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Posted: 5/16/2003 2:49:34 PM EDT
Today I dry fired a stock Bushy DCM at the range. I was there with my Sig 220 and one of the guys had his DCM. Until today I had never tried a two-stage trigger. What an improvement over the standard Bushmaster trigger. It was so nice being able to tell exactly where and when the trigger was going to break.

Now it is just a matter of which Two-Stage Trigger to get. Even though I liked the Bushy's standard DCM trigger, I haven't heard much positive feedback about it. Right now I'm leaning toward the Rock River Two-Stage. I want a trigger that is reliable, no adjustments and works well. And since I have never attempted to install/replace a trigger on an AR, one that is drop in (no fitting required).
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 2:53:31 PM EDT
Sounds like the RRA 2-stage is the one for you. It seems to be the best trigger for the money. Many like the Jewell, but it has many adjustments. Most will say the Knight is better, but quite a bit more expensive (and I think it has adjustments too). I've not heard much good about the BM or the Armalite ones.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 3:17:21 PM EDT
I had a Jewell installed in my precision AR and there is just nothing better in the world when it comes to setting that perfect break point! The first stage is for safety and the second, when you get to the sear engagement, is just a breath from breaking and crisp as an ATM $20 bill. Installation was pretty easy (for Tapperman, who did mine [;)]) and it is extremely tunable. That being said I just ordered an RRA NM Lower from Pete-in-NH which will get shipped to John Holliger for further work. I've liked the RRA two stagers I've looked at but I'd say they need a bit of work to be perfect. My pre-ban is slated to get a KAC 2-stage trigger after my next bonus. I'll let you know how it turns out.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 3:21:47 PM EDT
I have a RRA two stage trigger in my target AR. There is nothing to adjust, and as such nothing to come out of adjustment. I like it alot and recommend it.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 6:11:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/16/2003 6:11:56 PM EDT by Zardoz]
Another vote for the RRA two-stage. Inexpensive, has a good feel, nothing to adjust (which means nothing to work loose, either-a BIG plus), and works like a charm. Edited to correct my lack of typing skills.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 7:51:53 PM EDT
I have the Armalite trigger installed in my Colt's and it's as good as I could ever ask for in a combat rifle. The first Armalite triggers were adjustable knock-offs of the Milazzo trigger and they sued Armalite for using their design. I think the company was named Eagle Arms at the time of the trigger fiasco and they later bought the rights to the Armalite name. All the Armalite triggers now are non adjustable and are pretty much a drop in. JD
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 8:30:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/16/2003 8:31:48 PM EDT by DevL]
I dont know why people have such a phobia of the adjustments on the KNight's trigger. I have never heard of a failure on this site or any where in competition, combat or otherwise. I have seen several reports of failures of the RRA trigger on this site however. I dont see how people will say the trigger with a lower failure rate is less reliable somehow than a trigger with a much higher failure rate. Just does not make sense to me. Also the KAC trigger is the easiest trigger to install out of all the aftermarket triggers and comes preset and loc tited from the factory.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 8:39:45 PM EDT
Not knocking the KAC trigger, its obviously good, but it also cost 3 1/2 times what my most excellent RRA trigger does. Is it 3 1/2 times better? I think not.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 9:57:44 PM EDT
Where can you buy a RRA 2 stage for $70? Also is a Mercedes 50 times better than a Ford Escort? No, they both get you there just the same.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 10:08:02 PM EDT
OK, after looking at prices its 2 1/2 times (actually I did pay $65 for mine on the EE, but that doesnt count). Make the case and convince me it's worth the money. I have no reason to not take your word on it.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 4:02:25 AM EDT
The overall travel on the trigger is very short. I never notice the 2nd stage in 25m and under shooting where I need to be fast. The trigger is as crisp as any trigger I have ever tried. I know Hollinger (sp?) tuned RRA triggers are a bit more than a regular one (which partially negates the price advantage of the RRA but only slightly) and I have heard of the triggers going single stage or changing weight over time with use. Anyone who has seen me review anything knows I am a real picky SOB and I can find nothing, and I mean nothing, to complain about with the KAC trigger other than it cost an arm and a leg. It is as crisp as any Remington 700 or 1911 trigger I have ever tried. Of course those are single stage but I am just saying it is as consistant as a trigger can be. I know EXACTLY when the trigger will break. There is not even a need for the "be suprised by the gun going off" method anymore. I can shoot it in close 99% as fast as a single stage trigger. The fullauto version even has a single stage for the full auto portion and a 2 stage for the semi portion. The thing never seems to lose adjustment and its install is the easiest of any trigger in any firearm ever. So it kind of goes like this. Cripsness - Best I ever tried. 2 Stage design - Shortest I ever tried. Reliability - 100% never even heard rumors of a failure. Ease of installation - Fastest/Easiest install of any trigger ever. I can not think of anything that could be improved upon. Perfection costs. Anyone who owns a Knight's trigger will tell you its the best combat/match ready 2 stage they have ever tried and it was money well spent once they get over the $250 price tag hurdle. Did I convince you yet? [;)]
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 6:48:00 AM EDT
Here is the RR trigger postfrom last week that got hijacked into a KAC trigger discussion: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=158337&w=searchPop[/url] I got my KAC through the EE for 225. Worth every penny if you ask me. Twice as good as a Rock River? It's been a while since I played with a RR, so I can't say for sure. I am still waiting for my Holliger tuned RR as a direct comparison. Plus I can use the nifty KAC slave pin to make the installation just as easy [;)].
