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Posted: 6/18/2003 11:34:00 AM EDT
We need to give assault rifles a less menacing nick name

Given that there all nothing but Semi Automatic RifleS, we should call them SARS. That way if your at the range with 2 MAC-90's and some one says "Hey where did you get SARS from"? You can say "SARS come from china". Did you know in Canada they banned SARS? now any one with SARS can't leave there house or else they will be given trouble by the government.
We need to remind people that SARS hardly ever kill any one, especially in America.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 11:39:11 AM EDT
I prefer to use the name: Tool.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 11:40:52 AM EDT
I thought we were calling them "Sport Utility Rifles" or "Homeland Security Rifles".
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 11:42:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/18/2003 11:43:55 AM EDT by 7IDL]
R I F L E
Main Entry: rifle Function: noun Date: 1770 1 a : a shoulder weapon with a rifled bore ...
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Link Posted: 6/18/2003 11:55:54 AM EDT
What's so bad calling it an assault rifle. Assault is what it's going to be used for if 20 men break into my house expecting to gang rape my family...as they did about 30 miles away earlier this year. Assault is also what our founding fathers suggested for tyrants who try and take over this country: "What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson Screw the politically correct terminology. Weapons aren't designed to be politically correct. They are designed to defend our homes and preserve our country. I'm not changing the name of my rifle to sound like this: [url]http://www.networkdweebs.com/barbiem4.gif[/url] just to be politically correct.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:01:25 PM EDT
was my SARS joke lost on every one?
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:09:12 PM EDT
Carbine
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:13:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By napalm113: was my SARS joke lost on every one?
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Not everyone. Just the one's who responded. [;D] "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever." --David St. Hubbins
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:22:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jzdziarski: What's so bad calling it an assault rifle.
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Because what most of us own are not assault rifles. I own exactly one assault rifle at present - my AR-18 select-fire. Now I own several semi-auto rifles that closely resemble the AR-18 but are limited to semi-auto only.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:29:18 PM EDT
I didn't laugh because it's a sad thing when people think we should change the names of our rifles to something that doesn't piss off the liberals. "Assault Rifle" is also a relative term, too many FA bigots in here will tell you AR-15's aren't assault rifles.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:33:50 PM EDT
well I see the uniformed masses have corrupted the dictionary already....
One entry found for assault rifle. Main Entry: assault rifle Function: noun Date: 1975 : any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles designed for military use with large capacity magazines
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[url]http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary[/url] and then there's this:
Assault weapon: A meaningless term invented by the anti-gun movement to demonize any firearm which they consider ugly. There is no accepted definition of this term. A number of municipalities (including Denver) and states (including California) have attempted to define the term, but have been unsuccessful in doing so, without also outlawing a number of perfectly legitimate hunting rifles which are functionally identical in all regards. Some have attempted to do so by banning specific firearms, and this was done with the Denver ordinance. The Denver ordinance was not based on any scientific or engineering criteria, but simply by picking “ugly” guns out of a catalog. As a result, certain firearms are illegal in Denver, but identical models of different calibers are perfectly legal. There is no rhyme or reason to their bannings, and it even includes at least one single-shot bolt-action rifle! Rifles commonly used across the State of Colorado for varmint hunting, medium-game hunting, and high-power competition are banned in Denver. The California “Assault-Weapons” Bill was an example of banning by specifying specific firearms as being “assault weapons,” but the law was recently invalidated by the courts, as the statute was determined to be unconstitutionally vague. Again, in this instance, there was no functional difference between the banned firearms and conventional hunting rifles.
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Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:37:00 PM EDT
Since when did California's assault weapons ban get smacked down? I hear people bichin about it in here daily.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:38:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By napalm113: was my SARS joke lost on every one?
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Nah, I got it... We must have the same twisted sense of humor... We could call it AIDS Anti Incursion Defense System The name alone would make the liberals stay away... When asked if you have an Assault Rifle you can say "NO, I have AIDS"... then reach out your hand for a hand shake and watch them run... [sniper2]
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 1:23:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 7IDL: R I F L E
Main Entry: rifle Function: noun Date: 1770 1 a : a shoulder weapon with a rifled bore ...
