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Posted: 6/2/2015 9:10:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/22/2017 1:53:41 PM EDT by bfoosh06]
First off, be advised, these are velocities from my rifles... and as such there is an excellent chance that "Your Mileage May Vary".

In other words, these figures are meant for a general comparison of various OEM factory loads ( as well as some different years of production )  from the 2 same rifles throughout the testing.

Currently there is over 100+ different factory loads velocities listed.

As a double-check... I have been firing the same batch of GECO OEM loads as a "standard" to verify the chrono is up to snuff.

I will note, while some of my velocities shown may not match other results from the vast internet.... please remember that no two rifle barrels are the same. For all I know, my barrel might be a "fast" or "slow" barrel... as well as some of the other testers on the internets barrels.

This link helps explain / demonstrate, or show the dramatic differences possible in the "no two barrels are identical" phenomenon. The article is about reloading, but shows how different barrels can be, even in identical barrel length and manufacturer.

Why Ballisticians Get Gray... by Dave Andrews


Enough YMMV stuff...

Here is the info.


I will list rifle specs first....

16" BCM upper with V7 barrel ,quote.."Manufactured from Rockwell C 30-32 Hardened 416R Stainless Steel. These barrels feature 1:7 improved Polygonal Rifling, V7 Match Chamber, while being V7 Ultra-Match Lapped." ( cut n' paste... easier then me explaining ) Free Floated, BCM Gunfighter MOD 0 Comp, H2 Buffer , FA BCG.

20" PSA 5.56 NATO chamber, 410 SS, CHF, USGI A2 Free floated, FA BCG


2ea 10 shot groups... for a total of 20 rds. per rifle.... Chronograph...Competition Electronics ProChrono Digital Chronograph .... Velocities measured 15 ft from muzzle...Temp. 82-88 degrees... Elev. approx. 232 ft.

The Chrono is not the best, but has proven to show repeatable results from the same lot of GECO and Fed. Tipped Varmint, over the span of months, every time


As I add ammo.... you will see items with no data, that is because I haven't gotten time to input the data.... life really gets in the way of my shooting....
Link Posted: 6/2/2015 9:13:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/22/2017 11:35:14 AM EDT by bfoosh06]
54gr and below....

Brand and headstamp on brass..............................16 " Velocities ( FPS )........20" Velocities ( FPS ).........Comments......,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NC means NATO CROSS


Hornady 35gr NTX Sup..............................................A v. 3585 , ES 19...............Av.3622, ES 39............

Fiocchi 223 40gr V-Max............GFL 223 REM..........Av. 3254, ES 81................Av. 3370, ES 61...............Decent accuracy 1.75 MOA...Fed Tipped Varmint much better

Fed. Red Box 40gr JHP.............FED 223 REM........Av. 3350, ES 30.................Av. 3382, ES 38...............Ok accuracy... some of the first ammo I bought... 30+ years ago NOTE This is the really old Red and White box.

Fed .223 42gr Frangible.......................BC223NTS..........................
Fed. 45gr RHT...............................................................................

Winc. 45gr JHP .223 .......Winchester 223 Rem........Av. 3059... ES 57..............Av 3180 ...ES 130............ehhhh...


Fed. AE 50gr JHP.....................FC 14 223 REM.......Av. 2959, ES 69.................Av. 3134, ES 109.............. Same type crimp, sealant & Headstamp as the GMM,... Same Brass?

Fed., AE 50gr Tipped Varmint...FC 223 REM............Av. 2943 , ES 48...............Av. 2982 , ES 34................Great accuracy in all my AR's

Rem. 50gr JHP.223 .................R-P 223 REM............Av. 3034... ES 56...............Av 3200....ES 54............... Very good accuracy

Sako 50gr FMJ 223.................SAKO 223 Rem..........Av 3207... ES 19................Av. 3338... ES 92............. Average accuracy

Winc. 50gr Frangible.......................................................................


Barnes 52gr OTM 5.56.......................................................................

Black Hills .223 52gr ...............................................Av. 2915... ES 38...............Av. 3051... ES 54...............Blue Box, consistent, good accuracy.


Horn. 53gr VMax Super.223 ... Hornady 223 REM.....Av. 3093...ES 36...............Av 3240....ES 54 .............. Good accuracy, but double the price of better , 250fps slower ammo.
Link Posted: 6/2/2015 9:13:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2018 4:59:03 PM EDT by bfoosh06]
55gr ONLY

Brand and headstamp on brass..............................16 " Velocities ( FPS )........20" Velocities ( FPS ).........Comments......,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NC means NATO CROSS

Ratty, Nasty 55gr 1983 Guat... IMG 5.56 83............Av. 3013 , ES 75...............Av. 3182, ES 54.......................... "Don't judge a Ammo Case by its looks"...GTG Lol

ADI / Outback .223 55gr Blitz King........................ Av. 2805, ES  57..................Av. 2933, ES 52........................pretty good accuracy !

Aguila .223 55gr FMJ...............AGUILA 223 REM...Av. 2795 , ES 64................Av. 2941 , ES 173...............

Armscor 5.56 55gr FMJ "M193"..........................................................
Armscor .223 55gr FMJ..........A USA 223 REM.... Av. 2966 , ES 195..............Av. 3054 , ES 77...............
Armscor  .223 55gr V-Max..............................................................
Armscor .223 55gr SP......................................................................

Brown Bear .223 55gr HP................................................................
Brown Bear .223 55gr FMJ...............................................................

