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Posted: 7/21/2010 8:20:35 PM EDT
I got a RR 10.5" SBR. I went and shot it the other day, and then saw the Battlecomp 1.0 website. I ordered one of these and put it on my rifle and went to shoot it tonight. Man, this thing rocks, well not actually, it takes away about 98% of the muzzle rise and it is solid as a rock. I now see how guys in the videos shoot and it looks like there is no recoil. I do like the fact that this brake is $300 cheaper than the KAC, and accomplishes the same thing. This rifle is loud as hell though.
RRA 10.5" SBR Magpul Miad grip Magpul MOE stock Magpul BUIS Magpul AFG Magpul APS Magpul MS2 sling EoTech XPS 2-0 Streamlight TLR1 Battlecomp 1.0 compensator PRI charging handle w/ Medium latch 10" rails to come so I can mount the light on the bottom in front of the AFG with a tape switch on the side above the AFG. |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 8:25:47 PM EDT
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very nice!
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Posted: 7/21/2010 8:29:08 PM EDT
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Sounds great but Im concerned something was so expensive to even be able to garner a $300 savings, especially something as simple as a compensator
Definately want to see it though! |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 9:57:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2010 10:07:28 PM EDT
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Love that rifle! |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 10:08:36 PM EDT
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Sounds great but Im concerned something was so expensive to even be able to garner a $300 savings, especially something as simple as a compensator Definately want to see it though! look at the KAC Inconel triple tap brake retails for about $425-$450 anywhere you look. It is the one that Chris Costa uses in the Magpul videos, and it makes the rifle have almost zero muzzle flip. It makes shooting the AR more fun. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 12:13:26 AM EDT
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sex
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Posted: 7/22/2010 1:11:48 AM EDT
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Sweet rifle man!
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Posted: 7/22/2010 3:09:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2010 4:16:18 AM EDT
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Very nice, I am jealous
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Posted: 7/22/2010 4:25:32 AM EDT
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Not a RRA fan, but that looks evl.... love it.
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Posted: 7/22/2010 4:31:11 AM EDT
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How do you like the AFG on the SBR?
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Posted: 7/22/2010 5:12:40 AM EDT
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SaWeet!
And I do like the BattleComp muzzle brake/ flash suppressor. A tad pricey at $149.99 to me though? And with my luck, it only comes in 1/2 X 28 threads. Stag Arms threads their barrels 1/2 X 36. At least that's what they told me when I asked. Another great muzzle brake or flash suppressor is made by Smith Enterprises. None the less, congrats on the new toy. It is sharp looking. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 5:19:54 AM EDT
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I want that.
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Posted: 7/22/2010 5:27:55 AM EDT
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that is one freakin sweet sbr man!
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Posted: 7/22/2010 5:47:13 AM EDT
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How do you like the AFG on the SBR? I like it pretty well. I really need a longer rail to use it with the light. I assume I will like it better as time goes on and I get use to things being more compact. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 6:21:56 AM EDT
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That is nice! Good job Dude.
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Posted: 7/22/2010 6:24:46 AM EDT
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Not a RRA fan, but that looks evl.... love it. Whereas I'm a huge RRA fan love and seeing a Rock River SBR. Lets have a range report. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 6:31:53 AM EDT
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Nice looking.
