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Posted: 8/5/2023 9:56:19 PM EST
I've had a Credo 1-6x from Trijicon on my rifle for a few months now. I paid $800 for it, and Trijicon claims these are submersible.

I had a hunch one of the seals may be bad because mine came with strange feeling adjustments. I dunked it in some water in a small bucket and took it back out and lo and behold..

Time to see if their warranty will fix this up for me. I'm happy I tested this out before needing the scope for anything serious.
PWS
Link Posted: 8/6/2023 2:51:16 PM EST
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That's not good. Hopefully it's a fluke and they take care of you.
Link Posted: 8/6/2023 5:04:08 PM EST
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I checked it today and most of the fog from being underwater was gone. I know the fog was inside the optic, I'm guessing that the gas escaped a long time ago and because I've only used the scope in dry warm conditions I've never noticed the issue.
Link Posted: 8/6/2023 9:02:47 PM EST
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Send it back they’ll take care of you but that’s also weird to just throw your scope in a bucket.
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 1:05:59 AM EST
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^This

You mention hard/serious use? You planning on swimming a mile underwater with that thing before storming a beach? What metric could possibly be measured for your own measurement of hard use, by you dumping that optic into a bucket of water? Very curious to know why that test would be the be all test for a Trijicon Credo's capability that would live up to your standards of being a capable optic for hard use.

Link Posted: 8/7/2023 1:24:00 AM EST
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^This

You mention hard/serious use? You planning on swimming a mile underwater with that thing before storming a beach? What metric could possibly be measured for your own measurement of hard use, by you dumping that optic into a bucket of water? Very curious to know why that test would be the be all test for a Trijicon Credo's capability that would live up to your standards of being a capable optic for hard use.

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Whatever his metric, the scope was defeated by a home depot bucket.  Trijicon advertises the shit to be tougher than that.

I've had to swim after a moose before.  Thankfully, my ACOG didn't turn into a canteen
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 6:11:28 AM EST
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Been through run and guns where the range was flooded. The day before and the stages had waiste deep puddles or creeks you had to cross that were ankle deep, were much higher after the rain. Taking a spill in there with your gear would sure ruin a match if a scope that claims to be water proof to 15' got water logged with just a foot of water.
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 6:17:24 AM EST
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Been through run and guns where the range was flooded. The day before and the stages had waiste deep puddles or creeks you had to cross that were ankle deep, were much higher after the rain. Taking a spill in there with your gear would sure ruin a match if a scope that claims to be water proof to 15' got water logged with just a foot of water.
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I'm just a weekend RNG gamer too- and like Joedirt, my rifle and I have been submerged both intentionally and unintentionally.  I've also ran a couple in rain storms that may have just as well been a river crossing.

Leaky scope bad.  I can't imagine having an issue with Trijicon repairing/replacing this optic though.

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Whatever his metric, the scope was defeated by a home depot bucket.  Trijicon advertises the shit to be tougher than that.

I've had to swim after a moose before.  Thankfully, my ACOG didn't turn into a canteen
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Trijicon does state it is immersion tested, don't know if that means submersible tested, but I'll take your word for it.

Link Posted: 8/7/2023 10:51:45 AM EST
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Trijicon does state it is immersion tested, don't know if that means submersible tested, but I'll take your word for it.

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submersible to 10ft per manual
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 10:55:30 AM EST
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Trijicon is just not Trijicon anymore in terms of quality ... I've had back to back to back to back ACOGs with QC issues ... sad to see ...
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 11:51:14 AM EST
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their CS has been very responsive though
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 12:48:37 PM EST
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Time to see if their warranty will fix this up for me. I'm happy I tested this out before needing the scope for anything serious.
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You had me up to here. What the fuck OP, you planning on assaulting Ariel in her mermaid kingdom??
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 1:04:52 PM EST
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Everyone knows if you assault Ariel in her kingdom, use a rock