Fed. AE 223 55gr .....................FC 06......................Av. 2845, ES 25...............Av. 3068, ES 14............................Prefect example of Low ES / SD doesn't mean accurate.
Fed. AE 55gr ( Small Letter )....FC 223 REM...........Av. 3115, ES 58...............Av. 3299, ES 64............................The original Infamous crappy Fed. Brass
Fed. AE 55gr ( Large Letter )....FC 223 REM...........Av. 3051, ES 54...............Av. 3278, ES 114...........................This is from the same boxes as above
BTW... that last ammo was loaded in H22 Thermold that has been unloaded once and then reloaded once for over 20 + years ... the mags spring strength was fine.
Fed. AE 223J.............................FC 223 REM..........Av. 2889, ES 68................Av. 2982, ES 94..............................Current production
Fed. 55gr XM193.......................LC 09 NC................Av. 3115, ES 80...............Av. 3168 , ES 32............................Typical Milspec 2-3 MOA
Fed. 55gr M193.........................LC 14 NC................Av. 3088, ES 38................Av. 3220, ES 74............................Supposedly the real thing,not XM, much better than XM accuracy
Fed. 55gr XM193F.....................LC 08......................Av. 3071, ES 42................Av. 3214, ES 59...........................White box.... crimped
Fed. 55gr XM193AF..................LC 14 NC................Av. 3072, ES 49................Av. 3236, ES 54............................Factory stripper clipped
Fed. 55gr XM193.......................LC 08 NC................Av. 3106, ES 27................Av.3232, ES 40.............................'08 Brown Box
Fed. 55gr XM193.......................LC 14 NC................Av. ..........................................................................................'14 Current Brown Box
Fed. AE 55gr XM193C................LC 08 NC................Av.3092, ES 47.................Av. 3206, ES 64............................Black Box
Fed. 55gr .223 SP TRU..............................................Av. 2761, ES 48................Av. 2896, ES 38.............................T223A

Fiocchi .223 55gr PSP ............G.F.L. 223 REM.........Av. 2757 , ES 32.................Av. 2781 , ES 58...............
Fiocchi .223 55gr PSP.................................................Av. 2818, ES 78..................Av. 2869, ES 69........................RETESTING, velocity concerns, different lot....
Fiocchi .223 55gr FMJ............................................... Av. 2767, ES 84..................Av. 2854, ES 80.........................Green Boxed Made in USA
Fiocchi .223 55gr FMJ...............................................Av. 2908, ES 64....................Av. 3069, ES 67........................Red Boxed Made in Italy, more accurate then USA made by 3/8"

GECO .223 55gr FMJ.............GECO 223 REM..........Av. 2967 , ES 45...............Av. 3128 , ES 22..........................Quite accurate, and still the "cheap" accuracy king.
Black Hills / GECO 55gr FMJ .223............................Av 2863, ES 31.................Av. 3000, ES 20...........................Loaded by RUAG / GECO to Black Hills Specs.
GECO 5.56 55gr FMJ......................................................................

Golden Tiger .223 55gr FMJ.............................................................

Gorilla .223 55gr BK......................................................................

HotShot 55gr FMJ.........................................................................

Horn. 55gr Sup. 5.56 GMX..HORNADY 5.56 NATO...Av. 3130, ES 44...............Av. 3201, ES 55..........................EXTREMELY FAST for a solid copper bullet
Horn. 55gr .223  SP...............HORNADY 223 REM......Av. 2930, ES 41...............Av. 3115, ES 49..........................."B" accuracy
Horn. .223 55gr HP Amer. Gun. ........................................................
Horn. 55gr .223 V-Max......................................................................

IMI M193..................................TZZ 89........................Av. 2997, ES 74................Av. 3194, ES 24...........................IMI from '89
IMI 55gr FMJ 5.56.. .................IMI 14 2 digits.............Av 3158.....ES 69...............Av 3180....ES 38 ........................'14 IMI .. remember 16" is a tight match chamber

Independence 55gr (XM193I).. FC 2,1, 13.................Av. 3195, ES 50.................Av. 3343, ES 94..........................Same type of headstamp as IMI 77gr , 4 MOA

Lapua .223 55gr FMJ ......LAPUA MATCH 223 Rem...Av. 2739 , ES 60...............Av. 2901 , ES 44.......................... I had hoped for better accuracy.

MEN 5.56 56gr FMJ............................................................................

MFS .223 55gr FMJ.............................................................................

Norma .223 55gr  FMJ TAC........................................ Av. 3011, ES 51.................Av. 3140, ES 62..........................I swear this is GECO, in a Norma headstamped GECO case.
Norma .223 55gr FMJ, 20ct box...........................................................

Perfecta .223 55gr.............PERFECTA .223 REM.......Av. 2862 , ES 44................Av. 3007 , ES 95...............

PMC .223 55gr SP.............................................................................
PMC 55gr Bronze....................PMC 223 REM............Av. 2626 , ES 82...............Av. 2754 , ES 97........................ Just awful accuracy
PMC XTAC 55gr......................PSD 14........................Av. 2994, ES 33................Av. 3180, ES 72..........................Clearly crimped and sealed. Outstanding accuracy

PPU 55gr.................................PPU 14 5.56X45..........Av. 3061, ES 37................Av. 3240, ES 28...........................Crimped , sealed, PPU Is a excellent value.
PPU .223 55gr FMJ......................................................Av. 2938, ES 48................Av. 3079, ES 47...........................Blue Boxed commercial
PPU .223 55gr SP........................................................Av. 2862, ES 66................Av. 3064, ES 47............................Blue Boxed commercial
PPU 5.56 55gr FMJ M193.....................................................................