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:19:38 AM EDT
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Not a RRA fan, but that looks evl.... love it. Whereas I'm a huge RRA fan love seeing a Rock River SBR. Lets have a range report. I have taken it to the range twice. The EoTech shoots true and it is very accurate. I sighted it in at 50 yards because I bought it to use as an entry weapon at work. So far, I have only shot Monarch lacquer case ammo from Academy through it, and it has not had the slightest hiccup. It is very loud, but the Battlecomp brake takes all the muzzle flip out of it. I feel like I should be in a Magpul video shooting it with no muzzle flip like that. The other thing I noticed compared to my 16" 5.56 and 20" LAR-8 is that the smell of the burnt powder is more prevalent with the shorter barrel because it is closer to my nose. I have never shot anything like this before, and I am having a blast with it. As far as grouping goes, I really don't try for small groups. I figure if I can hit an area the size of a paper plate consistently, I would be just fine in a SHTF situation. My 16" with Super Sniper scope is the gun I worry about accuracy and small groups with. Thanks for all the comments. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:31:49 AM EDT
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Not a RRA fan, but that looks evl.... love it. Whereas I'm a huge RRA fan love seeing a Rock River SBR. Lets have a range report. I have taken it to the range twice. The EoTech shoots true and it is very accurate. I sighted it in at 50 yards because I bought it to use as an entry weapon at work. So far, I have only shot Monarch lacquer case ammo from Academy through it, and it has not had the slightest hiccup. It is very loud, but the Battlecomp brake takes all the muzzle flip out of it. I feel like I should be in a Magpul video shooting it with no muzzle flip like that. The other thing I noticed compared to my 16" 5.56 and 20" LAR-8 is that the smell of the burnt powder is more prevalent with the shorter barrel because it is closer to my nose. I have never shot anything like this before, and I am having a blast with it. As far as grouping goes, I really don't try for small groups. I figure if I can hit an area the size of a paper plate consistently, I would be just fine in a SHTF situation. My 16" with Super Sniper scope is the gun I worry about accuracy and small groups with. Thanks for all the comments. Being a RRA I assume it's a 1/9 bbl. I was just curious as to accuracy as some SBRs are surprisingly accurate. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:42:12 AM EDT
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Beautiful hardly seems appropriate. That's dead sexy.
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:43:57 AM EDT
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I shot it resting on sandbags to sight in the EoTech and MBUS. It was extremely accurate. I will probably get better with more practice at shooting and moving rather than using a bench. I haven't done much moving and shooting, and have only been shooting AR rifles for a little over a year. It is a 1/7 twist barrel.
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:47:58 AM EDT
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Top Score. That this is awesome!
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:03:22 AM EDT
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SaWeet! And I do like the BattleComp muzzle brake/ flash suppressor. A tad pricey at $149.99 to me though? And with my luck, it only comes in 1/2 X 28 threads. Stag Arms threads their barrels 1/2 X 36. At least that's what they told me when I asked. Another great muzzle brake or flash suppressor is made by Smith Enterprises. None the less, congrats on the new toy. It is sharp looking. So you have a 6.8? |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:23:41 AM EDT
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I shot it resting on sandbags to sight in the EoTech and MBUS. It was extremely accurate. I will probably get better with more practice at shooting and moving rather than using a bench. I haven't done much moving and shooting, and have only been shooting AR rifles for a little over a year. It is a 1/7 twist barrel. Cool. So if you wanted to you could own all the real estate out to 300m. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:41:01 AM EDT
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i was thinking about 200 or so due to the shorter barrel. maybe i am wrong though
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:45:16 AM EDT
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Me likey.....
