These days I buy my mags almost exclusively from 44mag.com and bravocompany.com. They both offer great prices and shipping rates. Last night I bought two of those transparent polymer mags made by Lancer to check them out. If they're GTG, I'll be buying some more. I'll let my brother borrow one for about a week to see if he'd like to buy some too. It helps that my dad and my brother are gun nuts and AR15 fans too. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 10:02:03 AM EDT
[#25]
A NRA membership.
Enough strength to vote for the lesser of two evils even if you don't really like it. Testicle enhancer to fight for our right to own guns and never ever give them up no matter what. That's all. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 10:18:28 AM EDT
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A new ban may include all semi-automatic weapons including pistols and shotguns.
Get em now. IF you want it get it now. Prices are rising, inventory is getting low on both ammo and guns. The belief is the Supreme Court will uphold the 2nd amendment but will also allow the gubmerment to put restrictions on types of arms. Remember, You only need a single shot to hunt with. The time is now, don't wait. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 10:59:20 AM EDT
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Can you say paranoid propaganda? What makes you think any BAN will be passed? It's a dealers heaven at the moment, thanks to moronic buyers that buy everything insight in the fear that it will be banned. Ammunition is going up because people buy up every single bullet they can get their hands on, in the fear that there will be an ammo drought - (As if that will ever happen) You people buying thousands upon thousands of rounds is what makes the prices go up, it's the insane moronic demand at all times that makes it go up! Because they know if they raise the price, you morons will still buy it all up in the fear that it won't be available anymore. Sometimes I wonder if you folks just make up insane reasons to arm yourself to the teeth. If you're so terrified of the government taking away your rights to purchase firearms, go out and do something about it - Instead of spreading idiotic notions of something that "may" or "may not" happen, and buying up everything in-sight out of fear. I'll be sure to post again on the first of December - And I'm willing to bet you $1,000 cash that no ban will be passed. Start writing that check out. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 11:22:21 AM EDT
[#28]
Exactly. The lowers themselves weren't grandfathered as pre-ban "assault weapons", only complete rifles were. If a new AW ban identical to the last one is implemented again, all the stripped lowers you buy now will be the same as all the lowers you buy AFTER the ban -- post-bans! The anti-gunners learned a valuable lesson from the last AW ban -- that banning cosmetic features won't stop production of these rifles -- and I feel that another ban will prohibit the transfer of "assault weapons" (like California's current law.) You could own them, but never transfer them. That essentially makes them worthless from a financial standpoint, as there would be no reselling. Another thing to consider is that even if a new ban were identical to the old one, the market has been literally flooded with no-ban items since the expiration of the '94 ban, so we'll not see price increases like we did after the last one. The market is too saturated. The ONLY thing that might increase much in value would be the newer rifles like the AUG clones, the Sig-556, etc. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 11:30:33 AM EDT
[#29]
Ding Ding I don't think there will be an all out ban. They'll take measures to screw you over in other ways. Taxes, bans on importing ammuntion, magazines, parts kits, etc. Whatever they do probably wouldn't come all that early. They'll work on their universal health care to make damn sure to please the mooching masses. Once they have their good grace they could do some less popular things. The only thing I see a full out ban on would be .50 cals. Maybe some of the extra "evil" things like AKs or the "cop killer" 5.7 round. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 11:33:32 AM EDT
[#30]
Again, I agree. If the court rules the way it looks like they may, that will definately slow the down. May not stop them, may make them find other ways to get things done, but it will at least delay their actions. Then again, this is all asuming McCain loses, which sure isn't set in stone yet. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 11:34:46 AM EDT
[#31]
44mag Look at the banners above, you're looking for the blue one that says "44mag" they have good deals. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 11:53:58 AM EDT
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+ a bajillion There will not be a ban any time soon, there are much bigger fish to fry at the moment. 1. The economy 2. The war 3. Oil/Gas prices 4. Health care just to name a few |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 12:03:02 PM EDT
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If people belive that w/Obama as president and a Democratic controlled house and senate, that they will not advance their agenda to outlaw as many types of guns they can has their heads buried in the sand.
They will want to retain power. Obama has been very clear on this. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 12:09:17 PM EDT
[#34]
Im stocking up on Lowers, Mags, and Ammo. Dont really know if there will be a Ban but im going to be prepared.
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Posted: 6/1/2008 12:16:22 PM EDT
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You go ahead and believe whatever you want, though I think that tinfoil mixed with the Oklahoma sun is having an effect on your ability to think clearly. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 12:24:34 PM EDT
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Jackelope, Do you make your own gun powder? I would'nt feel so self-assured otherwise. Pretty easy to ban as a terrorist material I would think. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 1:37:52 PM EDT
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I'm not going out of my way to stock-up on items. What I need I'll purchase, sure it's good to have a nice supply of ammo - But I'm not going to extend out of my norm and purchase massive quantities of ammo, magazine or anything for that matter. And for those that say "Buy it while it's cheap" - That's what makes prices go up! Everything grabbing it up at market price like there's no tomorrow in massive quantities. Two years ago, a case of 500 Lake City XM193 rounds was $75, now going rate is $200+ and you folks are still buying it up like no tomorrow. So what do you think their next move is going to be? Lower-prices? Hell no, because they know whatever price they make it, the paranoid moronic buy-it-all-up buyers will still buy it. Ammunition is like gasoline for some of you folks, apparently you can't get around if you don't spend every penny you have. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 6:14:05 PM EDT
[#38]
Knowledge & skills, how to make, fix and grow stuff.