Rem. 55gr MC..........................R P 223 REM..............Av. 2910, ES 100..............Av. 3059, ES 77.......................... Reasonable value / accuracy for .223

Silver Bear 55gr FMJ............................................................................

South Afr. / PMP 5.56 55gr FMJ............................................................

Speer 55gr Gold Dot............................................................................

SSA 5.56 55gr TSX.....................SSA 5.56 ................Av. 2716, ES 28..................Av. 2780, ES 72.............

Tula .223 55gr FMJ......................................................Av. 2903, ES 27................Av. 3049, ES 49..........................Smells like ammonia
Tula .223 55gr HP........................................................Av. 2948, ES 91...............Av. 3058, ES 70............................Ditto

Winc. 55gr Q3131A.................W.C.C 03 .....................Av. 3105, ES 30................Av. 3234, ES 100........................Winchester IMI.. even says "Made In Israel"
Winc. 55gr Q3131...................WCC 04 NC..................Av. 3162, ES 98.................Av. 3282, ES 101........................Winc. from '04
Winc. 55gr Q3131...................WCC 12 NC...................Av. 3095, ES 59................Av. 3296, ES 40..........................Current
Winc. 55gr Q3131...................WCC 94.........................Av. 3268, ES 80................Av. 3333, ES 50..........................dismal 100yd accuracy... 4-5 MOA

Wolf 55gr Poly .223..................Wolf 223.......................Av. 2830, ES 40................Av. 2954,ES 109..........................Worst accuracy of ALL... truly laughable.
Wolf Gold 55gr .223.............223 REM WOLF...............Av. 2951 , ES 105.............Av. 3102 , ES 50...........................
Wolf 55gr FMJ, Mil. Classic....................................................................
Link Posted: 6/2/2015 9:13:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/28/2017 8:42:18 AM EDT by bfoosh06]
60-69gr

Brand and headstamp on brass..............................16 " Velocities ( FPS )........20" Velocities ( FPS ).........Comments......,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NC means NATO CROSS


Noveske 60gr 5.56 BGT....................................................Av. 2619, ES 42...........................Av. 2778, ES 71.............I was hoping for more speed.



AMA 62gr M855...............NATO AMA 12..........................Av. 2889 , ES 31.........................Av. 3005 , ES 42............ Good accuracy for M855

Armscor 62gr .223 Bonded SP...................................................................

ADI 62gr 5.56 FMJST ...............ADI 12.............................Av. 2940 , ES 65.........................Av. 3112 , ES 43...............

Brown Bear 62gr SP..................................................................................

Colt / Barnul 62gr FMJ.......................................................Av. 2753, ES 75..........................Av. 2892, ES 50..............
Colt / Double Tap 62gr NM.........................................................................

Carl Gustav..62gr .............NATO 12-CG-10.......................Av. 2944 , ES 30..........................Av. 3044 , ES 56.......... Still not sure what to think of this ammo.
This is the Swed. "Green Bullet" Very long for its weight.

Fed. 62gr XM855............ NATO LC 13...........................Av. 2967 , ES 73.........................Av. 3040 , ES 82........... Typical Milspec 2-3 MOA
Fed. 62gr MSR Fusion .223.....FC 13 223 REM...............Av 2828 ...ES 54.........................Av 2918...ES 34............ Short stroked twice.
Fed. 62 FMJ .223 Lead Core....FC 13 223 REM..............Av. 2739, ES 73..........................Av. 2761, ES 34
Fed 62gr Fusion .223 .............................................................................

Fiocchi .223 62gr FMJ......................................................Av. 2757, ES 57...........................Av. 2898, ES 62............Good accuracy

FNB 62gr SS109....................................................................................
FNM 62gr SS109..............FNM 91-1 NC..........................Av. 3009, ES 34..........................Av. 3118, ES 44.............Gawd, I miss cheap surplus

GGG 62gr M855...............NATO, 5.56 13 GGG...............Av. 2930 , ES 62.........................Av. 3028 , ES 66.......... Ok, I expected better accuracy.

Golden Bear .223 62gr HP........................................................................

Hansen / PPU 62gr ..........IK .223R..................................Av. 3004, ES 67..........................Av. 3153, ES 68............

Hirtenberg 62gr SS109....HP .223 5.56............................Av. 2965, ES 71.......................... Av. 3000, ES 68 ...........

Hornady 62gr , 5.56, "Black"................................................................
Hornady 62gr .223 "Black"...................................................................

Hotshot 62gr....................SADU 13 5.56...........................Av. 2919, ES 83..........................Av. 3057, ES 70

IMI 62gr M855.................TZZ 89......................................Av. 3008, ES 44 ..........................Av. 3192, ES 23.............Very accurate for M855.
IMI 62gr FMJ 5.56............IMI 13 2 digits.......................... Av 2964.....ES 60..........................Av 3077....ES 32 ...........VERY accurate for 62gr M855 M855
IMI 62gr M855.......................................................................................

Magtech 62gr FMJ 5.56...........................................................................
Magtech 62gr FMJ...................................................................................

