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Posted: 12/29/2006 1:03:37 PM EDT
I just bought my first AR last week.  I bought a Bushmaster w/20" barrel and it has the removable carry handle.  I am wondering what to put on my AR for optics for coyote hunting.
I usually shoot at them between 75 and 400 yards away.
Any ideas?
Link Posted: 12/29/2006 1:26:15 PM EDT
[#1]
On my coyote hunting gun (16" RRA) I have a leupold rifleman 4-12. My main is reason is because I wanted plenty of magnification for longer shots and four power gives me as low as i need up close. One reason I picked the rifleman instead of a higher end model was because there is no adjustable objective on the 4-12 rifleman as compared to the others.

Adjustable objective is fine when you have time to sit and play with it, but when you need to take a shot fairly quickly or have a coyote looking right at you, its a burden. Another thing you'll want to consider is the type of mount you use. I use the Armalite
1 piece mount and love it. Looks like the scope is almost made into the gun and its heavy duty. Costs around $100, but you be glad you bought instead of extra-high rings.

Good Luck
Link Posted: 12/29/2006 3:33:38 PM EDT
[#2]
On my 24" Varmiter BM I use a matte blk. Nikon ProStaff in plain old 3X9X40. It is nice and clear, picks up well in low light and won't break the bank. For hunting the tacticool stuff is way too much overkill. I have several of the Nikons and they have performed very well. If you decide to use the flip open style of scope caps turn them so they open down. I went a different route with my mounting of the scope, I used YHM 1/2" risers and med. rings as I don't plan to ever remove the scope as it is a dedicated AR. I would also suggest the G-27 pistol grip for hunting too. It really helps with control. my BM has taken several coyotes and foxes plus a couple of bobcats this season.  
Link Posted: 12/29/2006 4:26:04 PM EDT
[#3]
Thanks for the replies.  I don't want to take my front iron sight off.  After I remove the carrying handle, what do I need to make it so I don't see my front iron sight thru my scope?
Any links for products would be very helpful.
Link Posted: 12/29/2006 4:28:48 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Thanks for the replies.  I don't want to take my front iron sight off.  After I remove the carrying handle, what do I need to make it so I don't see my front iron sight thru my scope?
Any links for products would be very helpful.


FSB is no problem with a scope over 3 or 4x.
Link Posted: 12/29/2006 4:52:44 PM EDT
[#5]
Right now I'm using an Aimpoint M2, but I have a Meopta 1-4x that I think will be the cats ass for shooting coyotes.  1 or 2 power for just sitting there waiting for them to suprise you and 4x for when you spot them a ways out.

Link Posted: 12/29/2006 8:23:33 PM EDT
[#6]
My gun is not set up for coyotes, but I have shot a fair amount of them with it. I use my set up for long range shots on pigs and/or deer mostly. It is a Leupold VX-III 6.5-20X40 that I sent in to Leupold to have them install the Mk4 M1 turrets on for quick adjustments in the field. This is very useful for long distance shots. I find the ammo suitable for the job and then go to the range and shoot at 100, 200, and 300, then mark what tick it is on for the different distances. The only regret I have is not having an illuminated reticle for low light situations, but that is why I also have an Eotech. Here is a pic, sorry it is so shitty, I had to use my phone.

Link Posted: 12/29/2006 9:01:20 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Thanks for the replies.  I don't want to take my front iron sight off.  After I remove the carrying handle, what do I need to make it so I don't see my front iron sight thru my scope?
Any links for products would be very helpful.


I also have a 4x12x40mm Rifleman Leupold scope too. It is a very good scope for the money. I use a LaRue Tactical QD - 101 five eighths QD riser for the scope, and to switch off to my Aimpoint CompM3 which is on a LaRue Tactical LT-129 QD cantilever mount on either of my 2 Bushmasters. Both of those products are top quality and I think you would really like the set-up, I know that I have.If your interested just go to www.laruetactical.com and look around. Or click the link above that says LaRue.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 4:08:35 AM EDT
[#8]
I have used my AR almost exclusively this year on coyotes. I have been using a Leupold 4.5x14. it has been too much in some cases as I have had several coyotes come into as close as 25 feet in thick cover. thinking about mabey going to a 2.5x8 or similar for next year.
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Link Posted: 12/31/2006 8:29:01 AM EDT
[#9]
Compare them side by side and you will notice that Nikon has better optics in their mid range Buckmaster class of scopes than comparable Leupold Rifleman scopes.

I like the Nikon Buckmaster on field gun as the turrets are low profile but still feature  1/4 MOA finger adjustments marked in 1 MOA increments under the caps.

Nikon also offers a BDC reticle that works well for larger Coyote sized targets when you don't have time to make any sight adjustments.  

I use a 4.5-14 Nikon Buckmaster with a BDC reticle on a 16" bull barrel carbine. It is a nice compromise between precision (will cut 3/4 to 1 MOA groups with fur friendly FMJ bullets all day long) and portability as it is significantly shorter and lighter than a 20" AR varmint rifle.  The 4-14X Nikon also has a side focus/parrallax adjustment knob.  It is quicker to use than a scope with the parrallax adjustment on the objective as you can see and adjust it without changing your shooting position.

But...if I am in a situation where I have to carry it a lot more than I have to shoot it, I prefer to take a pencil barrelled SP-1 with a 4 X scope.

I don't agree with the argument that a non adjustable objective scope is preferable to an adjustable objectivescope in scopes of the same power.   A non adjustable scope will have the parrallax adjustment defaulted to 100 yards.  However with an adjustable objective scope if you don't think you will have time to mess with the adjustment, you have the option of just leaving it at 100 yards which will leave you no worse off than you are with a non adjustable objective scope.  Plus you also have the option of presetting it for the anticipated engagement range and, if you have time, setting it for the actual range.

So worst case, you are never worse off than you are with a non adjustable scope and if the situation presents itself, you can fully utilize the precision of high magnification without parrallax issues.  In my opinion, non adjustable variables are intended for deer and larger sized targets and are less than ideal for predator and varmint hunting.   Also in my opinon, a non-adjustable objective scope capable of more than 9X creates many more problems than it solves so it you really don't want an AO, stick with 3 to 9x or less for magnification.  
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