For what he's asking the pistol grip shouldn't be where it is, have I missed something?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=293789221#PIC

interesting.  if anyone buys it and makes a pistol out it, i think that they need to register it as a AOW with a vertical grip.

Not sure what pristine DOE uppers were going for on Auto Weapons. It may have been twice that.

Any opinion as to the "factory" nature of that grip? Would seem to blow the idea of easily concealing the shorty or putting it in a briefcase.

I got to play with DOE weapons last night, sadly they were a lot newer. I want the old stuff.......

Not sure if serious...

if you sbr your lower and put that on, it's cool.  if you make an ar15 pistol out of it and have a vertical grip, then you have made an AOW which requires a tax stamp.  you can swap out the handguards with a set without a vertical grip or be a test case for the atf prosecution team.

Dirtshooter grip.  Having a hard time believing that came from Colt.

Maybe y'all are looking @ a different picture than I am, or you're really fond of shooting gangsta'?  In my plane of reference, that's a horizontal grip, just sayin'.

Gig 'em,

backbencher

I absolutely agree.. I am a Colt Factory and Custom Shop Class III FFL and I have been collecting Colts for over 50 years..I have never seen or heard of anything even close to this configuration for DOE or anyone else..Plus , the
workmanship is just plain awful..nothing left the Colt Factory looking like that abortion!
Like anything else, there is always the exception..but in this case, i seriously doubt it!

I hate to disagree, but if you put a sub 16" barrel on your AR Lower  and call it an SBR, it is not cool without filing a Form 1 with NFA and paying the Transfer Tax as Class III
Perfectly legal to own a sub 16 " Upper...but the minute you mate the upper to the lower it becomes a Class III
You are not allowed by the NFA to even attach the SBR upper to the lower without receiving your SOT back from NFA..currently, the NFA is taking 6-8 months+ to return approved SOT Form 3 to Form 3 Class III dealers is taking 4-6 weeks for NFA approval.
An SBS on the other hand is an AOW  requiring a $5 SOT as long as the  shotgun that is modified is made by a recognized manufacturer with a pistol grip as regular production(becomes a smooth bore pistol according to NFA)..i.e., Mossberg 500 tactical shotguns with factory pistol grip
Remington on the other hand, used to make a factory pistol grip shotgun but no longer does..so if you use an 870 to make an SBS, requires a $200 SOT
I am a Class III FFL by the way

There is some debate of the legality of a HORIZONTAL grip as this one has. I have seen ATF letters that specify vertical. The letters were in regards to the use of the Magpul AFG on a pistol. I don't recall if there was ever a definitive answer though.

You're not understanding what Boywonder is saying. You can put a sub 16 barrel on a REGISTERED PISTOL lower. No stamp needed. You can make a pistol out of that DOE but without the side grip. No stock. Its perfectly legal. If you SBR it you can have the side grip. If you leave the side grip it needs to be an AOW if you have no stock. If you are a Class III you should know this so you must have misunderstood the post.

yep.  and for the side grip verses vertical grip, it's a little too grey in my opinion and i wouldn't want to be the test case.  the afg got approval b/c it's more of a hand stop vs a grip.  this is obviously a grip since it's a modified a1 pistol grip.  be kind of hard saying that it was a grip but now that you attached it to your handguards, it's not a grip.  but then again, some ar manufacturer got the atf to allow vertical grips on their ar15 pistols.  i personally wouldn't take that letter and apply it to your home build.

Ok, do you, or anyone else, have any letters from BATFE indicating a horizontal grip would force a pistol into AOW status?  Every letter I've seen regarding grips on pistols has all been about VERTICAL grips.  If we have anything to indicate a horizontal grip installation would throw a pistol into AOW staus, post 'em, or admit speculation.

Gig 'em,

backbencher

Well, I TRIED 2X to quote another post here, but I guess I'll have to do it the hard way.  Sterling Pistols have a side mounted magazine, but the way I understand it, under no circumstances should it be used a a second hand hold. I would not test the ATF on this. Leave the lower withyour FFL and have them assemble it for $5. (Thay have to have a Class 2 licence and an understanding of the law.)

For example- you have your Class 2 guy cut a shotgun down for you  - he can do it right away, but he cannot release it to you until the paperwork is approved. If you do it yourself and try and get the guy to rubber stamp it, well, I figure you are fucked.