PMC XTAC 62gr...............PSD 14...................................Av. 2885, ES 38...........................Av. 3051, ES 48...............Both XTAC rounds have changed my opinion of PMC "A"

PPU 62gr M855, Yellow Box...................................................................
PPU 62gr M855, White Box....................................................................
PPU 62gr .223 Non-Mag........................................................................

Rem. 62gr TSX Hog Hammer.........................................Av. 2772, ES 86...........................Av. 2866, ES 54.......
Rem. UMC 62gr FMJ..............................................................................
Rem. 62gr CTFB....................................................................................

Tula .223 62gr FMJ......................................................... Av.
Tula .223 62gr HP............................................................Av. 2776, ES 77...........................Av. 2853, ES 60..............One FTF 16" Middie

Silver Bear .223 62gr SP..................................................Av. 2754, ES 50..........................Av. 2869, ES 68..............One FTF 16" Middie
Silver Bear .223 62gr HP.........................................................................

Winc. 62gr M855 ............WCC 88....................................Av. 2944, ES 76..........................Av. 3058, ES 56.............
Winc. 62gr M855 Penetrator.............................................Av. 2904, ES 111........................Av. 3083, ES 71...............Current Production, 3 in one hole, 4 in another from the 20"
Winc. 62gr OTM "Purple Cased ".................................................................
Winc. 62gr OTM ........................................................................................



Tracer Fed. AE 64gr 5.56................Couldn't fire at the local range.

Beck Ammo 64gr 5.56 BSB ..............................................Av. 2861, ES 38........................Av. 2943, ES 58.......

Fed. .223 64gr LE SP...............................................................................
Fed. .223 64gr TRU..................................................................................

Nosler 64gr BSB .223 .....NOSLER 223 REM..................Av. 2511, ES 58...........................Av. 2560, ES 44.............Not super fast, "A" grade for accuracy.

Speer 64gr GD .223...............................................................................

SSA 64gr BSB 5.56........SSA 5.56...................................Av.2572, ES 109..........................Av. 2570, ES 68............. Had to drop the hammer twice on one round in the 20".....

Winc. 64gr BSB 5.56......WCC 13 5.56MM........................Av 2883... ES 62.........................Av 2978....ES 25............ Very good accuracy and speed
Winc. 64gr PP .223...................................................................................

AYSM 68gr .223 OTM ......................................................Av. 2723 , ES 23...........................Av. 2838 , ES 25...............

Black Hills 68gr .223 OTM ........F C 223 REM..................Av. 2567 , ES 50...........................Av. 2656 , ES 72...............

Creedmoor 68gr .223..............................................................................

Ultramax 68gr..................SPLIT NECKS ON ALL except for the ONE FULL NECK SEPARATION.............................Granted this is 15 years old ammo and maybe they are better now ?

Aus. Outback 69gr.223 SMK.....223 REM ADI..................Av. 2553 , ES 84...........................Av. 2695 , ES 81...............

Black Hills 69gr .223 SMK ........F C 223 REM...................Av. 2467 , ES 41...........................Av. 2522 , ES 92...............

Creedmoor 69gr SMK .223 .....................................................................
Creedmoor 69gr TMK .223......................................................................

Eagle Eye 69gr .223 SMK .....EAGLE EYE 223 REM.......Av, 2784 , ES 72...........................Av. 2839 , ES 49...............

Fed. 69gr GMM................FC 13 223 REM.......................Av. 2585, ES 30............................Av. 2780, ES 32............. Outstanding Accuracy.. "A+"

Fiocchi 69gr .223 SMK .............G.F.L. 223 REM..............Av. 2757 , ES 32...........................Av. 2801 , ES 58...............

Gorilla 69gr .223 SMK.............................................................................

IMI 69gr 5.56 SMK.................................................................................

Nosler .223 69gr CC..........................................................Av. 2498, ES 69............................Av. 2588, ES 34..................

PPU 69gr 223...................PPU 223 REM.........................Av. 2564, ES 34.............................Av. 2685, ES 80.............."B+" Accuracy
Link Posted: 6/2/2015 9:14:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/31/2017 4:47:47 PM EDT by bfoosh06]
70gr through 77gr


Brand and headstamp on brass................................................16 " Velocities ( FPS )........20" Velocities ( FPS ).........Comments......,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NC means NATO CROSS

SSA 5.56 70gr TSX..................................................................Av. 2508, ES 76....................Av. 2610, ES 11...............

Hornady 73gr ELD .223 ....................................................................................

ASYM 75gr .223...........................LC 14 NC..............................Av. 2605, ES 52.................Av. 2752, ES 40............"A+" Accuracy

Black Hills 75gr .223 OTM .........F C 223 REM..........................Av. 2419 , ES 84.................Av. 2579 , ES 45..............

Creedmoor 75gr BTHP .223.............................................................................

Hornady. 75gr Match....................HORNADY 223 REM...........Av. 2510 , ES 50................Av. 2640 , ES 60...........Interesting that this is faster both Nosler and Norma as well as more accurate
Hornady Super. 223 Match 75....HORNADY 223 REM............Av. 2701 , ES 41................Av. 2790 , ES 54.......... Exact same headstamp as the standard 75gr match good accuracy
Hornady Super. 5.56 75... ...........Hornady 5.56 NATO.............Av. 2785 , ES 31...............Av. 2840 , ES 42............Best accuracy in both rifles....
Hornady 75gr 5.56 "Black".................................................................................
Hornady 75gr 5.56 T2 Tap.................................................................................
Hornady 75gr 5.56 SBR TAP...............................................................................
Hornady 75gr 5.56 SBR TAP "Training"................................................................
Hornady 75gr "Steel Match" .223...........................................................................