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AMEN
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 2:04:56 PM EDT
Homeland Defense Rifle Debo
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 2:07:10 PM EDT
ASSAULT RIFLES are regulated by the firearms acts of '35 and '86. ASSAULT RIFLES are selective fire. AR's are NOT assault rifles. They are semi-automatic versions of ASSAULT RIFLES. I'm not appeasing any liberal when I use proper nomenclature. I am correcting them and educating them to the differences between ASSAULT RIFLES and Semi-Automatic versions/copies. As I would not offend those that carried BATTLE RIFLES, like the '03 Springfield, or the M1 into combat by calling the M-16 a battle rifle I would not mis-label the AR an ASSAULT RIFLE. Defending your home, like a fighting position is not "assault" its defense. And the Founding Fathers suggested rebellion and or revolution. Firearm terminology is one determined by those with the knowledge to accurately do so. Silencers, don't, suppressors do. Clips aren't magazines etc. etc.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 2:24:05 PM EDT
and 80% of the people in the country couldn't care less what you call them. people drive "cars", not "sedans" not "coupes", not "roadsters". And unless they know you enough to know you have a coupe and a roadster and a sedan and can understand why you are differentiating they are gonna think you are at least a little eccentric. Seen a thread on another board complaining about the No Ho shootout and the feller was griping that they didn't mention when he changed from the AK to the G3 or similar. WTF? Are you kidding? 97% of the country neither knows nor cares about the difference. Sides I thought you were going to mention the individual names of the guns, you know Ratkiller, Thor's Hammer, Boomer (that's the Trapdoor) etc
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 2:49:22 PM EDT
most people I speak to think the ASSAULT WEAPON ban is a good thing because "people don't need or shouldn't have machine guns." Most people have no idea that functionally the weapons concerned are no different than Browning's auto loaders. Those w/ wood stocks, that aren't so "menacing" looking. Most people don't know that although "they aren't opposed to hunting "guns"" "hunting "guns" are more effective killing machines as their ammunition choices are designed to kill much more "durable" game than man. Most anti-gunners, are concerned w/ handguns, when any "hunting "gun"" would penetrate a LEO's vest much easier than any "dum-dum round" . Ignorance fuels the anti- fire. Any conversation I've ever had w/ an anti left them w/ the dumbest f@(/!ng look on their face, when they realize they know nothing more about firearms than the retoric they read in newspapers and the bs they see in movies. Some do care about the differences. 97% don't know the differnce. Your absolutely right, all the more reason why you should point it out. Share your knowledge, and put things back into perspective. It'll go a long way. People watch the news and see gus, black guns. The news adds in machine guns. They don't do it to show the difference. Most firearm terminology is confusingto the unknowing, look at how many members of this board do't get it right. You think mom&pop at home know the difference between an AR and an AK, let lone an M16 and an AR? Hell no. They see black guns, and they see someone blow the $#!t out of a watermelon. WHOA!! then some idiot says, my law would make you safe from these. They could care less if they're no longer legal, they forget all the other details and think, black gun, lots of bullets, I think the news man said they are bad, ok ban them. And members of this board think we should not care about their impressions of us, our hobbie/lifeblood, rigts. WOW. Go ahead turn your back on the general populace, and walk away while CBS, NBC, FOX, TIME, UNIVERSAL on and on....manipulate evry fact, picture and image. Taht'll get you somewhere. I think setting the record straight and sharing your knowledge, and POV, will get you farther. Nobody gives a $#1t whether the north Hollywood shooters used M4's, AK's or Flintlocks. What they do care about is the fact that those "illegally" converted guns were not the same weapons were speaking of in regards to the '94 ban. Those Machine guns or ASSAULT RIFLES are NOT legal. And the ban would not have regulated their sale.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 2:53:13 PM EDT
i call it my homeland defense rifle
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 2:54:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SULACO2: ASSAULT RIFLES are regulated by the firearms acts of '35 and '86. ASSAULT RIFLES are selective fire. AR's are NOT assault rifles. They are semi-automatic versions of ASSAULT RIFLES. I'm not appeasing any liberal when I use proper nomenclature. I am correcting them and educating them to the differences between ASSAULT RIFLES and Semi-Automatic versions/copies. As I would not offend those that carried BATTLE RIFLES, like the '03 Springfield, or the M1 into combat by calling the M-16 a battle rifle I would not mis-label the AR an ASSAULT RIFLE. Defending your home, like a fighting position is not "assault" its defense. And the Founding Fathers suggested rebellion and or revolution. Firearm terminology is one determined by those with the knowledge to accurately do so. Silencers, don't, suppressors do. Clips aren't magazines etc. etc.
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You've got it right and plenty of us do care about using the correct terminology. Personally, I've never seen a 30-round clip !! (And the AR in AR-15 stands for ARmalite - always has.)
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 3:02:13 PM EDT
It's not an "assualt rifle", it's a Freedom Dispenser!