Cash. Medical supplies. Ok, guns & ammo... |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 8:15:27 PM EDT
[#39]
High capacity magazines (plenty of 30rnd Pmags). Plenty of .223 ammo and plenty of 9mm and .45ACP ammo. At least 2 or 3 AR15 lower receivers or if possible at least 2 or 3 complete AR15 rifles with close combat optics (Aimpoint's, Eotech's, and ACOG's).
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Posted: 6/1/2008 8:50:48 PM EDT
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EXACTLY, we are almost assuredly going to have that clown as the next president and most likely for the next 8 years. That along with a strongly held democratic house and senate means one thing. A spate of gun control measures like you have never seen. It may take a year or two after they take office but be sure it is coming. There is nothing to stop them, this is their chance to get it done. First to go will be the gun show as we know it today (only FFL dealers will be able to display and sell), and assault weapons. Play ostrich all you want, its coming. TR |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 5:19:15 AM EDT
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Without reading anyone's advice here and also not having a crystal ball for their future intentions, I will say buy as much ammo and reloading components as you can afford. The raw materials are going through the roof and price increases of 10% every month or so have been getting routine. There is also the potential for lead restrictions on the environmental side of things. Hopefully Heller will be decisive and put an end to some worries for a while. The reasonable part is what will cause trouble in the future. What is reasonable to you and me may not be reasonable to others. The next case about some gun law being constitutional may have a very different Supreme Court looking at it. That is where I see the greatest danger in a few years. Act now, put McCain in! Now I will read others' advice here on your subject.
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Posted: 6/2/2008 6:07:33 AM EDT
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what do you guys think about collapsible stocks would they be part of a ban? might wanna have a few ctr's or lmt's laying around.
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Posted: 6/2/2008 8:25:55 AM EDT
[#43]
That is largely because of people like you running off at the mouth scaring the hell out of people. |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 9:17:30 AM EDT
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And for those that say "Buy it while it's cheap" - That's what makes prices go up! Everything grabbing it up at market price like there's no tomorrow in massive quantities. Not true. Prices are going up due to competing economies and their countries needs for raw material...copper, brass, etc. (as relates to ammo). Additionally, relating to ammo, are needs of the military, which is also leading to less surplus for civilians. Again referring to speculation, that's part of it, too. However, people are not "grabbing-up" gasoline, and that's not the cause of increased oil costs. It is a combination of factors, with market speculation on the top-ten list. Just my .02 ETA: Spelling |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 11:42:43 AM EDT
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MY opinion:
1. .50 Cal 2. Foreign (AK/Fal) type weapons 3. Ammo that comes from predominantly foreign sources |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 4:40:47 PM EDT
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no i haven't figured that one out yet! but i do have over 50 LBS of powder on hand for my rifles and handgun loads i think i realy got something started here,thanx for all the response it seems like alot of people are thinking the way i do and stocking up just in case of whatever oh yeah,i checked 44mag and there sold out of almost everything ETA:never mind that last line,it looks like 44mag restocks fast
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Posted: 6/2/2008 5:22:55 PM EDT
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And IF there is a ban...or a turn them in thing.
How many of you will use all those rifles and ammo you are buying now to fight for your freedom? I'm betting most will just turn in all the stuff you are stocking up on. But I sure hope I loose that bet. |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 5:29:44 PM EDT
[#48]
ammo and beer
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Posted: 6/2/2008 5:40:46 PM EDT
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Each payday I buy 3 to 5 high cap mags for one of my firearms, with the goal of at least 50 mags per pistol and 100 mags for the the ar's by November. Planning on 2 to 3 lowers, and shit load of ammo and reloading components.
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Posted: 6/2/2008 5:47:04 PM EDT
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IF AN ALL OUT BAN OCCURS...I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO IS GIVE THE RIFLES AWAY..RATHER THAN TURN THEM IN. IT WOULD GIVE THE GOVERNMENT PAUSE TO HAVE MILLIONS OF AR'S TURN UP ON THE 'STREET" OVERNIGHT...WITH NO WAY TO GET THEM BACK. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT SOME MAY EVEN END UP IN CRIMINAL HANDS.....WHAT A PITY THAT WOULD BE!!!!! IF A MOVEMENT WERE TO ARISE THAT WOULD SUGGEST THIS...PERHAPS A BAN COULD BE AVOIDED.
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