HPR .223 75gr.............................LC 13 NC..............................Av. 2414, ES 87.................Av. 2528, ES 112...........Slow but great accuracy

HSM 75gr 5.56 ... .......................HSM 06 NATO 5.56..............Av. 2648 , ES 31.................Av. 2801 , ES 24.......... Excellent accuracy... out to 300 yards.( As far as got )
75gr HSM 5.56 Tactical OTM ....LC 06 ( NATO Cross )............Av. 2795 , ES 49................Av. 2863 , ES 37............Excellent accuracy

PPU 75gr .223.............................PPU 223 REM......................Av. 2461, ES 69...................Av. 2590, ES 109............Dismal accuracy... as a matter of fact 4MOA at 100yds.

Speer 75gr .223 GD......................................................................................

SSA 5.56 77gr.............................5.56 SSA..............................Av. 2442, ES 25....................Av. 2567, ES 60............."B+" accuracy
SSA 5.56 70gr TSX..................................................................Av. 2508, ES 76....................Av. 2610, ES 11...............
SSA 5.56 77gr OTM Mk262 Clone...........................................Av. 2395, ES 74.....................Av. 2488, ES 33.............

Tula 75gr .223..............................................................................................

Wolf Gold .223 75gr HP.................................................................................



Atlanta Arms 77gr TMK , AMU.....................................................................

Beck Ammo. 5.56 77gr SMK ...............................................Av. 2469, ES 34.....................Av. 2734, ES 8...........

Black Hills 77gr 5.56 OTM .........LC 14 ( NATO Cross )............Av. 2592 , ES 21................Av. 2675 , ES 82..............Very accurate
Black Hills 77gr 5.56 TMK .........WCC 14 ( NATO Cross )...........Av. 2636 , ES 54................Av. 2753 , ES 63..............Outstanding Accuracy.

CBC 77gr 5.56.............................5.56 CBC 14..........................Av. 2577, ES 60..................Av. 2752, ES 75
CBC 77gr 5.56 PR 844 SMK ......5.56 CBC 12..........................Av. 2620 , ES 36.................Av. 2729 , ES 34...........These last two are labeled with different powders.
CBC 77gr 5.56 WC732 SMK ......5.56 CBC 14..........................Av. 2640 , ES 52.................Av. 2712 , ES 50............

Creedmoor .223 77gr TMK.............................................................................
Creedmoor .223 77gr OTM.............................................................................

Corbon 77gr .223 MPR..................................................................................

Federal 77gr 5.56 "FC262".................................................................................
FGMM 77gr .223 SMK FGMM....F C 223 REM..........................Av. 2340 , ES 25................Av. 2411 , ES 33.............. Very good accuracy

Fiocchi 77gr .223 SMK ..............G.F.L. 223 REM......................Av. 2390 , ES 96................Av. 2488 , ES 53............. about average accuracy for 77gr

IMI 77gr 5.56 OTM..................IMI 13 variety of 2 digits.........Av. 2726 , ES 39..................Av. 2810 , ES 41........... Not the most accurate, but certainly a good value.

Norma 77gr .223 TAC ...............norma 223 REM....................Av. 2430 , ES 75...................Av. 2550 , ES 68...........Average 77gr accuracy

Nosler 77gr.223  CC...................NOSLER 223 REM................Av. 2440 , ES 28...................Av. 2569 , ES 36.......... I need more trigger time with this ammo

PMC XTAC 77gr .223 SMK .......PMC 223 REM........................Av. 2350 , ES 62................Av. 2427 , ES 31...............

Rem. 77gr .223 SMK .................R-P 223 REM..........................Av. 2468 , ES 73.................Av. 2563 , ES 39.............

Sig Sauer 77gr SMK .223..................................................................................

Winc. 77gr 5.56.........................WCC 14 5.56MM....................Av 2566... ES 36..................Av 2676.... ES 20.............Decent speed, but there is faster.
Winc. 77gr Match 5.56 _ _ _ .... WCC 14 5.56 MM...................Av. 2364 , ES 47................Av. 2468 , ES 54..............For a 5.56 round, this is very low velocity.
Link Posted: 6/2/2015 9:14:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/2/2015 9:31:51 PM EDT by bfoosh06]
80gr - 85gr

Brand and headstamp on brass......................................16 " Velocities ( FPS ).......      .20" Velocities ( FPS ).........Comments......,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NC means NATO CROSS

80gr Fed. GMM ................................................................................................................................................... FOR LONG THROATED BARRELS ONLY..oal longer then mag

85gr Barnes OTM.5.56...............BBR 5.56 13.....................Av. 2482, ES 32......................Av. 2565, ES 48 ..........Great accuracy, I was concerned that 1n7 might not be enough.
Link Posted: 6/2/2015 9:45:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/2/2015 10:27:41 PM EDT by bfoosh06]
I will add more data as I can....

Please if you have a specific load that you would like to see tested, just ask... if available I will be happy to test it...

I have more data to add, please allow a little time to post it.


mcantu....Still haven't found any CBC 62gr around..Lol

Blain.... I am going to order more Fiocchi 55gr PSP when I see it, I am still curious if I had a slow batch.... BTW, I have seen "somewhere" that the PSP is a Hornady SP, have you ever read that ?