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Link Posted: 8/7/2023 2:23:13 PM EST
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it's like incomprehendable for some people to want their scope to work as advertised
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 2:54:10 PM EST
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One of the first things I do when I get a new optic is dunk it in water. Bad seals aren’t uncommon and it’s an easy way to avoid finding out in the field or at the range when your optic fogs over inside. It’s more about the oxygen being purged than immersion.
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 4:35:09 PM EST
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One of the first things I do when I get a new optic is dunk it in water. Bad seals aren’t uncommon and it’s an easy way to avoid finding out in the field or at the range when your optic fogs over inside. It’s more about the oxygen being purged than immersion.
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apparently you can put it in the fridge as well for same effect
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^This

You mention hard/serious use? You planning on swimming a mile underwater with that thing before storming a beach? What metric could possibly be measured for your own measurement of hard use, by you dumping that optic into a bucket of water? Very curious to know why that test would be the be all test for a Trijicon Credo's capability that would live up to your standards of being a capable optic for hard use.

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^This

You mention hard/serious use? You planning on swimming a mile underwater with that thing before storming a beach? What metric could possibly be measured for your own measurement of hard use, by you dumping that optic into a bucket of water? Very curious to know why that test would be the be all test for a Trijicon Credo's capability that would live up to your standards of being a capable optic for hard use.


I'd be really disappointed and if it's not a one-off fluke, I would sell the warranty replacement optic and buy something suitable for hard use.  The OP didn't "swim a mile underwater", he submerged the scope in a bucket of water.  Any decent scope should pass that test with flying colors.
Link Posted: 8/8/2023 10:29:57 AM EST
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I'd be really disappointed and if it's not a one-off fluke, I would sell the warranty replacement optic and buy something suitable for hard use.  The OP didn't "swim a mile underwater", he submerged the scope in a bucket of water.  Any decent scope should pass that test with flying colors.
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^This

You mention hard/serious use? You planning on swimming a mile underwater with that thing before storming a beach? What metric could possibly be measured for your own measurement of hard use, by you dumping that optic into a bucket of water? Very curious to know why that test would be the be all test for a Trijicon Credo's capability that would live up to your standards of being a capable optic for hard use.


I'd be really disappointed and if it's not a one-off fluke, I would sell the warranty replacement optic and buy something suitable for hard use.  The OP didn't "swim a mile underwater", he submerged the scope in a bucket of water.  Any decent scope should pass that test with flying colors.
We don't have the full picture here.  The OP has another thread in the Precision Rifle section where he talks more about his bucket test.  Without seeing what he actually did, I'm going to take his report in this thread with some caution.  I'm not claiming the Trijicon did not fail, but I am noting that we don't fully understand what it was subjected to.  

Being a 1-6x, it would be important to know if the caps were removed underwater to adjust the dials.  I haven't searched out if Trijicon wants those caps to be on to live up to their waterproof claim, but it seems very relevant.  

I recently did a dunk test on my Trijicon Credo HX scope to ensure it's good to go on my rifle. I simply put it in a bucket of water, then adjust all the dials, magnification dial, diopter, etc while underwater.

I posted a video of me doing this to Reddit, and people thought I was crazy/weird for doing this. Some claimed that even though water doesn't get into my scope, I'm still risking making some of the steel parts rust.

I don't see how that's possible since most sensitive parts are already protected from water ingress. Furthermore, most if not all external steel parts are anodized.

Are scopes like Trijicon's actually waterproof? Do they honor warranty for scopes that get water damage from normal use? Is corrosion really a concern?


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I'd be really disappointed and if it's not a one-off fluke, I would sell the warranty replacement optic and buy something suitable for hard use.  The OP didn't "swim a mile underwater", he submerged the scope in a bucket of water. Any decent scope should pass that test with flying colors.
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^This

You mention hard/serious use? You planning on swimming a mile underwater with that thing before storming a beach? What metric could possibly be measured for your own measurement of hard use, by you dumping that optic into a bucket of water? Very curious to know why that test would be the be all test for a Trijicon Credo's capability that would live up to your standards of being a capable optic for hard use.