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 10:32:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/17/2003 10:35:24 AM EDT by themao]
What's the "EE" bsbg? $225 is a good price. That's near the price of a Jewell trigger. Edited to add: Oh, dumb me. That's the equipment exchange! Nevermind. [BD]
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 9:28:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DevL: The overall travel on the trigger is very short. I never notice the 2nd stage in 25m and under shooting where I need to be fast. The trigger is as crisp as any trigger I have ever tried. I know Hollinger (sp?) tuned RRA triggers are a bit more than a regular one (which partially negates the price advantage of the RRA but only slightly) and I have heard of the triggers going single stage or changing weight over time with use. Anyone who has seen me review anything knows I am a real picky SOB and I can find nothing, and I mean nothing, to complain about with the KAC trigger other than it cost an arm and a leg. It is as crisp as any Remington 700 or 1911 trigger I have ever tried. Of course those are single stage but I am just saying it is as consistant as a trigger can be. I know EXACTLY when the trigger will break. There is not even a need for the "be suprised by the gun going off" method anymore. I can shoot it in close 99% as fast as a single stage trigger. The fullauto version even has a single stage for the full auto portion and a 2 stage for the semi portion. The thing never seems to lose adjustment and its install is the easiest of any trigger in any firearm ever. So it kind of goes like this. Cripsness - Best I ever tried. 2 Stage design - Shortest I ever tried. Reliability - 100% never even heard rumors of a failure. Ease of installation - Fastest/Easiest install of any trigger ever. I can not think of anything that could be improved upon. Perfection costs. Anyone who owns a Knight's trigger will tell you its the best combat/match ready 2 stage they have ever tried and it was money well spent once they get over the $250 price tag hurdle. Did I convince you yet? [;)]
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Now, THAT's a very good review of the KAC. Unfortunately, cost is what drove me to the RRA, but so far (500rds or so), I have no complaints with it.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 7:11:33 PM EDT
I have had a Jewell for years and it is awesome. Zero complaints.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 7:32:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 10:53:23 PM EDT
Match 2 Stage Trigger (for .154 diameter pin receivers only) 98032 $250.00 The everyday price at Sableco. When I got mine the invoice said $240 and the shipping was $10 so it was $250 delivered but I dont know if that was a mistake or not.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 11:00:49 PM EDT
One more vote for the RRA 2 stage trigger, for the price and drop-in feature you can't beat it...
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:31:19 AM EDT
What do people think of Armalite's current two-stage trigger?
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:38:57 AM EDT
If I am not mistaken (and I very well could be) the RRA trigger is just like the Armalite only the Armalite is more expensive.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:42:02 AM EDT
Another vote for RRA. Installation's a snap, the price is right, and it works.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:51:57 AM EDT
another vote for RRA, for about 90 bucks it is a great deal BTW: love the Jewell, but o so expensive(came standard in one of my guns)
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:54:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DevL: If I am not mistaken (and I very well could be) the RRA trigger is just like the Armalite only the Armalite is more expensive.
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There is a very slight difference, but essentially they are the same with the Armalite being about $60 to $80 more.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 6:38:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2003 3:28:00 AM EDT by Raptor22]
Originally Posted By DevL: If I am not mistaken (and I very well could be) the RRA trigger is just like the Armalite only the Armalite is more expensive.
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The Armalite also seems to wear faster. I had one in a Colt and one day at the range after a couple of hundred rounds I squeezed the trigger and nothing happened. I had the sense to keep the weapon pointed downrange because about 15 seconds later it went off. I took down the rifle, checked the trigger. It seemed OK, fired a few rounds and the same thing happened again. To make a long story short, it was replaced by a KAC trigger and I have had no problems since. [i] Edited to add:[/i] I also have RRA's two stage triggers in some of my ARs and have no complaints. It is a decent trigger for its price and no fuss installation. It is also now available for large hammer/trigger pin Colts. Too bad KAC does not have one for large hammer/trigger pin Colts.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 6:45:47 PM EDT
Well, unless I plan on building a DCM rifle or a Varmit rig, this tells me I have two options with my M4 clone I'm working on: - Mil-spec single stage (the one I have in there now) - KAC Trigger $300 is a lot to swallow, and I don't know if I can justify a match trigger on a rifle I rarely use beyond 200 yards.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 1:33:59 AM EDT
Never heard of anyone paying $300... But if you do get the KAC trigger you will thank everyone who steered you that direction. [:)]
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