Link Posted: 6/2/2015 9:54:01 PM EDT
So much great information, thank you!
Link Posted: 6/3/2015 12:47:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/3/2015 12:50:38 AM EDT by leatherface_y2k]
Thank you for posting this!

I'm surprised at the Fiocchi 40 gr V-Max velocities. They advertise 3600 fps and it certainly seems "hot" through both my 16" and 20" barrels.

Also surprised at the small spread with LC XM193  between barrel lengths.

Good info.  

eta.. Also thanks for confirming how underpowered the PMC Bronze 55 gr is loaded.
Link Posted: 6/3/2015 1:04:54 AM EDT
Thanks for bringing this back to life, great thread!



I would love to see the data on the SSA 70g TSX.
Link Posted: 6/3/2015 1:19:47 AM EDT
i told you that thats because i bought all the CBC 62gr



how did you find the accuracy of the Australian Outback 69gr SMK?  i shot some today and its the most accurate load i've ever found for my 20" Steyr AUG.  a 20 round group had a mean radius of 0.54"!
Link Posted: 6/3/2015 9:07:22 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mcantu:
i told you that thats because i bought all the CBC 62gr

how did you find the accuracy of the Australian Outback 69gr SMK?  i shot some today and its the most accurate load i've ever found for my 20" Steyr AUG.  a 20 round group had a mean radius of 0.54"!
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I had good results with the Outback 69gr at 100yds, frankly the 69gr SMK is a great bullet and it shows every time I shoot it.... I am hoping for even better results with the 55gr Blitz load.

I will have results for the Nosler 69gr coming up.

On a side note... the 168gr SMK .308 was, IMHO, loaded to hot for use in a M1A.
Link Posted: 6/3/2015 9:08:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By LS1POWERED:
Thanks for bringing this back to life, great thread!

I would love to see the data on the SSA 70g TSX.
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I will order some up.
Link Posted: 6/3/2015 9:29:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By LS1POWERED:
Thanks for bringing this back to life, great thread!

I would love to see the data on the SSA 70g TSX.
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I can give you this data.

These numbers are based off 5 shot averages of 3 different versions of the SSA 70 TSX based om when they were made. 14.5" BCM Barrel. 16" barrel was used on the 2015 version.

Old 70gr TSX (before Nosler buyout) 14.5" Barrel

2705 fps

2014 70gr TSX (After Nosler buyout) Purchased in November of 2014. 14.5" Barrel

2620 fps

2015 70gr TSX (These were bought this February). 16" Barrel. I am not the only one who received these as others have reported the same terrible numbers.

2444 fps
Link Posted: 6/10/2015 8:02:57 PM EDT
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Added some ammo to the list. I will try to add the rest of the data as time permits.

Had a close friend pass away so... bear with me.

Thanks guys.


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Originally Posted By RazorTXN:






I can give you this data.

These numbers are based off 5 shot averages of 3 different versions of the SSA 70 TSX based om when they were made. 14.5" BCM Barrel. 16" barrel was used on the 2015 version.

Old 70gr TSX (before Nosler buyout) 14.5" Barrel

2705 fps

2014 70gr TSX (After Nosler buyout) Purchased in November of 2014. 14.5" Barrel

2620 fps

2015 70gr TSX (These were bought this February). 16" Barrel. I am not the only one who received these as others have reported the same terrible numbers.

2444 fps
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Originally Posted By RazorTXN:
Originally Posted By LS1POWERED:
Thanks for bringing this back to life, great thread!

I would love to see the data on the SSA 70g TSX.






I can give you this data.

These numbers are based off 5 shot averages of 3 different versions of the SSA 70 TSX based om when they were made. 14.5" BCM Barrel. 16" barrel was used on the 2015 version.

Old 70gr TSX (before Nosler buyout) 14.5" Barrel

2705 fps

2014 70gr TSX (After Nosler buyout) Purchased in November of 2014. 14.5" Barrel

2620 fps

2015 70gr TSX (These were bought this February). 16" Barrel. I am not the only one who received these as others have reported the same terrible numbers.

2444 fps



Thanks for the info... I have some on the way from Nosler, so it will be interesting to see my results compared to yours.
Link Posted: 6/12/2015 12:33:36 PM EDT
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Great info. I LOL'd at the 55 grain nasty Guatemalan ammo comment. I bought some of that back when it was everywhere, 2003 or so? I still have a can full of it.

I noticed the SSA 5.56 64 grain BSB ammo was really slow. I just ordered 240 rounds of it and I was hoping it had more zip than that. Sure doesn't look like it's loaded to 5.56mm pressure.
Link Posted: 6/14/2015 9:42:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SPTiger:
Great info. I LOL'd at the 55 grain nasty Guatemalan ammo comment. I bought some of that back when it was everywhere, 2003 or so? I still have a can full of it.

I noticed the SSA 5.56 64 grain BSB ammo was really slow. I just ordered 240 rounds of it and I was hoping it had more zip than that. Sure doesn't look like it's loaded to 5.56mm pressure.
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It is with great regret, that I must say that, in my rifles, most all of the Nosler and SSA OEM ammo ( SSA is Owned by Nosler ) fall well short of their published velocities.

But... the bullets are fantastic, so the 64gr BSB doesn't need a ton of velocity to still work well.


