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Posted: 5/3/2004 4:50:58 PM EDT
I was looking around at wally world yesterday and noted that remington and winchester had 20 rounds of .223 for approx 12 bucks. I then noticed that UMC is like 3.97 for 20 rounds. Does anyone use this stuff?. I think its reloads because the casings look like it, but im not too worried about reloads especially since most shooters use them anyway.
Link Posted: 5/3/2004 5:01:09 PM EDT
i've ran it through my mini 14. runs like a champ. i've got some more for my rock river arms that's ordered and on the way. let you know when it gets here..........NEXT YEAR at the rate it's going.
Link Posted: 5/3/2004 5:12:58 PM EDT
I use it and like it a lot, cheap enough at Wal-Mart. I do not think it's reloaded, but I could be wrong.
Link Posted: 5/3/2004 5:39:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/3/2004 5:42:04 PM EDT by philipk]
UMC is not reloaded ammo. It is to Remington what USA is to Winchester, i.e the budget brand.

I like both UMC and USA in 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45ACP. I dislike it in .38 special and .223.

For less money you can buy Winchester Q3131A made by IMI Isreal or Federal XM193 made at Lake City. Real M193 ammo for less money.

Just my .02.

Philip

PS
Being that you posted this in the AR15 forum, I assume that you have an AR chambered in 5.56. If not, and you have a .223 chambered rifle. UMC is your best bet.
PK
Link Posted: 5/3/2004 5:57:12 PM EDT
I have shot over 1000 rounds of UMC, and I have had very few malfunctions - all FTC. I can count those on just my fingers. It's pretty good stuff, and they're not reloads. Q3131a or XM-193 is cheaper, but you have to buy that in bulk to make it worth your while with shipping and all. The nice thing about going to Wally World is that you can buy as much or as little as you want or have money for at the time.
Link Posted: 5/3/2004 6:21:09 PM EDT
Bass pro shops has the Umc for something like $40 for 200 or 250 rounds can't quite remember. But if its 200 rounds you don't really save anything. Might be worth checking though.
Link Posted: 5/3/2004 6:28:58 PM EDT
I have a couple boxes of 9mm sitting in my range bag... last time I shot it I don't remember any major problems. I don't think it's any better or worse than Wolf, but I don't put a high volume of rounds through my guns in one day liek some of these guys. I pick up a couple boxes and I might not even shoot it all, depending on how many guns I take out. I've heard it's shit for an AR, and based on that I have not shot it in my BM. I prefer Federal by the 1,000 case for my AR these days, simply because I hate having to go to the store onmy way to the range and leave my gear in the car...
Link Posted: 5/3/2004 6:35:42 PM EDT
who's got the best prices on the 1,000 alotments? i don't mean wolf either-not that i'm knocking it (i've seen that thread before-UGH!) i mean the Q3131A or the XM193, cuz i've got a brand spankin' new rra on the way. thanks.
Link Posted: 5/3/2004 6:49:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/3/2004 6:50:20 PM EDT by philipk]

Originally Posted By deerkillindad21:
who's got the best prices on the 1,000 alotments? i don't mean wolf either-not that i'm knocking it (i've seen that thread before-UGH!) i mean the Q3131A or the XM193, cuz i've got a brand spankin' new rra on the way. thanks.



I get the best price from my local gun store. He will order me Q3131A for $3.35 per box in case lots. ($167.50 per case). I bought five cases from him in February.

If you can't get your dealer to do the same, AMMOMAN.COM sells both Q3131A and XM193 for $199 delievered. I just bought a case of XM193 from him last week.

Philip
Link Posted: 5/3/2004 6:51:07 PM EDT
now what's the stuff that they sell through cablas? i think that runs 180 or 190.
Link Posted: 5/3/2004 6:54:34 PM EDT
As I have written the last million times this topic has been discussed..

It is good practice ammo because it is not loaded very hot. Thus, you have less wear on your weapon, and the brass is less stretched if you reload.

I buy UMC if i need to add brass to my pool.
Link Posted: 5/3/2004 7:01:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By philipk:
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If you can't get your dealer to do the same, AMMOMAN.COM sells both Q3131A and XM193 for $199 delievered. I just bought a case of XM193 from him last week.

Philip



+1 (same here)...
Link Posted: 5/3/2004 7:30:01 PM EDT
The UMC ammo you speak of is NOT reloads. I should know, I work there and have spoke with our distributer. The Winchester that you see for 12 bucks a box is completely different. It is 45 gr. hollowpoint and designed for varmint shooting, that is why it is more expensive. Also, shooting reloads IS a BIG thing. If you read your manuals you will see that NEARLY ALL companies will not honor warranties if your gun blows up shooting reloads. And yes, I have seen a rifle blow-up using reloads. My buddies friend and I were shooting his m-16 when it blew up in his face using Maine corp. reloads, luckily he was using thermolds so he only had to pull a few pieces of plastic out of his leg and he was able to pick his RDIAS off the ground, wipe it off and put it in another ar15.
Link Posted: 5/3/2004 8:12:12 PM EDT
I have found UMC to bit a bit low powered as noted, which occasionally causes me some cycling problems. I'm not so keen on the UMC in 9mm in some firearms.
Link Posted: 5/4/2004 5:31:07 AM EDT
Have bought some UMC pistol ammo in 45 and 9mm, and found it to be very, very dirty. Sort of swore it off since then.
Link Posted: 5/4/2004 6:12:25 AM EDT
UMC is good stuff if you don't want a 1000rds @ a time. Some hard primers, 3 out of last 200 or so. If you live near one of WalMarts distribution centers there employees get discounts(10% I think). 1000/20=50*3.97=198.5-19.85=178.65per 1000. Not to bad for plinking. Nice reloadable brass. -Justin

Low velocity = no fragmentation. Usually the lead core just slips out of jacket.
Link Posted: 5/4/2004 7:13:43 AM EDT
I've never cared for UMC .223 ammo, but I've shot alot of their pistol ammo. Its an acceptable brand.
Link Posted: 5/4/2004 7:30:23 AM EDT
Never used the .223 stuff----seems OK in 9mm----and VERY hot in .44mag---I mean VERY!!!----even my buddy noticed it while I was shooting-----no signs of excess pressure on the fired cases though.
Link Posted: 5/4/2004 7:39:28 AM EDT
I have shot around 500+ rounds of umc 223, not any problems in either my AR or Mini-14. Good ammo for plinking and easy to obtain when getting groceries with the wife.
Link Posted: 5/4/2004 8:37:30 AM EDT
I have never shot thier 5.56mm, but I shoot thier .45 all the time with zero problems.
Link Posted: 5/4/2004 10:34:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By deerkillindad21:
who's got the best prices on the 1,000 alotments? i don't mean wolf either-not that i'm knocking it (i've seen that thread before-UGH!) i mean the Q3131A or the XM193, cuz i've got a brand spankin' new rra on the way. thanks.


Botach has Israeli M193 for $189/1200 shipped, which works out to $0.16 per round.

Fax your order.
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