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Posted: 4/7/2017 1:12:10 AM EDT
 Attached FileGrossly inconsistent seat depth, and the bullet on the right is indeed crooked. New production lot. Seeing the same issue with multiple lots with both Winchester M855 AND Q3131... |
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Posted: 4/7/2017 1:15:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/7/2017 1:30:00 AM EDT
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WOW I would be afraid to shoot it. The one furthest to the right looks slanted.
I bought a lots of PMC for SHTF and it seems consistent and priced well. |
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Posted: 4/7/2017 2:14:47 AM EDT
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Would not shoot.
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Posted: 4/7/2017 9:15:50 AM EDT
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Looks like seconds/rejects.
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Posted: 4/7/2017 9:17:23 AM EDT
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That reminds me why I buy Wolf Gold and ZQI instead of US made 193 and 855.
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Posted: 4/7/2017 10:40:10 AM EDT
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Sadly... Winc. QC ( IMHO ) is no where near what it was 20 years ago.
I agree with the different bullets comment... and , well, every other comment. After viewing the photos again.. Those are very sloppy rounds... I might be able to reload better rounds with my eyes closed. |
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Posted: 4/7/2017 10:42:08 AM EDT
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The profile of the bullet second from the right looks more like a 55gr M193.
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Posted: 4/7/2017 10:46:45 AM EDT
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You've heard of "Once fired brass", now you have heard of "Once chambered"....
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Posted: 4/7/2017 9:57:26 PM EDT
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The Winchester M855 I had was nice. Did you buy it from a reputable place?
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Posted: 4/7/2017 10:05:42 PM EDT
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That shit is FAKE like CNN news. OP got took on this one. The second from the right appears to be a different bullet completely compared to the others and the green paint just does not look like the real 855 I have handled and shot.
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Posted: 4/7/2017 10:23:56 PM EDT
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Winchester 5.56 is the shittiest ammo out there. I bought 500 rounds of that crap and it groups and cycles multiple rifles all over the place. Never finished that garage off.
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Posted: 4/8/2017 12:37:00 AM EDT
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The profile of the bullet second from the right looks more like a 55gr M193. OP, where did you buy that stuff? |
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Posted: 4/8/2017 3:52:38 AM EDT
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That shit is FAKE like CNN news. OP got took on this one. The second from the right appears to be a different bullet completely compared to the others and the green paint just does not look like the real 855 I have handled and shot. |
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Posted: 4/8/2017 10:45:00 AM EDT
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It is straight from a major firearms / ammunition distributor (no retail sales) who received it directly from Winchester. I personally opened the factory sealed cases. |
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Posted: 4/8/2017 10:52:57 AM EDT
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Was it "XM855" ? I thought I remembered that a lot of the stuff with the XM didn't pass QC but was determined still safe to shoot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is straight from a major firearms / ammunition distributor (no retail sales) who received it directly from Winchester. I personally opened the factory sealed cases. |
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Posted: 4/8/2017 11:25:18 AM EDT
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that is a stupid mith that needs to die! It's packaging codes only 
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Posted: 4/8/2017 11:25:26 PM EDT
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I do have to admit that when looking at each round they appear to be of different diameter and different degree of seating depth.
