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Posted: 9/24/2005 5:26:10 PM EDT
Well I had decided on an XM15 for my new rifle but I can get a NIB LE6920 for $1000 from a friend.

Are there any benefits of having the Colt over the Bushmaster?

What are they?

I tried to search but didnt come up with anything, so dont lash me too hard.:)
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:27:37 PM EDT
This is going to be good...
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:43:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:
This is going to be good...



Get your kevlar and popcorn...
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:48:04 PM EDT
It's got a Prancing Colt.

Max
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:50:08 PM EDT
A higher price tag. Though that does mean higher resale as well.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:54:24 PM EDT
The bushy is a mere carbine
The Colt is a natural extention of your penis.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:57:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/24/2005 6:01:59 PM EDT by olds442tyguy]

Originally Posted By luckypunk:
The bushy is a mere carbine
The Colt is a natural extention of your penis.





Seriously, I'd get the Colt for that price. I'm no kool aid drinker, but I wouldn't pass that up.

ETA: Magnetic particle inspected bolt, M16 carrier (if it's a newer version), and the labels make it worth more. Some people go crazy over having a rifle that says Law Enforcement Only on it.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:57:46 PM EDT
Black anodizing instead of purple?
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:01:50 PM EDT
$1000 NIB..grab it quick. Otherwise, what you're giving up is the prestige and 3000 rounds of ammo for the price difference.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:08:31 PM EDT
Get the Colt................It needs a Pony or its a phoney
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:39:58 PM EDT
1. 1:7" twist barrel. You can use 77gr. bullets if you want
2. MP tested bolt and barrel
3. M16 carrier on the more recent carbines
4. the knowledge that your rifle was made on the same assembly line, with most of the same parts and (hopefully) to the same specs by the people who make tens of thousands of weapons for the US government.

Your choice as to whether or not those are worth getting the Colt for.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:40:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/24/2005 6:43:15 PM EDT by YELLOWV]
Oh not this again. Seriously though I am usually in the buy the Bushy camp but for $1000 you would be stupid to pass on a 6920. Hell I paid $950 for my Bushy right after the "sunset". The Colt has a 1/7" twist bbl opposed to Bushies 1/9. Colt has M4 feedramps. Bushy does not. All of Colts bbls and bolts are MP tested. Bushy only spot checks. Colt has M4 handguars Bushy does not. Bushy has a 6 position non mil spec stock. Colt has a 4 position mil spec stock. Those are the differences. Make your decision.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:47:39 PM EDT
kaxter
Member
Joined :: April 2003
Post Number :: 73

USA




You've been here since 03, and you haven't seen this question a million times?


Get whatever makes you happy. $1000 for a 6920 and no tax is a good price.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:52:06 PM EDT
No one's mentioned yet that the Colt has non-spec size fire control pins. Makes in more difficult to find replacements in the case of breakage or desire to add match trigger . Other than that, the Colt has several advantages to the Bushmaster (mp testing, 1:7 twist, M4 feedramps) If it was me, I'd buy the Colt for $1k, but any more than that, and you're better off with the Bushie and spending the surplus funds on mags and ammo.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:54:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stickman:
kaxter
Member
Joined :: April 2003
Post Number :: 73

USA




You've been here since 03, and you haven't seen this question a million times?


Get whatever makes you happy. $1000 for a 6920 and no tax is a good price.



+1
They are both high quality rifles.
I would jump on the 6920 at that price, though.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 7:01:20 PM EDT
Go for the Colt
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 7:02:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stickman:
kaxter
Member
Joined :: April 2003
Post Number :: 73

USA




You've been here since 03, and you haven't seen this question a million times?





+1

It wouldn't matter if he just registered today.

Does anyone read the posts here, do any other research and come up the the proper conclusion on their own? I rarely ask questions and when I do, and it's usually in someone else's topic.

Oh well, I guess some people prefer to learn in other ways.