I'd be really disappointed and if it's not a one-off fluke, I would sell the warranty replacement optic and buy something suitable for hard use.  The OP didn't "swim a mile underwater", he submerged the scope in a bucket of water. Any decent scope should pass that test with flying colors.
AND TWISTED DIALS. Theres a fucking world of difference between "dunk test" and "dunk test then change all adjustments". I'd suspect that isnt covered by warranty, and given how OPs story seems to change I also suspect OP would lie to Trijicon to get a warranty claim on something he intentionally and knowingly misused.
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AND TWISTED DIALS. Theres a fucking world of difference between "dunk test" and "dunk test then change all adjustments". I'd suspect that isnt covered by warranty, and given how OPs story seems to change I also suspect OP would lie to Trijicon to get a warranty claim on something he intentionally and knowingly misused.
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I recall him being the one who sent a barrel back 3 times because it wouldn't sub-MOA extreme spread with 5 shots of non-match ammo, and had 3+ threads about his guns not holding zero when it was obviously standard shooter deviation.
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I recall him being the one who sent a barrel back 3 times because it wouldn't sub-MOA extreme spread with 5 shots of non-match ammo, and had 3+ threads about his guns not holding zero when it was obviously standard shooter deviation.
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AND TWISTED DIALS. Theres a fucking world of difference between "dunk test" and "dunk test then change all adjustments". I'd suspect that isnt covered by warranty, and given how OPs story seems to change I also suspect OP would lie to Trijicon to get a warranty claim on something he intentionally and knowingly misused.
I recall him being the one who sent a barrel back 3 times because it wouldn't sub-MOA extreme spread with 5 shots of non-match ammo, and had 3+ threads about his guns not holding zero when it was obviously standard shooter deviation.
OH DAAAAAAMN THIS is that guy?!

I remember that shitshow of the thread. This is like watching Dunning-Kruger in real time
Link Posted: 8/8/2023 2:25:57 PM EST
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I really hope he didn’t dunk it with the caps removed.

While it shouldn’t get through to the optic that’s a good way to introduce corrosion to important mechanical parts.
Link Posted: 8/8/2023 3:01:38 PM EST
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I really hope he didn't dunk it with the caps removed.

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Someone should send this thread to Trijicon
Link Posted: 8/8/2023 4:11:50 PM EST
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I recall him being the one who sent a barrel back 3 times because it wouldn't sub-MOA extreme spread with 5 shots of non-match ammo, and had 3+ threads about his guns not holding zero when it was obviously standard shooter deviation.


Faxon confirmed that there was something wrong with the barrel and they replaced it. I really don't know why you're so obsessed with me but I suggest you get a job instead of being a chronologically online brony.

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I really hope he didn’t dunk it with the caps removed.

While it shouldn’t get through to the optic that’s a good way to introduce corrosion to important mechanical parts.


If that's the case then Trijicon needs to state as much. All they say is the optic is submersible to 10ft. I specifically enquired to them about the possibility of corrosion and they just replied that their optics are submersible to 10ft. Furthermore there is zero waterproofing on the scope caps. No o-rings at all between either interface. Only the metal threads which are not really waterproof. Dials have o-rings under them.

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Theres a fucking world of difference between "dunk test" and "dunk test then change all adjustments". I'd suspect that isnt covered by warranty


Any adjustments are going to rotate on a lubricated O-Ring. Please explain how that's going to allow internal gasses to escape faster than a regular dunk. Gas has a much easier time escaping than water getting in, rotating on an o-ring isn't going to cause any difference under a few inches of water than in air. If there's a distinction between those two then once again, Trijicon needs to state that. You could make the case that you shouldn't make any adjustments to your optic while in a heavy rainstorm.