I am going to get me one or three of those battlecomps as soon as they get them running with the Gemtech Halo...... |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:52:26 AM EDT
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i was thinking about 200 or so due to the shorter barrel. maybe i am wrong though Bbl length has little to do with accuracy. It helps when shooting with irons because you have a longer sight radius. Using optics, the only physical difference is muzzle velocity. Also, when some bbls are shorter, they are more rigid, thus having less tendency to flex and can actually be more accurate than longer versions of the same bbl. I say all that to say, most shorter bbls will be just as accurate as longer ones when using optics though you will lose some velocity. *ETA: Sight radius instead of sight picture. Also, nice rifle!! |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:06:12 AM EDT
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Nice rifle. That's my next purchase is the BattleComp
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:15:40 AM EDT
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i was thinking about 200 or so due to the shorter barrel. maybe i am wrong though Bbl length has little to do with accuracy. It helps when shooting with irons because you have a longer sight picture. Using optics, the only physical difference is muzzle velocity. Also, when some bbls are shorter, they are more rigid, thus having less tendency to flex and can actually be more accurate than longer versions of the same bbl. I say all that to say, most shorter bbls will be just as accurate as longer ones when using optics though you will lose some velocity. Thats what I was thinking. He can definately claim ownage out to 250. On a 600m range I shot on and helped run I remember 11.5's beating an 18" Jane Fonda steel sillouette at 300m like a drum. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 1:00:32 PM EDT
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i was thinking about 200 or so due to the shorter barrel. maybe i am wrong though Bbl length has little to do with accuracy. It helps when shooting with irons because you have a longer sight radius. Using optics, the only physical difference is muzzle velocity. Also, when some bbls are shorter, they are more rigid, thus having less tendency to flex and can actually be more accurate than longer versions of the same bbl. I say all that to say, most shorter bbls will be just as accurate as longer ones when using optics though you will lose some velocity. *ETA: Sight radius instead of sight picture. Also, nice rifle!! Optics don't make the rifle more accurate. Only the shooter. Barrel length does have an effect on accuracy, shorter barrel=slower velocity=change of POI. I reload and my groupings will change dramatically if I adjust velocities in my loads. Also the quicker the bullet slows down from being fired out of a shorter barrel will also cause the bullet to go from supersonic to subsonic much faster. When that happens accuracy goes out the window. Now if we are talking within 100 yards then yes barrel length isnt going to play a major factor in accuracy. Theres a reason most U.S. military sniper rifles are at least 24inches long. Sweet rifle. And if your usage is for within 100 yards that will be an excellent weapon for you. How much was that RRA 1/7 if you dont mind me asking. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 1:10:55 PM EDT
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i was thinking about 200 or so due to the shorter barrel. maybe i am wrong though Bbl length has little to do with accuracy. It helps when shooting with irons because you have a longer sight radius. Using optics, the only physical difference is muzzle velocity. Also, when some bbls are shorter, they are more rigid, thus having less tendency to flex and can actually be more accurate than longer versions of the same bbl. I say all that to say, most shorter bbls will be just as accurate as longer ones when using optics though you will lose some velocity. Que??? Barrel length has EVERYTHING to do w/ accuracy... second in line is barrel twist rate. Longer Barrel = Faster Velocity... faster velocity = more accurate at any distance... there is not arguement there what so ever. The ONLY time a barrel length decreases accuracy is when its TOO long for the caliber, when all the powder burned up and the rest of the barrel starts to slow this down...and this is not the case with a 223.... 22LR and reloads that are very very light/slow are the only calibers that come to mind that would be better in a short barrel. And your short vs. long barrel theory is null.... a long barrel will flex more but as long as you have nothing obstructing its flex it will always flex the exact same and POI will be exactly the same... that is why free floating barrels improve consistant accuracy. And optics have NOTHING to do with shooting what-so-ever... all they do is allow the SHOOTER to accquire the target faster/better and put a more accurate shot down becuase they can see what they are shooting at... the gun/bullet itself is no more/less accurate because an optic is added. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 2:49:33 PM EDT