I don't think I ever seen pretty or consistent M193 or M855 rounds from manufacturers that actually supply them to the US military. They all have imperfections, some of which are concerning if you look too closely. I think what happens is they put them in huge drums and some dude is just fork lifting it around. Probably the military says no more after getting their quota or rejecting the entire lot. They then take these huge drums, dump them out and repackage them to you. In that process, I believe these sort of imperfections happen. Probably sweat shop workers being paid minimum wage and told they have to package it or else they gonna chop their hands off. Actually I don't know if that happens. My thought is if you bought it from a reputable person/store, see if you can return it. If it was me, I think what I would do is simply discard the offending rounds if there aren't many of them. |
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Posted: 4/8/2017 11:32:15 PM EDT
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Was it "XM855" ? I thought I remembered that a lot of the stuff with the XM didn't pass QC but was determined still safe to shoot. Now, there is such a thing as "rejected" M193/M855. However, "rejects" are not exactly what you think they are. They simply mean that the military inspected the drum of ammo, and found something that they didn't like. Could be a number of things like they test fired it and it didn't meet their velocity. They, the military, general reject the entire lot if something doesn't meet their criteria which are very strict. Just because it is "rejected" it doesn't mean that they are bad and should be destroyed. They simply mean they did not meet military standards. Federal or any of the big suppliers tend to take the lot and repackage them back to civilians. Think of it this way. A really fat guy could attempt to join the military. He'd go to the recruiting office and get "rejected." That doesn't mean he should be killed and shoved in a dumpster. It simply means he's not up for military's strict standards and therefore "rejected" but he could go on and become a security guard. |
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Posted: 4/8/2017 11:40:50 PM EDT
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Bought some of that over the summer and thought it was strange. Only a few in every box of 20 I grabbed. Never ended up shooting it. Stashed it in the dooms day ammo can and haven't bought any since then.
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Posted: 4/9/2017 2:46:33 AM EDT
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The "X" stands for a different factory. Federal claims that the XM193 lineup are made at the civilian plant, away from the military plant. The "X" could also be a protection sort of like Colt's pin attempt. They could claim, "Hey, we're not making military rounds, but something similar but not really." Now, there is such a thing as "rejected" M193/M855. However, "rejects" are not exactly what you think they are. They simply mean that the military inspected the drum of ammo, and found something that they didn't like. Could be a number of things like they test fired it and it didn't meet their velocity. They, the military, general reject the entire lot if something doesn't meet their criteria which are very strict. Just because it is "rejected" it doesn't mean that they are bad and should be destroyed. They simply mean they did not meet military standards. Federal or any of the big suppliers tend to take the lot and repackage them back to civilians. Think of it this way. A really fat guy could attempt to join the military. He'd go to the recruiting office and get "rejected." That doesn't mean he should be killed and shoved in a dumpster. It simply means he's not up for military's strict standards and therefore "rejected" but he could go on and become a security guard. |
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Posted: 4/9/2017 9:04:07 AM EDT
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Stop perpetuating that bs. There's nothing wrong with using "rejected" ammo because it simply means it hasn't met military standards. It's still good to fire. |
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Posted: 4/9/2017 1:49:14 PM EDT
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I remember my first rifle qual.
Besides the one booger on the right, first pic, that's pretty normal for what they give you for rifle qual... |
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Posted: 4/9/2017 1:56:12 PM EDT
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Another pic... looks like really poor quality bullets or two different types? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/282730/wcm855-1-182330.JPG |
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Posted: 4/10/2017 11:09:50 AM EDT
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Wow. I've never been impressed by Winchester "quality", and have heard their new plant they moved to has even worse QC problems, but didn't know it was that bad. That ammo looks like shit. I hope you got that for one Hell of a deal. As in... like, Free. Shit, that looks about on par with the "is this ammo recovered from jams safe to shoot" thread a couple lines further down (where most people said don't bother, discard that ammo in that thread).
Wow. That's confidence inspiring. I'm sure the powder-dispensing team though are super-on-the-ball, despite the fact that the bullet fabrication department appears to be a bunch of drunks, and the seating department mailed it in, and the tip painting department has less pride in their work than Syrian airbase tree-trimmer. |
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Posted: 4/10/2017 11:58:05 AM EDT
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That shit is FAKE like CNN news. OP got took on this one. The second from the right appears to be a different bullet completely compared to the others and the green paint just does not look like the real 855 I have handled and shot. Ogive. They don't care to seperate one machine's different output from another. There is a reason their component bullets cannot compete in the accuracy department. They have very low QC standards on that item. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 2:58:54 AM EDT
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Winchester M855 has always sucked in my book. PPU M855 from Korea is what I'd buy, if I had to buy M855.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 8:09:50 AM EDT
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It's PMC that Korean.