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We don't have the full picture here.  The OP has another thread in the Precision Rifle section where he talks more about his bucket test.  Without seeing what he actually did, I'm going to take his report in this thread with some caution.  I'm not claiming the Trijicon did not fail, but I am noting that we don't fully understand what it was subjected to.  

Being a 1-6x, it would be important to know if the caps were removed underwater to adjust the dials.  I haven't searched out if Trijicon wants those caps to be on to live up to their waterproof claim, but it seems very relevant.  

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The caps, and the receiving threads have no O-rings on them at all. I'm going to assume because of this the caps are moreso "Water-resistant" than waterproof. Without o-ring seals on them there's no reason to suspect they're integral to the waterproof nature of the optic.

Link Posted: 8/8/2023 8:46:48 PM EST
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*shrug* makes sense to me to want to test your optic before having to use it in SHTFantasy. I would just tell trijicon my rifle fell off my sling and into a creek.
Link Posted: 8/8/2023 10:15:51 PM EST
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Peaked my curiosity - went & looked at mine.  I guess I never paid attention but could tell now the caps snug down.  Hard to see the way the bottom of turrets sit in the scope body, but yah no o-rings or flat gaskets.  While I ASSume the caps would help with water resistance no clue if they’d be waterproof to any depth.

I’d also think they’re sealed some other way if Trijicon says they’re GTG to 10-feet.  Certainly no scope turret-making guru.   I also checked another scope with capped turrets & its got gaskets.  

Though adjusting turrets & stuff in a rain storm is a bit  different than submerged it a bucket.  Dunno.
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I agree with this.

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I disagree with this.

I had 2 surefire m600dfs that would flicker when I shoot. So, i decided to test just how bad these miltary duty grade, everyone and their mother swears on their life by them lights, and mortar my rifles with them on and they would flicker and drop down to like 10 lumens. So much for all that military duty grade crap. Meanwhile, my chinesium streamlights just flicker when mortared...
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How dare he vet his kit...

So your take is trust all published specs and not test your gear? GTFO.
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The caps, and the receiving threads have no O-rings on them at all. I'm going to assume because of this the caps are moreso "Water-resistant" than waterproof. Without o-ring seals on them there's no reason to suspect they're integral to the waterproof nature of the optic.

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We don't have the full picture here.  The OP has another thread in the Precision Rifle section where he talks more about his bucket test.  Without seeing what he actually did, I'm going to take his report in this thread with some caution.  I'm not claiming the Trijicon did not fail, but I am noting that we don't fully understand what it was subjected to.  

Being a 1-6x, it would be important to know if the caps were removed underwater to adjust the dials.  I haven't searched out if Trijicon wants those caps to be on to live up to their waterproof claim, but it seems very relevant.  



The caps, and the receiving threads have no O-rings on them at all. I'm going to assume because of this the caps are moreso "Water-resistant" than waterproof. Without o-ring seals on them there's no reason to suspect they're integral to the waterproof nature of the optic.

OP

The problem is your description of events is different in multiple posts on this site and others. This leads people to question the credibility of your posts. I would suggest if you are going to post something as a test or a review you include all the facts in every post.


Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:21:03 AM EST
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The caps, and the receiving threads have no O-rings on them at all. I'm going to assume because of this the caps are moreso "Water-resistant" than waterproof. Without o-ring seals on them there's no reason to suspect they're integral to the waterproof nature of the optic.

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We don't have the full picture here.  The OP has another thread in the Precision Rifle section where he talks more about his bucket test.  Without seeing what he actually did, I'm going to take his report in this thread with some caution.  I'm not claiming the Trijicon did not fail, but I am noting that we don't fully understand what it was subjected to.  

Being a 1-6x, it would be important to know if the caps were removed underwater to adjust the dials.  I haven't searched out if Trijicon wants those caps to be on to live up to their waterproof claim, but it seems very relevant.  



