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Posted: 4/18/2016 11:18:38 AM EDT
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My Aero Precision is super slick. I have a Jp tuned extra power spring and spikes st-t2 buffer in it which is a night and day difference compared to standard mil spec spring and buffer
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Posted: 4/18/2016 11:28:55 AM EDT
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I tried looking on their site to see some contruction and component descriptions, but I found the site a little convoluted for details...just my take. So...can you tell from your observation if the BCG had a slick finish or treatment...like NiB, nitride, etc.? Just curious because I can drop a Fail Zero NiB BCG into any of my AR15's and feel a notable reduction in friction. I'm no shill for FZ or NiB components in general, but I notice some improvement in "feel" when using trigger or BCG components that are NiB. Might just be a placebo effect.
The other element of smoothness you noted might just be very precise manufacturing tolerances and process. I have a pair of Armalite AR10's that hand cycled their actions as slick as snot right out of the box...and some other brands/models do the same just because someone is paying attention to detail. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 12:19:30 PM EDT
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Nickel Boron and frog lube
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Posted: 4/18/2016 2:06:36 PM EDT
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Nickel Boron and frog lube The BCG appears to be nitrided. I sell nitrided BCGs in my shop. I haven't used any of them that felt as slick in the gun as the Warsport does. I'm sure whatever lube they use helps. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 3:42:56 PM EDT
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Cerakote helps .... All my cerakoted guns have a smoother action than my non cerakoted guns
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Posted: 4/18/2016 3:47:41 PM EDT
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The BCG appears to be nitrided. I sell nitrided BCGs in my shop. I haven't used any of them that felt as slick in the gun as the Warsport does. I'm sure whatever lube they use helps. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nickel Boron and frog lube The BCG appears to be nitrided. I sell nitrided BCGs in my shop. I haven't used any of them that felt as slick in the gun as the Warsport does. I'm sure whatever lube they use helps. How is the machined finish on the ones you sell vs. Warsports? My JP nitride bolt feels like it's on ball bearings. The AIM Nitride bolt carrier in my in laws AR isn't nearly as smooth. When you compare the machined finishes the AIM carrier has tool marks where as the JP has a highly polished gloss black finish. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 3:48:33 PM EDT
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You'd be surprised how little polishing can make such a big difference....
Think about all the places that can drag on a brand new AR. Heck, you can even feel it on a brand new collapsible buffer tube... a little burnishing with 0000 steelwool will smooth that right up. Think of your car... it is smooth... but after a fresh coat of polish it is even smoother. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 3:48:52 PM EDT
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How is the machined finish on the ones you sell vs. Warsports? My JP nitride bolt feels like it's on ball bearings. The AIM Nitride bolt carrier in my in laws AR isn't nearly as smooth. When you compare the machined finishes the AIM carrier has tool marks where as the JP has a highly polished gloss black finish. I don't have them side by side to compare. The nitride BCGs I have sold were AIM, though. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 3:50:05 PM EDT
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Lightly lube the buffer tube and spring. It will be slick and buttery in any gun.
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Posted: 4/18/2016 4:01:14 PM EDT
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Everything is hand lapped
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Posted: 4/18/2016 4:03:49 PM EDT
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The bungee cords.
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Posted: 4/18/2016 4:12:37 PM EDT
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It's the extra dizzle they sprinkle on before building it.
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Posted: 4/18/2016 4:13:49 PM EDT
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I have a CMMG that I could chamber a round 2" from your ear and not wake you it's so smooth....for about 1/4 of the price of a Warsport.
I don't know what it is and like you I've wondered. I have a MUCH more expensive AR built with all top end parts and while it too is smooth, it can't touch the CMMG. My guess is LOOSE tolerances 
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Posted: 4/18/2016 5:18:00 PM EDT
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Lightly lube the buffer tube and spring. It will be slick and buttery in any gun. Do you think the world is ready for my patent-pending buffer lube? |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 5:22:24 PM EDT
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Costa jizzle
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Posted: 4/18/2016 5:35:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Costa jizzle |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 6:08:52 PM EDT
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It's the extra dizzle they sprinkle on before building it. So much dizzle drizzle. You can make a PSA $499 rifle kit slick as all get out with lapping compound, motor oil, some axle grease and 30 minutes of your time. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 7:18:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Costa jizzle |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 7:19:06 PM EDT
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I have handled the guns as a gun shop in the D/FW area. When you pull back the charging handle you feel the slickest, most buttery action. What makes it so slick? The dealer told me it was because everything was hand fit. Upon inspection of the bolt I see no major evidence of handfitting, at least not like you see in the "Hellbender Accurize an AR" thread. You can definitely see a lot of lube, but is there anything else to it? Something like dry lube (Cerakote) inside the upper and receiver extension? To get the thread back on a serious note, yes, there are multiple things that can be done. Slapping lube all over the inside of your receiver extension is not going to get you where you want to be. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 8:24:47 PM EDT
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Curious if it has a standard cam pin or some of the newer rounded styles some companies are making or rollers? The rounded or roller cam pin will slick the feel of an action up more than anything else.