But yes I agree about the Win 855 |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 8:30:57 AM EDT
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You guys have to remember that this is not match grade ammunition. If you're in doubt about the projectile find a magnet, they should stick. I say shoot it. I've shot far worse looking .50 cal when I was still on active duty.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 9:16:44 AM EDT
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You guys have to remember that this is not match grade ammunition. If you're in doubt about the projectile find a magnet, they should stick. I say shoot it. I've shot far worse looking .50 cal when I was still on active duty. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:07:19 AM EDT
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The profile of the bullet second from the right looks more like a 55gr M193. Hey OP, see if it attracts to a magnet. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:29:47 AM EDT
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Sadly... Winc. QC ( IMHO ) is no where near what it was 20 years ago. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 12:32:50 PM EDT
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That second to last bullet is a Hollow Point looks like to me. Definitely not a SS109 projectile. Ogive is way too blunt.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 7:26:32 PM EDT
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There's a lot of real estate between "not match grade" and "can't even get the right bullet in the case". |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:13:09 AM EDT
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There's a lot of real estate between "not match grade" and "can't even get the right bullet in the case". On the range/normal day? No fucking way. I have no problem using my tools. Putting those through, especially that one on the right? Sheesh! That's borderline abuse/asking for trouble. I'm slightly embellishing but you get the idea. |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 9:58:09 AM EDT
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Looks like XM855!! That is why I do not buy it, even the green tips are uneven.
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Posted: 4/14/2017 1:09:39 AM EDT
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I went to a local store and saw win m855 on sale. I was pleasantly surprised to see 2017 production. Interestingly there were two types of 2017 production headstamps. Some were the old style with more space between characters. Anyone know why there are two types?
Also I was surprised to see 2016 headstamps in the same box! They were all like that 
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Posted: 4/14/2017 1:46:40 AM EDT
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I remember my first rifle qual. Besides the one booger on the right, first pic, that's pretty normal for what they give you for rifle qual... It will all function and is likely within the accuracy standard for mil 855. I think that standard is crazy low....like 4 MOA or so, but measured via AMR or similar...I could be wrong, it's been years since I cared about green tip. |
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Posted: 4/14/2017 8:56:36 AM EDT
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This. It will all function and is likely within the accuracy standard for mil 855. I think that standard is crazy low....like 4 MOA or so, but measured via AMR or similar...I could be wrong, it's been years since I cared about green tip. and the average horizontal standard deviation shall be no greater than 6.8 inches at 600 yards, or alternatively, no greater than 1.8 inches at 200 yards., The alternate 200.-yard accuracy test is permitted only on an indoor range which may be used only in the event of unsuitable outdoor weather conditions as described in Section 3.1 of SCATP-5.56 rmnHeavy Bullet. |
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Posted: 4/14/2017 9:19:02 PM EDT
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3.11 Accuracv .. Both average vertical standard deviation and the average horizontal standard deviation shall be no greater than 6.8 inches at 600 yards, or alternatively, no greater than 1.8 inches at 200 yards., The alternate 200.-yard accuracy test is permitted only on an indoor range which may be used only in the event of unsuitable outdoor weather conditions as described in Section 3.1 of SCATP-5.56 rmnHeavy Bullet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This. It will all function and is likely within the accuracy standard for mil 855. I think that standard is crazy low....like 4 MOA or so, but measured via AMR or similar...I could be wrong, it's been years since I cared about green tip. and the average horizontal standard deviation shall be no greater than 6.8 inches at 600 yards, or alternatively, no greater than 1.8 inches at 200 yards., The alternate 200.-yard accuracy test is permitted only on an indoor range which may be used only in the event of unsuitable outdoor weather conditions as described in Section 3.1 of SCATP-5.56 rmnHeavy Bullet. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 9:29:48 PM EDT
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I've said it before- Wolf steel case is better ammo than Winchester ammo from Korea.
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