The caps, and the receiving threads have no O-rings on them at all. I'm going to assume because of this the caps are moreso "Water-resistant" than waterproof. Without o-ring seals on them there's no reason to suspect they're integral to the waterproof nature of the optic.

Noted.  With no o-rings or gaskets under the caps, I would understand that the waterproofing does not require the caps to be installed.  

While informal and probably unadvisable, this exercise seems to demonstrate that an optic advertised as able to be submerged to 10 ft is likely closer to "rainproof" or "splashproof".  If you need an optic that can be submerged, look for something with a better rating.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 8:26:14 AM EST
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Most optics have some sort of oring under the turrets to seal them from the outside.
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yeah, which is why im assuming this particular one does not rely on the caps for waterproofing
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 9:41:46 AM EST
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Fine threading can actually remain somewhat water proof.

10 feet is an extremely low rating even for an LPVO, so I’m guessing the caps are the weak point. I’m surprised it’s that’s low really.
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How dare he vet his kit...

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Better question. How often has OP actually shot in the rain? I bet never. Not fucking once. So he isnt really "vetting his gear" now is he? And dunking it in a bucket and then twisting dials, thats still not "vetting his gear" because thats not at all how optics work. No one, NO ONE, is sighting in gear in the fucking rain.

And yes, I do train in the rain. Using gear in the rain is vetting it. Being a fool with a bucket of water and fantasizing of fighting in sharknado? Not so much.


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Better question. How often has OP actually shot in the rain? I bet never. Not fucking once. So he isnt really "vetting his gear" now is he? And dunking it in a bucket and then twisting dials, thats still not "vetting his gear" because thats not at all how optics work. No one, NO ONE, is sighting in gear in the fucking rain.

And yes, I do train in the rain. Using gear in the rain is vetting it. Being a fool with a bucket of water and fantasizing of fighting in sharknado? Not so much.

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I've shot in the rain plenty, but I don't need to prove anything to ya bro.

You can argue that nobody is LIKELY to need to ever sight in their gun during the rain but we don't buy firearms for likely scenarios.. and that's totally fine to have an optic not meant to be adjustable during wet conditions but it better be damn well stated in the documentation of the optic.
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I've shot in the rain plenty, but I don't need to prove anything to ya bro.

You can argue that nobody is LIKELY to need to ever sight in their gun during the rain but we don't buy firearms for likely scenarios.. and that's totally fine to have an optic not meant to be adjustable during wet conditions but it better be damn well stated in the documentation of the optic.
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Do you actually know what "immersion" means? Tell you what....Find any scope manufacturer that states in the documentation the scope can be fully adjustred while completely submerged. I'll wait.

I'll even make it easy on you and skip big words. Heres a great video (PICTURES! YAY!) that shows what "Immersion testing" is. Bonus points..... Its from Trijicon!

Trijicon Optics - Alaska to Africa & Immersion Testing - Science of Brilliant Roadshow at FJ KCK



Heres Zeiss's take on it at about 35 seconds if you have a heart full of hate for Trijicon because you abused their products and now they dont work. Sidenote, if you drive your Ford around all day bouncing off the rev limiter, they will be far less forgiving than Trijicon when you try to warranty claim it.

ZEISS: Confidence in the Toughest Conditions

Link Posted: 8/11/2023 11:56:51 AM EST
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It’s on its way to Trijicon and I sent them an email asking them for clarification on their waterproofing using some of the concerns posted by members in the thread.
Link Posted: 8/27/2023 6:12:50 PM EST
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Update: Trijicon claimed nothing was wrong with the scope. I called immediately to ask what testing they did. They apparently just checked inside the scope for water residue. They did not do any sort of pressure/cold test to check for nitrogen leaks. I asked them to please conduct a test to check for a leak and they said they'd get back to me.

I'm thinking that the scope didn't fail the water bucket test because of water ingress, but rather that the cold temperature of the water was enough to cause condensation inside the scope. My theory is the nitrogen was gone long before I bought it, and that because I've never shot it in cold weather, I'd have never known until it was put in cold water that something was wrong.