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i was thinking about 200 or so due to the shorter barrel. maybe i am wrong though Bbl length has little to do with accuracy. It helps when shooting with irons because you have a longer sight radius. Using optics, the only physical difference is muzzle velocity. Also, when some bbls are shorter, they are more rigid, thus having less tendency to flex and can actually be more accurate than longer versions of the same bbl. I say all that to say, most shorter bbls will be just as accurate as longer ones when using optics though you will lose some velocity. *ETA: Sight radius instead of sight picture. Also, nice rifle!! Optics don't make the rifle more accurate. Only the shooter. Barrel length does have an effect on accuracy, shorter barrel=slower velocity=change of POI. I reload and my groupings will change dramatically if I adjust velocities in my loads. Also the quicker the bullet slows down from being fired out of a shorter barrel will also cause the bullet to go from supersonic to subsonic much faster. When that happens accuracy goes out the window. Now if we are talking within 100 yards then yes barrel length isnt going to play a major factor in accuracy. Theres a reason most U.S. military sniper rifles are at least 24inches long. Sweet rifle. And if your usage is for within 100 yards that will be an excellent weapon for you. How much was that RRA 1/7 if you dont mind me asking. Did you actually read anything I said?  Notice that I said, Using optics, the only physical difference is muzzle velocity. Any logical person would assume this means, that all things the same (same weapon, same shooter, bbl profile, lining, etc...) other than the actual length, the only PHYSICAL difference will be velocity (which you so aptly repeated). I said "using optics" because bbl length does generally have a significant effect on a user's accuracy (read: not the bbl) with iron sights, as opposed to using optics (which removes errors caused by having a shorter sight radius). Yes, you are correct in your observation that slower bullets will go from supersonic to subsonic. Again, any logical person could assume this from my statement Using optics, the only physical difference is muzzle velocity. I thought that most people would be able to assume what that means, but apparently not.
Your statement, When that happens accuracy goes out the window. is fairly misleading, seeing as how the velocity difference from a 20" bbl to a 16" bbl is only 127 fps. Yes, if we were comparing a 24" bbl to a 10" bbl there would be significant velocity issues, but clearly that is not in the realm of what the OP was discussing. Had I known everything I said would have been taken so literally and out of context, I would have put various asterisks in my original post for everyone waiting to pounce. Somehow, I don't think the OP will be using his weapon to try dome shots out to 1000 yds with his 10.5" SBR.
Furthermore, your statement Theres a reason most U.S. military sniper rifles are at least 24inches long. is just plain ignorant. Have you heard of a Mk 12 (18")? What about a Mk 11(20")? Or perhaps the M21 (22")? These are all "U.S. Military Sniper Rifles".
I've been wrong before, but I do not believe this is one of those instances. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 2:59:45 PM EDT
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i was thinking about 200 or so due to the shorter barrel. maybe i am wrong though Bbl length has little to do with accuracy. It helps when shooting with irons because you have a longer sight radius. Using optics, the only physical difference is muzzle velocity. Also, when some bbls are shorter, they are more rigid, thus having less tendency to flex and can actually be more accurate than longer versions of the same bbl. I say all that to say, most shorter bbls will be just as accurate as longer ones when using optics though you will lose some velocity. Que??? Barrel length has EVERYTHING to do w/ accuracy... second in line is barrel twist rate. Longer Barrel = Faster Velocity... faster velocity = more accurate at any distance... there is not arguement there what so ever. The ONLY time a barrel length decreases accuracy is when its TOO long for the caliber, when all the powder burned up and the rest of the barrel starts to slow this down...and this is not the case with a 223.... 22LR and reloads that are very very light/slow are the only calibers that come to mind that would be better in a short barrel. And your short vs. long barrel theory is null.... a long barrel will flex more but as long as you have nothing obstructing its flex it will always flex the exact same and POI will be exactly the same... that is why free floating barrels improve consistant accuracy. And optics have NOTHING to do with shooting what-so-ever... all they do is allow the SHOOTER to accquire the target faster/better and put a more accurate shot down becuase they can see what they are shooting at... the gun/bullet itself is no more/less accurate because an optic is added. So if bbl length has EVERYTHING to do with accuracy, and optics have nothing to do with the shooter, why don't you and I go head to head at 400 yards with 7" bbls? You use iron sights, and I'll use a 10x scope. We'll shoot for groups! You basically are espousing the same things I have said, the only physical difference is muzzle velocity so I don't really understand what point you're trying to make. Again, I assumed that my comment could be taken with some degree of context as to the OP's situation and not be donkey humped from every angle as to its merits to ALL other situations.