Scott
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 7:11:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 7:25:53 PM EDT
I wish there was a ban-button for every moron that asks this question, because the only purpose is to get a rise out of people. That being said. Bushmaster!
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 7:40:59 PM EDT
They used Colts in the movie Heat
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 7:46:58 PM EDT
Properly built M4 marked upper receiver and F front sight base, parkerization under the front sight base, etc.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 7:49:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tweak:
rear aperture in the center?

carrier keys that are staked?

ability to be shot right out of the box?

i13.photobucket.com/albums/a264/artweaker/Troubleshooting/colt-pony.jpg



Hey my Bushy has all of those things right out of the box
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 8:25:13 PM EDT
Pride of ownership.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 8:57:42 PM EDT
you can buy a toyota or a kia. which one will hold its value?
same with colt vs bushmaster. dont get me wrong i own both rifles.
if push came to shove i'd sell the bushmaster first before i'd part with the colt.
lee
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 9:59:03 PM EDT
What the Colt has that the Bushy doesn't

Correct Feedramps
MP and Shot Peened Bolt
Correct forged buffer tube
Park under the FSB
Correct hight sights


What the Bushy has that the Colt doesn't

Mil-spec hammer and trigger pins
RDIAS ready
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 10:04:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tweak:
rear aperture in the center?

carrier keys that are staked?

ability to be shot right out of the box?

i13.photobucket.com/albums/a264/artweaker/Troubleshooting/colt-pony.jpg




My Bushy was exactly how you described above..........infact all three of them are that way.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 10:05:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 3rdpig:
Black anodizing instead of purple?




None of mine are purple.....all black.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 10:37:46 PM EDT
If you really can't decide, think of it this way:

Most if not all the "pros" of the Colts (MP tested bolt, feed ramp, front sight, M16 carrier, etc) are all found on the upper.

While the shortcomings of colts are all on the lower (none standard trigger/hammer pins).

So how do one get the best of both worlds? Simple.

By a Complete Colt Upper and put it on a Bushy(or other preferred brand) lower.

Voila. You got yourself the best of everything.

Don't forget to use a Colt/other milspec stocks if you want a retractable stock.

Moral of the story? Don't buy a complete rifle. Built one.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 10:43:17 PM EDT
You can get a 1:7 twist on the a Bushmaster, just call them and ask for it.

Bushmaster has the correct fire control pins (as has already been stated) and DIAS ready for when NFA laws are reversed once we a have a pro-gun friendly supreme court.

Bushmaster as a company is friendly and pro-RTKBA. Colt as a company suck ass and doesn't give a damn about us.

The MP tested bolt/carrier stuff... well, I guess if that's important to you...
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 10:45:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Darkest2000:
If you really can't decide, think of it this way:

Most if not all the "pros" of the Colts (MP tested bolt, feed ramp, front sight, M16 carrier, etc) are all found on the upper.

While the shortcomings of colts are all on the lower (none standard trigger/hammer pins).

So how do one get the best of both worlds? Simple.

By a Complete Colt Upper and put it on a Bushy(or other preferred brand) lower.

Voila. You got yourself the best of everything.

Don't forget to use a Colt/other milspec stocks if you want a retractable stock.

Moral of the story? Don't buy a complete rifle. Built one.



Colt 6520 upper plus Armalite lower = 3500 trouble free rounds.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 11:14:35 PM EDT
Man, thanks a lot i just spit my drink out on the damn keyboard. That was so goddamn funny I cant even think straight now.



Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
They used Colts in the movie Heat

Link Posted: 9/24/2005 11:17:30 PM EDT
What exactly does "correct fire control pins" (in regards to what Colt has) and "DIAS ready" mean? I've just never heard this before, please enlighten me (and possibly others). Thanks,

- rem


Originally Posted By Hank_Rearden1:
You can get a 1:7 twist on the a Bushmaster, just call them and ask for it.

