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Posted: 9/17/2004 3:25:57 PM EST
I'm looking to acquire my second carbine in 5.56mm (my first is an Armalite flat-top w/EOTech 552) and have some money to spend. If cost was no object (OK, $3000 w/o optics), what would you get? I'm leaning toward Knights with the URXII handguard (is it readily available?). I shoot about 500 rnds about twice a week at metal targets, but am definately a newbie with more dollars than cents.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 3:31:35 PM EST
buy 3 bushmasters
and modify to your will (legally)
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 5:19:34 PM EST
Quality, not quantity. Do you have any opinions, for or against, on the Knights SR-15?
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 6:56:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2004 6:57:09 PM EST by drew5337]
MSTN

Contact them about a LMT upper/lower or the MRP upper. They will custom build you whatever you want, and use primo parts. And you have enough $ to play there

I don't...
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 6:57:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By drew5337:
MSTN

Contact them about a LMT upper/lower or the MRP upper. They will custom build you whatever you want, and use primo parts. And you have enough $ to play there

I don't...



If money were no object that's the route I would go.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 1:18:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 1:26:34 AM EST by Cato]
I would get a special homedefense build- a LMT 10.5" upper with a LaRue
Railsystem and all the nice add ons (SureFire, Aimpoint, VF grip) from C4iGrant
and then add a quality silencer! With money no object, the paperwork
involved shouldn't be too!
But most important invest in several classes tought by Pat Rogers
or Jeff Gonzales- maybe at Gunsite! A gun is only as good as the
shooter, you can wring out your equipment there and professional
training is not only a huuuge knowledge boost, but also great fun!!
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:13:30 AM EST
The Knight SR series are nice, however, I would look at a JP Enterprises CTR-02? It can be either a "race" or "tactical" carbine, comes with all the bells and whistles of custom built rifle for about $2,300. I could only afford the upper JP site is http://www.jprifles.com
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:46:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 3:48:59 AM EST by redfisher]


more realistically may be....


Bushy lower
LMT M4 upper
DD 7.0
TD fore grip
LMT Crane stock
ACOG TA31
ARMS 40L BUIS

retail on nearly everything pushes it over $3,250
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 4:44:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By redfisher:
img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/redfisher19/swissarmygun220x165.jpg

more realistically may be....
img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/redfisher19/M5.jpg

Bushy lower $209
LMT M4 upper $495
DD 7.0 $247
TD fore grip $61
LMT Crane stock $249
ACOG TA31 $1049
ARMS 40L BUIS $99

retail on nearly everything pushes it over $3,250



All can be had off of our very own EE for $2409 The only thing not listed and not included above is a bolt/carrier which can be had for $100, bringing you to $2509.

If you go with the LMT MRP instead you deduct the $495 for the upper and the $247 for the DD 7.0, and add $1289 for the MRP bringing you to $3056. So there ya go. Right nearly at $3k and it INCLUDES optics. Everything you need to the the state-of-the-art badass.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 5:38:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By redfisher:

retail on nearly everything pushes it over $3,250



$3250 and no light.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:05:42 AM EST
First off, I'd not get a 5.56x45mm, that's for sure. Second off, I'd build it my-self and save a few bucks even if money wasn't a problem. Check into either a 6.8Rem.SPC or a .300Fireball(that's the one that I built) and go from there. You can even take a look at the 6.5 Grendel if you'd like but for an "Ultimate" it'd for damn sure not be a 5.56mm
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:15:46 AM EST
No kidding!

But can you say $4,000?

ouch!

Norman74 was close, except my Bushmaster lower wasn't $209, it was more like $900, but included a whole rifle, and the DD 7.0 was $300 plus $60 to install it.

But he's right- a little research, a little more patience, and you too could have a great set up for $3K or less.............
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:16:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 10:46:15 AM EST by Yojimbo]
My next carbine will have a 16" LMT upper and the Troy MRF-MX. I will have the FSB swapped with low profile gas block so it will fit under the MRF-MX and use Troy front and rear BUIS. Optics will be either an ACOG TA31 or an EOTech 552 with the 3.75x magnifier lens. Light will be a Surefire M952XM or the new Scout Light. I will also use a Vltor Clubfoot stock, Magpul modular grip, TD rail covers and no vertical grip.

