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Posted: 9/15/2005 1:43:40 PM EDT
For those who use tracers, how do you stagger them in your magazines?

Is there a standard or common - every 3rd round, or 5th, or whatever?

And do they have similar ballistics and range as my standard M855 round?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 2:18:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 2:18:20 PM EDT by Spooge5150]
1 in 5.

No. Longer round. Even though smaller gr. 61 vs 62.


Picture from www.ammo-oracle.com


Link Posted: 9/15/2005 2:30:24 PM EDT
I load 2 rounds, load a tracer, and top off the mag. From everything I've been told staggering tracers won't actually tell you where your shooting due to different ballistics. So I load one towards the end to let me know when I'm about empty. Dangerous when facing SHTF alone if the enemy is smart enough to figure it out, but if you stagger your fire with others it's a non issue.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 2:47:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 2:49:00 PM EDT by redfisher]
Thanks, Spooge

Glad I re-read parts of the AMMO-Oracle - especially on tracers


"They leave deposits of tracer composition in your barrel if over-used."


Looking forward to trying them in the right setting, but will take special care in cleaning my barrel(s) afterward

ETA: good thoughts Dusty_ ----- thanks!

Link Posted: 9/15/2005 3:03:28 PM EDT
I'm not allowed to use tracers anymore
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:11:49 PM EDT
I load full mags of tracers and go from there. Granted i don't shoot them all the time. Just make sure its not too dry out when you use them.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:16:56 PM EDT
I use 3 tracers for the last 3 rounds of my magazine. That's it :)
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 3:08:05 AM EDT
In one of the Army FM's I have in .pdf, it suggests 3 at the top of the mag to help you get on target, then every fourth round, then 4 at the end of the mag to let you know you're empty...
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 7:44:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:01:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Spooge5150:
Redfisher,

www.btammolabs.com/tests/7.htm



Great stuff.

(I picture our "Dr.s Tatjana and Brouhaha" as a real life mad scientists- with guns-)

I have the M196 Tracer rounds made by Talon Mfg. as opposed to the M856, which are listed as "preferred, but it doesn't say why. It probably burns brighter.

I see where the M856 is a considerably longer bullet than the M196 (in fact the M196 looks similar to the M855)

Love the gel tests!

Tks Spooge...........
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:04:49 PM EDT
Redfisher:

You probably already realize this but the M196 was the tracer in use with M193 (you know, for the old school A1s with the 1:12 barrels); that's why it is so much shorter than the M856 (which really needs the A2/3/4's 1:7).
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:40:14 PM EDT
I load 3 tracer rounds in the bottom of my mags ( both 20 and 30 round mags). When I see tracer fire I know my mag is empty and it's time to reload. In a combat situation your stress level goes thru the roof and you may not hear or "feel" your bolt lock back, but you'll see you tracer fire.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:56:19 AM EDT
So will the enemy.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 6:48:45 PM EDT
another good reason to shoot and move.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 9:55:39 AM EDT
I play with tracers during our night shoots at the PD range. Almost everytime I use them I start a fire with them regardless of how dry it is. I always have an extinguisher handy.

I can't load tracers in my duty mags, liability and stuff. Besides, if I hit a propane tank with it it could make someone very cross with me.

Farmers. No sense of humor.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 11:55:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By nationwide:
In one of the Army FM's I have in .pdf, it suggests 3 at the top of the mag to help you get on target, then every fourth round, then 4 at the end of the mag to let you know you're empty...



That ends up being 18 rounds of 855 and 12 tracers per magazine. That seems a bit of overkill on the tracers to me. I assume that is for "area" targets.

Sarge
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