Bushmaster has the correct fire control pins (as has already been stated) and DIAS ready for when NFA laws are reversed once we a have a pro-gun friendly supreme court. hmaster
The MP tested bolt/carrier stuff... well, I guess if that's important to you...

Link Posted: 9/25/2005 12:42:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By remedy:
What exactly does "correct fire control pins" (in regards to what Colt has) and "DIAS ready" mean? I've just never heard this before, please enlighten me (and possibly others). Thanks,

- rem



Colt uses oversized pins. (0.016" wider diameter).

DIAS or whatever means that the receiver is cut to take a lightning link(or something similar) which makes a semi auto rifle shoot fully automatically.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 2:16:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Darkest2000:
If you really can't decide, think of it this way:

Most if not all the "pros" of the Colts (MP tested bolt, feed ramp, front sight, M16 carrier, etc) are all found on the upper.

While the shortcomings of colts are all on the lower (none standard trigger/hammer pins).

So how do one get the best of both worlds? Simple.

By a Complete Colt Upper and put it on a Bushy(or other preferred brand) lower.

Voila. You got yourself the best of everything.

Don't forget to use a Colt/other milspec stocks if you want a retractable stock.

Moral of the story? Don't buy a complete rifle. Built one.




This is the best way to do it.

Mine is a Stag lower and CMT upper, with Colt M4A1 barrel and Colt M16 BCG.

I also have a 6920.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 4:45:36 AM EDT
I thought a non-sear-blocked lower also allowed for a lightning link? I've seen video of LL used on Colt lowers (unless i'm seriously mistaken here).


Originally Posted By Darkest2000:

Colt uses oversized pins. (0.016" wider diameter).

DIAS or whatever means that the receiver is cut to take a lightning link(or something similar) which makes a semi auto rifle shoot fully automatically.

Link Posted: 9/25/2005 6:49:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/26/2005 12:58:33 PM EDT by Boom_Stick]

Originally Posted By Tweak:
rear aperture in the center?



Now believe it or not, thats very important to me. The other things are:

M4 stamped receiver
1:7 twist
M4 feed ramps
"F" marked front sight base (correct height for flattop)
staked receiver extension nut
black port cover spring (not silver)
evenly staked pins (front sight base)
side sling adapter
barrel is parked BEFORE the FSB is installed
"H" marked buffer
"T" marked rail
Double shielded handguards
Proper finish on barrel and receivers


There's probably a few details I'm missing, but it's the attention to those details that I'll pay a premium price for. Plus the top instructors (ie: Pat Rogers) say the Colts are more reliable out of the box than other brands.

Colt all the way baby!
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 7:22:17 AM EDT
Off the top of my head, Colt would have a better resell value. There are so many Bushmasters on the market that they wouldn't give you as much money as a true Colt rifle.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 7:29:42 AM EDT
+1 Colt What the Colt has that the Bushy doesn't.
Correct Feedramps
MP and Shot Peened Bolt
Correct forged buffer tube
Park under the FSB
Correct hight sights
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 9:03:46 AM EDT
Either way your getting a well built weapon. Buy whatever makes you happier.

The Colt comes with more features, and if you find they mean something to you, by all means get the Colt. The two are sure to be close in performance

I dont think the Colt is worth paying a lot more for, so if the Bushy price point is much lower, get Bushy and use the left over money for ammo and mags

Link Posted: 9/25/2005 1:00:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:

Originally Posted By Tweak:
rear aperture in the center?



Now believe it or not, thats very important to me. The other things are:

M4 stamped receiver
1:7 twist
M4 feed ramps
"F" marked front sight base (correct height for flattop)
staked receiver extension nut
black port cover spring (not silver)
evenly staked pins (front sight base)
side sling adapter
barrel is parked BEFORE the FSB is installed
"H" marked buffer
"T" marked rail
Double shielded handguards
Proper finish on barrel and receivers


There's probably a few details I'm missing, but it's the attention to those details that I'll pay a premium price for. Plus the top instructors say the Colts are more reliable out of the box than other brands.