It's the poormans MRP and since I will not be needing to swap the barrels it will be just fine!

In fact Troy has great pic of this setup.

Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:16:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By TNFrank:
First off, I'd not get a 5.56x45mm, that's for sure. Second off, I'd build it my-self and save a few bucks even if money wasn't a problem. Check into either a 6.8Rem.SPC or a .300Fireball(that's the one that I built) and go from there. You can even take a look at the 6.5 Grendel if you'd like but for an "Ultimate" it'd for damn sure not be a 5.56mm



I can't imagine building a serious carbine that is limited to weirdo ammo. If the SHTF, good luck feeding that exotic freak.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:32:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By triburst1:
I can't imagine building a serious carbine that is limited to weirdo ammo. If the SHTF, good luck feeding that exotic freak.



DITTO
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:34:54 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 6:35:13 AM EST by Lumpy196]
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:43:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By KevinB:


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Originally Posted By triburst1:
I can't imagine building a serious carbine that is limited to weirdo ammo. If the SHTF, good luck feeding that exotic freak.
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DITTO



Not to mention trying to feed that sucker 500 rds twice a week, as he said initially.

Doc
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:54:09 AM EST
Thanks for all the ideas. I see that I need to do a LOT more research.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:55:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 6:58:23 AM EST by norman74]
well, if we're free to change calibers. I already have the ultimate
www.dsarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=SA58C&storeid=1ℑ=sa58carbine.gif
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:56:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By redfisher:
No kidding!

But can you say $4,000?

ouch!

Norman74 was close, except my Bushmaster lower wasn't $209, it was more like $900, but included a whole rifle, and the DD 7.0 was $300 plus $60 to install it.

But he's right- a little research, a little more patience, and you too could have a great set up for $3K or less.............



no research required, I already did it for ya!
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:57:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By Yojimbo:
My next carbine will have a 16" LMT upper and the Troy MRF-MX. I will have the FSB swapped with low profile gas block so it will fit under the MRF-MX and use Troy front and rear BUIS. Optics will be either an ACOG TA31 or an EOTech 552 with the 3.75x magnifier lens. Light will be a Surefire M952XM or the new Scout Light. I will alsp use a Vltor Clubfoot stock, Magpul modular grip, TD rail covers and no vertical grip.

It's the poormans MRP and since I will not be needing to swap the barrels it will be just fine!

In fact Troy has great pic of this setup.

www.troyind.com/Finished/10inch%20Mid-Legnth.jpg



I'm curious why the flipup front. If you use a magnified optic you're not going to see the FSB anyway.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:30:44 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 7:32:11 AM EST by inkaybee]

Originally Posted By redfisher:
img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/redfisher19/swissarmygun220x165.jpg

more realistically may be....
img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/redfisher19/M5.jpg

Bushy lower
LMT M4 upper
DD 7.0
TD fore grip
LMT Crane stock
ACOG TA31
ARMS 40L BUIS

retail on nearly everything pushes it over $3,250



Very nice set up. It's similar to mine. However, can I make one small suggestion? To get the full use of your ACOGs 800 meter reticle. You might want to add a Harris bi-pod on a ARMs throw lever mount. And to make room for the bi-pod you could change the DD7.0 to a DD9.5 FSP.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 8:14:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 8:17:08 AM EST by DM1975]
I have about $1400.00 in mine including my Aimpoint, surefire weapons-light, and OTAL laser. I used a Stag arms lower and RRA upper with a 14.5 in. (now it is at least) barrel and a phantom 5C2 flash hider. I have a RRA collapsable M4 stock and Magpul rail panels YHM 2 piece rail system and a KAC 300M BUIS. I have the laser for reflex fire in case my aimpoint fogs out, and I have the BUIS in case I have a total everything malfunction. For me it is perfect.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 8:42:09 AM EST
This is what I think is the ultimate carbine....