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Posted: 4/18/2016 9:36:12 PM EDT
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The JP rifles I've seen and felt have actions so smooth it's almost mind bending if you go from a Milspec to one.
It's like moving a warm, lubed trombone slide. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 10:27:34 PM EDT
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The JP rifles I've seen and felt have actions so smooth it's almost mind bending if you go from a Milspec to one. It's like moving a warm, lubed trombone slide. telling ya guys a JP spring in the shit.. not the silent capture one just a regular tuned spring |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 10:42:51 PM EDT
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I notice the most grit in cycling my rifles tends to come from the left side of the CH rubbing against the inside of the upper when I rack it. Grease in that spot helps a lot.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 11:25:18 AM EDT
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It's the extra dizzle they sprinkle on before building it. It's the proprietary money-impregnated ward0g dizzle parts that make it so Anar3xic. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 11:59:13 AM EDT
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Crisco
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Posted: 4/19/2016 12:23:58 PM EDT
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Crisco Money. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 12:53:19 PM EDT
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WAAAARRRRR DDIIZZZZLLLEEEEEEEEE
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Posted: 4/19/2016 2:01:29 PM EDT
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WAAAARRRRR DDIIZZZZLLLEEEEEEEEE Anor3xic Ur3thra Wardog Supreme. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 2:22:31 PM EDT
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They take 100 dollar bills used to purchase thier firearms and use the polishing power of our currency make the inside of the upper smoother than a fresh jar of skippy......
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Posted: 4/19/2016 2:42:16 PM EDT
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Crisco Ludus |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 3:20:58 PM EDT
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Hey guys, this is a technical forum. Please keep the "General Discussion" type comments out of this thread. I don't want the thread locked.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 3:24:28 PM EDT
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Everything is hand lapped I didn't see any evidence of hand lapping when inspecting the internals. I looked on the charging handle, bolt carrier, bolt lugs, etc. None of those areas showed any finish having been removed. I am sure they didn't re-nitride the BCG after lapping. In fact, the bolt didn't really move smoothly inside of the BCG. It did have a generous amount of lube. It was a black (fouled?) grease that got all over my hands when handling the BCG. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 3:44:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't see any evidence of hand lapping when inspecting the internals. I looked on the charging handle, bolt carrier, bolt lugs, etc. None of those areas showed any finish having been removed. I am sure they didn't re-nitride the BCG after lapping. In fact, the bolt didn't really move smoothly inside of the BCG. It did have a generous amount of lube. It was a black (fouled?) grease that got all over my hands when handling the BCG. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Everything is hand lapped I didn't see any evidence of hand lapping when inspecting the internals. I looked on the charging handle, bolt carrier, bolt lugs, etc. None of those areas showed any finish having been removed. I am sure they didn't re-nitride the BCG after lapping. In fact, the bolt didn't really move smoothly inside of the BCG. It did have a generous amount of lube. It was a black (fouled?) grease that got all over my hands when handling the BCG. Just saying what my rep told us. you can see evidence in the upper receivers of the 2 we have but not really on anything else |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 3:48:32 PM EDT
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If the action consists of a typical buffer and spring, it's just lube. More than likely, a thick grease.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 5:46:44 PM EDT
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I didn't see any evidence of hand lapping when inspecting the internals. I looked on the charging handle, bolt carrier, bolt lugs, etc. None of those areas showed any finish having been removed. I am sure they didn't re-nitride the BCG after lapping. In fact, the bolt didn't really move smoothly inside of the BCG. It did have a generous amount of lube. It was a black (fouled?) grease that got all over my hands when handling the BCG. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everything is hand lapped I didn't see any evidence of hand lapping when inspecting the internals. I looked on the charging handle, bolt carrier, bolt lugs, etc. None of those areas showed any finish having been removed. I am sure they didn't re-nitride the BCG after lapping. In fact, the bolt didn't really move smoothly inside of the BCG. It did have a generous amount of lube. It was a black (fouled?) grease that got all over my hands when handling the BCG. Have you cycled a JP? |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 6:14:45 PM EDT
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Hey guys, this is a technical forum. Please keep the "General Discussion" type comments out of this thread. I don't want the thread locked. I would then recommend calling the fine folks at Warsport and asking them why their action is so buttery. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 6:37:46 PM EDT
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Is buttery good?
After the whole FireClean fiasco, maybe they use real butter? Anybody do a spectral analysis? |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 6:49:03 PM EDT
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Have you cycled a JP? No, I have not. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 7:28:19 PM EDT
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That's the SCS at work...
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Posted: 4/19/2016 8:48:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is buttery good? After the whole FireClean fiasco, maybe they use real butter? Anybody do a spectral analysis? Given the cost of their uppers, it's probably Astroglide...  |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 10:09:55 PM EDT
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No, I have not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you cycled a JP? No, I have not. Everything is smooth, and/or polished, then covered on oil. That is how it happens. |
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