This is why when I refrigerated the optic afterwards, it fogged up. There's no nitrogen inside it! I'm disappointed that Trijicon was going to send it back to me without actually conducting a proper set of testing. I'm hoping they're able to find out what's wrong with it.
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I don't remember reading that in your original post...
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I think I may have done that test after posting originally. Either way, after the fog cleared from the scope after being in the water bucket, I took the advice of some PRS guys and put it in a refrigerator for a couple hours and when I took it out it had completely fogged (internally) up just like before.

I can't believe Trijicon didn't bother to test that themselves. They just checked for water present inside the optic.
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Update: Trijicon claimed nothing was wrong with the scope. I called immediately to ask what testing they did. They apparently just checked inside the scope for water residue. They did not do any sort of pressure/cold test to check for nitrogen leaks. I asked them to please conduct a test to check for a leak and they said they'd get back to me.

I'm thinking that the scope didn't fail the water bucket test because of water ingress, but rather that the cold temperature of the water was enough to cause condensation inside the scope. My theory is the nitrogen was gone long before I bought it, and that because I've never shot it in cold weather, I'd have never known until it was put in cold water that something was wrong.

This is why when I refrigerated the optic afterwards, it fogged up. There's no nitrogen inside it! I'm disappointed that Trijicon was going to send it back to me without actually conducting a proper set of testing. I'm hoping they're able to find out what's wrong with it.
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What was the difference between the water temp and air temp?
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 9:30:37 PM EST
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What was the difference between the water temp and air temp?
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Probably not significant. It was water just cold enough you wouldn't want to shower in it.

At the end of the day, this is all just speculation. I have no clue why this failure occurred. I'm hoping Trijicon can let me know if there is in fact a seal that's not properly functioning.

Will update this post as things develop.
Link Posted: 8/31/2023 4:40:57 PM EST
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If I take my credo hx 1-6 sfp .223 reticle equipped rifle from my closet (60 ish degrees) to outside in TX (100 ish degrees) it fogs up so bad I can't even use it. This is an issue weather you have nitrogen or not. The same reason when it is cold as balls outside you leave your rifle outside and don't take it into warmth with you. Rapid extreme temperature shifts will condensate the best of optics. It is science. There is no way around it.
Link Posted: 8/31/2023 7:55:09 PM EST
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If I take my credo hx 1-6 sfp .223 reticle equipped rifle from my closet (60 ish degrees) to outside in TX (100 ish degrees) it fogs up so bad I can't even use it. This is an issue weather you have nitrogen or not. The same reason when it is cold as balls outside you leave your rifle outside and don't take it into warmth with you. Rapid extreme temperature shifts will condensate the best of optics. It is science. There is no way around it.
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That might be normal on the outside but not on the inside of the scope.
Link Posted: 8/31/2023 10:11:37 PM EST
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That might be normal on the outside but not on the inside of the scope.
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This is true. Nitrogen purging removes all oxygen so internal fogging and corrosion aren’t possible. Believe it or not, mildew was actually a significant problem before purging too. If it fogs internally, your optic is defective.
Link Posted: 9/5/2023 7:29:46 AM EST
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This is true. Nitrogen purging removes all oxygen so internal fogging and corrosion aren’t possible. Believe it or not, mildew was actually a significant problem before purging too. If it fogs internally, your optic is defective.
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For those that feel a scope should be expected to leak when the turrets are turned underwater, how does the nitrogen not mingle with atmosphere in normal use? Serious question… I don’t know anything about how scopes are sealed.
Link Posted: 9/5/2023 8:31:57 AM EST
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For those that feel a scope should be expected to leak when the turrets are turned underwater, how does the nitrogen not mingle with atmosphere in normal use? Serious question… I don’t know anything about how scopes are sealed.
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that's what I'm saying, nitrogen gas is significantly smaller molecules than water
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