KevinB's, 16" midlength, URX2 carbine. With a Magpul stock and an ACOG.





That weapon is the Heat.

I would rather have a URX2 than an LMT MRP so I could remove the bottom portion for oiling and cleaning... rather than having to pull the barrel.

(I would prefer to have that with a gas piston.... but that is another arguement ENTIRELY... I don't want to get into right now.... again)

Stainless
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 9:36:30 AM EST
It is still my ideal ultimate carbine...
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 10:38:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 10:45:17 AM EST by pinepig2]
KevinB: Is that a midlength gas system? What type of barrel is it? Was a Knight's upper receiver used?

If there is a link to the specs on this carbine, that would work too. Thanks.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 10:40:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 10:46:10 AM EST by pinepig2]
Oops - duplicate post.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 10:44:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By norman74:

I'm curious why the flipup front. If you use a magnified optic you're not going to see the FSB anyway.



I normally like the standard FSB but I want to try something different this time around. I'm still tossing around the idea of a mid-length with a standard FSB but I'm a picky bastard and it's hard to find a 4150, 1/7 mid-length barrel...
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 10:48:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By Yojimbo:

Originally Posted By norman74:

I'm curious why the flipup front. If you use a magnified optic you're not going to see the FSB anyway.



I normally like the standard FSB but I want to try something different this time around. I'm still tossing around the idea of a mid-length with a standard FSB but I'm a picky bastard and it's hard to find a 4150, 1/7 mid-length barrel...



I don't think it's 4150, but FYI
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=121&t=207911
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 12:12:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Yojimbo:

Originally Posted By norman74:

I'm curious why the flipup front. If you use a magnified optic you're not going to see the FSB anyway.



I normally like the standard FSB but I want to try something different this time around. I'm still tossing around the idea of a mid-length with a standard FSB but I'm a picky bastard and it's hard to find a 4150, 1/7 mid-length barrel...



Yojimbo,
I've looked high and low and I am aware of no one doing a 4150 middy, especially in 1/7 twist. If you are aware of someone who is making this, please let me know. As noted above, however, I am attempting to close out my 1:7 middy group buy right now.

GIFFMANN
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 2:01:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 2:03:59 PM EST by TNFrank]

Originally Posted By triburst1:

Originally Posted By TNFrank:
First off, I'd not get a 5.56x45mm, that's for sure. Second off, I'd build it my-self and save a few bucks even if money wasn't a problem. Check into either a 6.8Rem.SPC or a .300Fireball(that's the one that I built) and go from there. You can even take a look at the 6.5 Grendel if you'd like but for an "Ultimate" it'd for damn sure not be a 5.56mm



I can't imagine building a serious carbine that is limited to weirdo ammo. If the SHTF, good luck feeding that exotic freak.



In a SHTF all I need is enough ammo to get what I need then I'll used it and put mine up.

Also, you're talking "Ultimate" not "Practical" so make up your mind. If you want a "Practical" just build an M4gery in 5.56mm and be done with it.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 2:58:25 PM EST
Norman74 and Giffman,

Thanks for the heads up but I've got my heart set on an LMT upper. That still sounds like a nice barrel in Giffman's group buy. There's just too many goodies and not enough money...

I don't know anyone offering a 16" midlength upper with a 4150, 1/7, chrome lined barrel with a true M4 barrel extension and extended feed ramps. Though it would be nice if LMT made a 16" upper without the M203 cuts, I'd get a low profile gas block and mount the FSB where it would be on a mid-length. Just my opinion, but I wouldn't mind giving up a true mid-length gas system for the other features I want...

Link Posted: 9/18/2004 2:58:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By TNFrank:
Also, you're talking "Ultimate" not "Practical" so make up your mind. If you want a "Practical" just build an M4gery in 5.56mm and be done with it.



For many "ultimate" is "practical"; myself included.
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