Colt all the way baby!



Most colts have a silver ej. port cover spring.

Some the things you listed are redundant. RED

Both the Bushy and Colt have the same finish.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 6:04:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/25/2005 6:07:24 PM EDT by Tweak]
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 6:13:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:

Originally Posted By Tweak:
rear aperture in the center?



Now believe it or not, thats very important to me. The other things are:

M4 stamped receiver
1:7 twist
M4 feed ramps
"F" marked front sight base (correct height for flattop)
staked receiver extension nut
black port cover spring (not silver)
evenly staked pins (front sight base)
side sling adapter
barrel is parked BEFORE the FSB is installed
"H" marked buffer
"T" marked rail
Double shielded handguards
Proper finish on barrel and receivers


There's probably a few details I'm missing, but it's the attention to those details that I'll pay a premium price for. Plus the top instructors say the Colts are more reliable out of the box than other brands.

Colt all the way baby!



sheep talk

Link Posted: 9/25/2005 6:47:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By luckypunk:
The bushy is a mere carbine
The Colt is a natural extention of your penis.



This could be a new sig line....
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 7:02:34 PM EDT
True Quality Control
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 8:44:29 PM EDT
Can I ask how does a LMT compair to a LE6920? Please don''t Flame me for trying to learn more about LMT and Colt.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 8:54:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/25/2005 8:54:28 PM EDT by Timanator]

Originally Posted By WILDBILL756:
Can I ask how does a LMT compair to a LE6920? Please don''t Flame me for trying to learn more about LMT and Colt.



Other than resale value, those 2 are very similar in features and material.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 10:46:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/26/2005 12:54:42 PM EDT by Boom_Stick]

Originally Posted By AROKIE:

Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:

Originally Posted By Tweak:
rear aperture in the center?



Now believe it or not, thats very important to me. The other things are:

M4 stamped receiver
1:7 twist
M4 feed ramps
"F" marked front sight base (correct height for flattop)
staked receiver extension nut
black port cover spring (not silver)
evenly staked pins (front sight base)
side sling adapter
barrel is parked BEFORE the FSB is installed
"H" marked buffer
"T" marked rail
Double shielded handguards
Proper finish on barrel and receivers


There's probably a few details I'm missing, but it's the attention to those details that I'll pay a premium price for. Plus the top instructors say the Colts are more reliable out of the box than other brands.

Colt all the way baby!



sheep talk



Damn, you're right! I've been such a fool!

Pat Rogers experiences are worthless! What he has seen on the range doesn't mean a damn thing. He doesn't gather facts by observation...NO! He just blathers on in hopes of ensnaring the nearest impressionable person. Prolly just trying to make himself look good, yeah thats the ticket.

Golly gee wiz mister, thanks for clearing that up for me. I'll never be led astray again. I dont wanna be a sheep......will YOU teach me?
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 10:48:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/25/2005 10:53:09 PM EDT by Boom_Stick]

Originally Posted By scottryan:
Some the things you listed are redundant. RED



You only caught two out of 12 total....maybe 13?
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 11:21:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By King_of_All_Tyrants:
1. 1:7" twist barrel. You can use 77gr. bullets if you want
2. MP tested bolt and barrel
3. M16 carrier on the more recent carbines
4. the knowledge that your rifle was made on the same assembly line, with most of the same parts and (hopefully) to the same specs by the people who make tens of thousands of weapons for the US government.

Your choice as to whether or not those are worth getting the Colt for.



Don't forget M4 feedramps and a T numdered upper.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 11:35:24 PM EDT
Nothing substantial to add. Both good. Colt probably better. Colt not civilian friendly. Bushie with recent QA issues. All even, take the Colt. No free lunch.

I pick RRA.

The comments in this thread are really good. Read and think.

R.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 11:49:37 PM EDT
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