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 3:33:16 PM EDT
No, It Armalite Rifle, Like SR stands for Stoner rifle.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 3:50:48 PM EDT
Well since everyone is afraid of a black black gun, let's change SOMETHING. Better the name than the gun. Hell, what do they want us to do? Paint our guns pink and white??? I'm convinced that this whole AWB was one big conspiracy...
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 4:28:17 PM EDT
I see everyone's points, but agree with "Pandanby"'s post. The "Sedan", "Roadster" example makes perfect sense. Not that Sulaco's wrong (he's technically right) but well, what it all comes down to is that the Left wants to ban all "menacing looking guns" as one poster put it so well. Maybe legally tweaking & defining the "Assault Rifle" name may be a good tactic, but eventually, we'll have to not worry about the names, and just make sure that high-quality, high-capacity firearms will still be available to the people. Good topic Napalm! (And yes, I got your joke.) And that Barbie M4? Hilarious! Anthony
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 4:39:12 PM EDT
AJ, I agree with you on everything but the following: the left don't want to ban all menacing looking guns, they want to ban all guns period. But, in the last elections we saw that the left doesn't outpower us, but the moderates outpower both of us, and we have to win THEM over. And I think those are the people a lil' knowledge sharing will work on. The die hards we'll never win over. But, everyone else, we just might. It is a good post/topic. And I appreciate the exchange of ideas, it can't hurt. Shoot straight and watch six.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 5:09:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By napalm113: "Hey where did you get SARS from"? You can say "SARS come from china".
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I thought SARS came from Romania? Yes, I got the joke.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 5:11:41 PM EDT
I'll play..... I have SARS (Severe AR15 Requisition Syndrome.)
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 6:10:29 PM EDT
Good point about the "moderate" people who just don't know what gun ownership is all about. Other than attending a [url=http://www.anthonyjosephevans.com/osot/032203/]Support our Troops and our President rally[/url] once and voting, I admit that I'm not very active in being a "pro-gun activist". (somehow the word "activist" just gives me the willies.) Now that I own my pistol AND my rifle, I plan on joining the NRA and one other group "Citizens Committe for the right to keep & bear arms", and I plan on being more active. What I feel that I can do PERSONALLY, and HAVE already done, and will continue to do so, is to try to sway the moderate, non-gun-owning folks who don't have an opinion either way. I'm ALWAYS open & honest & friendly about my gun ownership & hobby. I kindly explain the joys of learning how to improve accuracy in a pistol, the wholesome fun of plinking... The bottom line is that I'm always very nice & friendly, and never "in their face". Now I don't BS them either, but I present gun ownership as a positive, wholesome, and fun part of life, without being a used car salesman. Sure, I get questions like "Would you shoot someone?" and I answer truthfully: "I'd shoot back if they were a threat to me (with elaboration.) You would love the looks on these people's faces after they visit me, hold my unloaded (and checked) beautiful stainless steel .45 and their "fear" is gone. This kind of word-of-mouth spreading of something good is very powerful in my opinion. When they ask questions, sure I quote the 2nd amendment and present common sense arguments, but always in a nice & positive NON-know-it-all-superior way. What non-gun-owning person wants a lecture? Believe me, this works! I know I'm just one person, but that's how I handle the situation on a personal one-at-a-time level. Anthony
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 6:41:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By napalm113: No, It Armalite Rifle, Like SR stands for Stoner rifle.
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No, it is AR for ARmalite' The AR-17 was a 12 gauge shotgun, the AR-13 a hyper-velocity gun system for aircraft, etc. ArmaLite used the "AR" designator on all their guns whether rifles or not.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 7:12:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sukebe: I thought we were calling them "Sport Utility Rifles" or "Homeland Security Rifles".
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homeland security rifle...sounds safe liberals can't fight that...i hope?
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 7:53:25 PM EDT
Assault rifle = cannonade musket? Assault rifle = fusillade weapon? Assault rifle = barrage cannon? (Fun with a thesaurus)
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 8:07:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/18/2003 8:08:46 PM EDT by Knife_Sniper]
I say we call them "POW POW's" Think about it. These simple words are easily said, FUN to say, while still remaining relevant to the semiautomatic "assault rifle". So simple to say, that upon hearing it a two year old child would replicate the name immediatly. Once this has been done... the seeds of assault rifle syndrom will be mercellesly take root in the very minds of America's youth. They will all enroll in "POW POW" schools and it will become 10x bigger than paintball within five years. The POW POW program would entail responsibility, morality, and ethics into a young man or woman. Bigger than cub scouts! This name is our key, our very key to Zion. "Mom, I want a POW-15 for my Birthday! Then I want to join PPP, the POW POW Program!" "Sure little Johny." A utopia of young Americans obsessed with the desire to actually BE Americans. It sounds so innocent.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 8:45:09 PM EDT
jeez.. i totally agree.. all my friends are freaking out at my very modest black rifle fever. i've stopped telling ppl about it at all. and i've got friends who spend fortunes on illegal street racing carstuff, custom computer modifications and hacking. but owning a few guns is taboo? how bout "MAG-FED RIFLES" or "MAG RIFLES" for ease? and SARS was funny as he11.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 8:47:44 PM EDT
I prefer the title "Social Justice Administrator" for my AK-74: [img][/img] Remember guys, when it comes to taxing and regulating people in the high holy name of state socialism, you need not worry about evil names for guns! It's all for the people!