Link Posted: 6/14/2015 9:46:04 PM EDT
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Added data for a variety of inexpensive steel cased, as well as SSA 70gr, 55gr TSX,  Noveske 60gr BGT,  Barnes 52gr,  ADI 55gr Blitz,  Rem. Hog Hammer,  Norma TAC / GECO.... again ! ,

Fed Fran. will be in the next group...I will show the complete list later.... as it is getting late"

I will note... the steel cased ammo had decent speed... but sometimes not enough "gas" to function 100%
Link Posted: 6/15/2015 8:27:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bfoosh06:


It is with great regret, that I must say that, in my rifles, most all of the Nosler and SSA OEM ammo ( SSA is Owned by Nosler ) fall well short of their published velocities.

But... the bullets are fantastic, so the 64gr BSB doesn't need a ton of velocity to still work well.


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Originally Posted By SPTiger:
Great info. I LOL'd at the 55 grain nasty Guatemalan ammo comment. I bought some of that back when it was everywhere, 2003 or so? I still have a can full of it.

I noticed the SSA 5.56 64 grain BSB ammo was really slow. I just ordered 240 rounds of it and I was hoping it had more zip than that. Sure doesn't look like it's loaded to 5.56mm pressure.


It is with great regret, that I must say that, in my rifles, most all of the Nosler and SSA OEM ammo ( SSA is Owned by Nosler ) fall well short of their published velocities.

But... the bullets are fantastic, so the 64gr BSB doesn't need a ton of velocity to still work well.




I hate to hear that. The thing is, I bought several hundred of those 64 grain bullets from SPS probably two years ago, and I've only reloaded a handful of them. I was hoping the SSA load would be a good round to keep for a defensive load, but that doesn't seem to be the case. When I get the time to do it I can work up a handload that performs better than the SSA factory round.

ETA- That's some great info you've taken the time to post!
Link Posted: 6/15/2015 9:10:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SPTiger:


I hate to hear that. The thing is, I bought several hundred of those 64 grain bullets from SPS probably two years ago, and I've only reloaded a handful of them. I was hoping the SSA load would be a good round to keep for a defensive load, but that doesn't seem to be the case. When I get the time to do it I can work up a handload that performs better than the SSA factory round.

ETA- That's some great info you've taken the time to post!
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Originally Posted By bfoosh06:
Originally Posted By SPTiger:
Great info. I LOL'd at the 55 grain nasty Guatemalan ammo comment. I bought some of that back when it was everywhere, 2003 or so? I still have a can full of it.

I noticed the SSA 5.56 64 grain BSB ammo was really slow. I just ordered 240 rounds of it and I was hoping it had more zip than that. Sure doesn't look like it's loaded to 5.56mm pressure.


It is with great regret, that I must say that, in my rifles, most all of the Nosler and SSA OEM ammo ( SSA is Owned by Nosler ) fall well short of their published velocities.

But... the bullets are fantastic, so the 64gr BSB doesn't need a ton of velocity to still work well.




I hate to hear that. The thing is, I bought several hundred of those 64 grain bullets from SPS probably two years ago, and I've only reloaded a handful of them. I was hoping the SSA load would be a good round to keep for a defensive load, but that doesn't seem to be the case. When I get the time to do it I can work up a handload that performs better than the SSA factory round.

ETA- That's some great info you've taken the time to post!



Please bear in mind that your ammo will still work as designed, just not as well at the absolute MAX. distance where the extra 250fps would help, IMHO you are only losing about 20yds max'ish.... and you are still most certainly far better off with that ammo then numerous other SD rounds.

The BSB bullet is not designed for max distance anyway.... its BC kills its speed quickly.

So don't feel undergunned at all.

Updated.... I just ran it on a Ballistic Calculator.... and the SSA / Nosler load at 2570fps .... you should be GTG out to approx. 300 yards, that being the max. distance that the bullet needs ( 1600fps ) needed for the bullet to work expand.

The Beck Ammo Winc. ( expensive ) load is GTG out to approx. 350ish yards from a 16" ( at 2860fps ).... and 375 yards at 2940fps from a 20" barrel.

Soooooo, IMHO.... you are not undergunned at all. Most people do not use a Blind Barrier bullet out at 300+ yards.
Link Posted: 6/17/2015 12:06:18 AM EDT
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The FGMM 77 grain has shockingly low velocity out of 16". 2350  fps?!
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Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
The FGMM 77 grain has shockingly low velocity out of 16". 2350  fps?!
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Sadly a lot of 77gr loads have surprising low velocities. SSA's is even  marketed as a Mk262 clone....
Link Posted: 7/24/2015 1:45:00 PM EDT
Bump because I used this to check the velocity of some new ammo today.

Great thread, THANKS!
Link Posted: 9/16/2015 4:30:27 AM EDT
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Man, thank you so much for sharing this data! I've been curious about a number of .223/5.56 loads, and, you had every one of them listed. OUTSTANDING!
Link Posted: 9/17/2015 1:50:55 PM EDT
Just found this, what a great thread.
I knew I liked PMC XTAC 55gr for a reason.  In addition to its accuracy, it is super clean ammo, which counts for a lot in short rifles IMO.
Link Posted: 9/17/2015 5:28:42 PM EDT
OP,
Thanks for all of your efforts.  This had to take a lot of time to complete, but it has been an awesome resource.
Link Posted: 9/18/2015 9:22:09 AM EDT
Thanks Guys !

I still have more to test.... but I have been trying Molon's Quarter MOA for the last few months !

Various calibers is a challenge !!
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Link Posted: 4/22/2017 7:06:56 PM EDT
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Holy thread resurrection Batman!