No it's DeWalt, definitely DeWalt.

Is this the same seller that had the transistor radio butt stock?

..nothing left the Colt Factory looking like that abortion!

Thought that was good!  I saw the post earlier and that was my thought exactly.  With very little experience in the SBR or AOW game  thought I'd pay attention and learn something.  Heck I didn't spend $5 on a pen gun.  Was thinking about doing a corporate trust FA someday as possibly an investment since CD's aren't paying much interest.

Is this the same seller that had the transistor radio butt stock?

Good question!

Posted this question in the Class 3 legal forum:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_50/374273_.html&page=1

Gig 'em,

backbencher

I just executed my NFA Trust..If you need a good firearms attorney, and they are few and far between, I can recommend a very good one in Ohio
I transferred several  items from my Firearms  LLC( in anticipation of 'retiring' permanently and surrendering my licenses and files in about a year or so) ,which technically owns the Class III's, to my Trust on  separate Form 4's  . Many advantages. By the way, the only weapons or Class III items
necessary to  transfer to an NFA Trust are Class III SOT items.They don't much care about Title I, plain old guns, rifles and shotguns, at least not necessary to include in your Trust.I strongly advise creating an NFA Trust if you are planning to buy or already have
Class III 's either in your name or your company name.It's really only a minor hassle..of course, you have oto send to the NFA :
1- Copy of Executed Trust
2-Check for either $200  or $5, depending on weapon status (AOW or Class III)
3-Completed Form 4 in duplicate , printing front and back  fo form on one sheet of paper.
4-Not specifically requested, , but a good idea to include a Compliance Form ATF 5330.20
By electing to Form a Firearms Trust, you are not required to supply photos or fingerprint cards, or signature of CLEO in your county with the Form 4
Many other benefit in a Trust, including the ability to "keep the items in the family", without additional registration by appointing Co-Trustees and Beneficiaries in the Trust.
Believe it or not, there are very few, relatively speaking, Firearms specific Lawyers in the Country....average price for an NFA Trust is about $1200-1500 + SOT Transfer Check

Please Note: I am NOT an Attorney or an authority on ATF/NFA Regs or Firearms Trusts..Please do all your own research with a good attorney to avoid mistakes, which are easy to make.
I hold no liability for the above 'advice' and posted it as informational only
Also, if the Trust concept is appealing to you, execute your Trust BEFORE purchasing any Class III Item.The Trusts are not  for everyone, and if you only own one Class III item, probably not worth the expense; But if you own multiple Class III's, definitely worth the time and expense, or if you are a first time Class III  Buyer.
Again Note, My advice is to consult a Firearms Attorney..Please do not take the above advice as gospel.I claim NO Liability or Responsibility  whatsoever for the above.
Also: I advise against a corporate Trust unless you are already an FFL as the Corporation will own the Class III's , Not you personally even if you have an LLC and think your name and the LLC are one in the same.They are not.
Once you sell, close or relinquish your company you would have to go through the Normal Form 4 Transfer at some point anyway, unless you keep your company forever.  Your best bet, and just my 2 cents, is the NFA Trust.
It is an interesting and advantageous way to fully comply 100% with all NFA Rules and Regs in a more 'pleasant' format if you will. It will also reduce fears of passing on Class III's to your immediate family

Very True, and Thank You for the Reminder and Correction and yes apparently I diid misunderstand(old age blues), and apologize to the Forum for not including SB Pistols in the above post......I was referring to SBR's and SBS , NOT pistols..but be careful..IF a stock can be attached it is not a sub 16" pistol any longer. Again, Thank You for the added information..much appreciated, and Yes, I am a Class III, and Yes, of course i know the difference..just misread the initial post and only referred to SBR's and SBS's. Sorry for wasting bandwidth!..

He has one of these

Your price for NFA trust is about $1500 more than what I was recently quoted. I am setting up my trust soon as I get 'home' from vacation.

Not the same seller. I still had that dumb stock on my watch list.

Not My Trust..My Attorneys Trust that he drew up for me....If you can whip out an NFA Trust yourself, go for it of course if you are so inclined.As I had 9 different Class III's to transfer to the Trust I wanted to get it right the first time.
But  I'm in a different position perhaps..I was transferring Class III's from my Firearms  LLC to my new NFA  Trust in anticipation of closing my firearms business within a year or so but of course wanted to retain all of my unsold Class III inventory