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 9:01:52 PM EDT
I always got a kick out of the "Daisy" name for the best BB guns that my pals and I were into back in '84+. Here's my "Sweet and Innocent" sounding totally kick ass BB CO2 plinker "DAISY" pistol: [img]http://www.anthonyjosephevans.com/gun/bbguns/BB Gun Pistol.JPG[img] I love my Daisy. I frolicked with my Daisy through daisy covered fields, harmlessly shooting empty Coke cans full of copper with Van Halen's "Panama" in the background, with my "Daisy". Just goes to show ya, the name may not match the tool! Anthony
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 9:11:35 PM EDT
Homeland Defense Arms. That is it. Everyone believes in Homeland Defense. And for them to say they do, then to say, but we can't have the tools needed to perform Homeland Defense, makes them hypocrits. This makes THEM the @$$hole.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 9:24:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/18/2003 9:24:52 PM EDT by f16warbird]
"This is my BOOM STICK!!!" - Ash "Army of Darkness"
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 6:42:53 AM EDT
BRA'S For Freedom!!!!!! Black Rifle Arsenal For Freedom!!!! Lets all go 60's now and chant......... After all.....what true American could be against freedom?????
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 6:47:51 AM EDT
if we called shotguns "anti personal shoulder cannons" they could just as easily be banned. Having a menacing nickname ends the debate before it even starts.
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 7:54:37 AM EDT
SO is "Pow Pow" in or out?
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 4:56:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Knife_Sniper: I say we call them "POW POW's"
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Actually, I think "Bang Bang's" is the prefered term. [50]
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 5:32:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 73wcf4440:
Originally Posted By Knife_Sniper: I say we call them "POW POW's"
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Actually, I think "Bang Bang's" is the prefered term. [50]
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[cartman]No, kenny, it doesn't go "pichoo, pichoo. It goes [b]BANG BANG BANG[/b]![/cartman]
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 6:11:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Irishfly: Homeland Defense Rifle Debo
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Yep. When Mikhail Kalishnikov came to Dallas a few years back for the SHOT show, he was asked about his inspiration for the AK-47. He said he built it to "Defend The Motherland". I could not agree more.
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 6:48:49 PM EDT
I like the BRAS one... : P
Link Posted: 6/20/2003 10:40:39 PM EDT
no one liked "mag-fed"?
Link Posted: 6/21/2003 12:43:55 AM EDT
tiggly wigglies who could support a ban on things with such a silly name ...
Link Posted: 6/21/2003 4:55:18 AM EDT
I like the homeland security rifle best.
Link Posted: 6/21/2003 6:14:00 AM EDT
It's a flippin [b][red]RIFLE[/b][/red] or maybe its a [b][red]Semi-Automatic RIFLE[/b][/red] IT DOESN'T MATTER, as long as it is an "ARM"
Main Entry: [u]arm[/u] Function: noun Usage: often attributive Etymology: Middle English armes (plural) weapons, from Old French, from Latin arma Date: [blue]13th century[/blue] 1 a :[red] a means (as a weapon) of offense or defense;[u] especially : FIREARM [/red][/u]
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Don't patronize the damn liberal Pieces OF SHIT, WE know what their agenda is. If they don't like the term RIFLE or what ever term PROPERLY identifies it as such, to hell with them. The 2nd [b]PROTECTS[/b] our right, not grants it.
Link Posted: 6/21/2003 10:45:14 AM EDT
I think Killing Machine sounds kind of nice or perhaps the Democrates would like People Eaters! hehe SALT - Semi Auto Life Taker! Whatever we do let's draw the line at Oly's PCR! Politically Correct Rifle.
Link Posted: 6/21/2003 11:50:51 AM EDT
my 2 yr old calls them booms. ars, pistols, any gun. by the way they are just like any other gun
Link Posted: 6/21/2003 12:39:13 PM EDT
how about people killing models? GG
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