Cool thread and great info.

Did some 75g Gold Dot last week and got an average of 2622fps out of my 16" nitrided barrel.

72* at sea level/Pro-chrono

Results from last week:

Wolf Gold --3150 average/22fps ES

Lake City XM193--3272 average/48fps ES

PMC Bronze 55g--2987 average/126fps ES It was all over the place.

I'm chronoing some 64g gold dots tomorrow and using both my 16" PSA nitride, and my 14.5" BCM CL.
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Originally Posted By swampvol:
Holy thread resurrection Batman!

Cool thread and great info.

Did some 75g Gold Dot last week and got an average of 2622fps out of my 16" nitrided barrel.

72* at sea level/Pro-chrono

Results from last week:

Wolf Gold --3150 average/22fps ES

Lake City XM193--3272 average/48fps ES

PMC Bronze 55g--2987 average/126fps ES It was all over the place.

I'm chronoing some 64g gold dots tomorrow and using both my 16" PSA nitride, and my 14.5" BCM CL.
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Interesting. Those all look high to me. .223 75g going 2622 out of a 16inch?

not saying you're making it up but I've never seen those numbers out of a 16inch.
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Originally Posted By ARShooter91:


Interesting. Those all look high to me. .223 75g going 2622 out of a 16inch?

not saying you're making it up but I've never seen those numbers out of a 16inch.
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I agree.

The pmc clocking in at nearly 3k is the one that really makes me wonder.

Just got this chrono, and haven't compared it with other chronos for accuracy, nor have I compared this barrel.

I'm using 124g hst's out of a g19 as a base which is consistently around 1150fps.

I'm starting to wonder if this chrono's accuracy drops with higher velocities, and am curious what numbers I get tomorrow.
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Originally Posted By swampvol:
Holy thread resurrection Batman!

Cool thread and great info.

Did some 75g Gold Dot last week and got an average of 2622fps out of my 16" nitrided barrel.

72* at sea level/Pro-chrono
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I would expect maybe 2500 fps from that load out of a 16" barrel. Something isnt adding up.
Link Posted: 4/23/2017 9:13:11 PM EDT
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Results from today.

80* with the sun going in and out of clouds.

16" PSA melonite barrel and 14.5" BCM CL barrel. 5 shots each.


PMC Xtac 5.56 62G Green Tip:
16"--2990fps/ES-60
14.5"--2856fps/ES-24

Fed. 5.56 62G XM855 Green Tip:
16"--3027fps/ES-62
14.5"--2941fps/ES-19

Wolf Gold .223 55G:
16"--3149fps/ES-45
14.5"--3037fps/ES-62

Gold Dot .223 64G:
16"--2785fps/ES-41
14.5"--2675fps/ES-37

Still seems a little high to me.
Test again with the HST's and they seem right on the money though.

Will test my 8" 300BLK and my 11.5" Draco next weekend.
Link Posted: 4/23/2017 10:30:12 PM EDT
The PMC sounds close to spec # out of a 14.5".
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Originally Posted By swampvol:
Results from today.

80* with the sun going in and out of clouds.

16" PSA melonite barrel and 14.5" BCM CL barrel. 5 shots each.


PMC Xtac 5.56 62G Green Tip:
16"--2990fps/ES-60
14.5"--2856fps/ES-24

Fed. 5.56 62G XM855 Green Tip:
16"--3027fps/ES-62
14.5"--2941fps/ES-19

Wolf Gold .223 55G:
16"--3149fps/ES-45
14.5"--3037fps/ES-62

Gold Dot .223 64G:
16"--2785fps/ES-41
14.5"--2675fps/ES-37

Still seems a little high to me.
Test again with the HST's and they seem right on the money though.

Will test my 8" 300BLK and my 11.5" Draco next weekend.
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The 62g/64g stuff looks to be right where it should. That WG velocity does seem a little high but not impossible by any means.
Link Posted: 4/25/2017 3:33:04 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/26/2017 11:50:38 AM EDT
Great work.  Thanks!

The CBC 77 grain Sierra MAtch King is well worth testing.  I shoot it at 1000 yards all the time.  Clocks 2870 fps from my 20 inch Wylde 1-8 barrel.  About 13 x 18 inch ES at 1000 for ten shots.  Sometimes less.  Alot depends on calling the windage.  Always under 1.5 inch MOA at closer range.
Link Posted: 4/26/2017 11:52:15 AM EDT
Great work.  Thanks!

The CBC 77 grain Sierra Match King is well worth testing.  I shoot it at 1000 yards all the time.  Clocks 2870 fps from my 20 inch Wylde 1-8 barrel.  About 13 x 18 inch ES at 1000 for ten shots.  Sometimes less.  Alot depends on calling the windage.  Always under 1.5 inch MOA at closer range. Really accurate at 900 yards.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 9:35:38 PM EDT
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Messing with the 8" 300blk and 11.5" 7.62x39 today. All factory loads, 5-10 shots each, 80* at sea level:

--110G Barnes Black Tip:
2,059fps/ 13fps ES

--120G UMC Remington OTFB:
1,901fps/ 30fps ES

--123G Magtech FMJ:
1,954fps/ 49fps ES

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11.5 Draco:

--123G Fusion Soft Point:
2,169fps/ 18fps ES

--123G Golden Tiger FMJ:
2,147fps/ 124fps ES  *Throw out the hi and low and it averaged 2,149fps.
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