And optics have NOTHING to do with shooting what-so-ever... all they do is allow the SHOOTER to accquire the target faster/better and put a more accurate shot down becuase they can see what they are shooting at... the gun/bullet itself is no more/less accurate because an optic is added.
You do realize the whole reason I said, "Using optics" was to eliminate user error caused by the SHOOTER. This would be more of a scientific way for comparing the accuracy of a shorter bbl, due to the problems of the shorter sight radius.
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Posted: 7/22/2010 3:14:52 PM EDT
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Sweet rifle. And if your usage is for within 100 yards that will be an excellent weapon for you. How much was that RRA 1/7 if you dont mind me asking. I think it was about $1100 or so. I work in a municipality, and my intent with this gun was for clearing buildings and such. I find it hard to believe that I would use it outside 100 yards. I think my chances of using here in this Texas podunk country town are pretty low, but you never know so it is good to be prepared. It also has the CDI factor. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 4:04:05 PM EDT
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Nice choice!!!!
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:08:16 PM EDT
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Furthermore, your statement Theres a reason most U.S. military sniper rifles are at least 24inches long. is just plain ignorant. Have you heard of a Mk 12 (18")? What about a Mk 11(20")? Or perhaps the M21 (22")? These are all "U.S. Military Sniper Rifles".
I've been wrong before, but I do not believe this is one of those instances. None of those listed are standard issue sniper rifles and if you had read my post I said "most"...not all. The M-24 which is the Army's standard issue sniper rifle is 24 inches. The Marine M40A3 is 26inches. Both are the standard issue with the two services that field the "most" snipers. So there was nothing ignorant about my statement. If I had said ALL, then yes, but I said most. And that is correct. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:16:15 PM EDT
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BurtSaun1049, you misread my post... I never said that optics have nothing to do with the shooter... I said they have nothing to do with shooting as far as the gun goes... it will not shoot differently... its like you said taking shooter error out of it and helping see the target... and your iron vs. optics sight shoot of is apples to oranges...
Sure you can shoot a snub nose revolver out to 400yds and I bet you it will get there.... but it won't get their accurately... sure on a calm cool day... but add in some wind and you are all over the page.... I am saying that barrel length has everything to do with accuracy... the faster the bullet flies... the flatter the trajectory, the smoother it flies, the farther it flies before it drops below the supersonic threshold, the less it is affected by the wind... so yes... velocity is one of the key elements in accuracy. Do you not agree? Sure... 24in vs. 10in will make a huge difference... 16in vs. 20.. .not so much but your post is saying that barrel lenght has nothing to do with accuracy and that is false... whether it has very little velocity change or not is not the point... the point is it does have an affect... how big... that varies. And about the rifles.... All the ones you listed are not sniper rifle platforms... they are modified battle rifles designed to increase their distance but be operated by trained soliders... not guys who are designated snipers.... like stated the army/marine designated sniper rifle platform both have long barrels.... (except for the new one that army wants to adapt that has the X40 action and an 18" barrel) Alright I'm done hijacking this guys thread. Mike. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:23:17 PM EDT
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Furthermore, your statement Theres a reason most U.S. military sniper rifles are at least 24inches long. is just plain ignorant. Have you heard of a Mk 12 (18")? What about a Mk 11(20")? Or perhaps the M21 (22")? These are all "U.S. Military Sniper Rifles".
I've been wrong before, but I do not believe this is one of those instances. None of those listed are standard issue sniper rifles and if you had read my post I said "most"...not all. The M-24 which is the Army's standard issue sniper rifle is 24 inches. The Marine M40A3 is 26inches. Both are the standard issue with the two services that field the "most" snipers. So there was nothing ignorant about my statement. If I had said ALL, then yes, but I said most. And that is correct. Well then perhaps next time you'll revise your statement to say "Standard issue, U.S. military, bolt action, sniper rifles". |
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