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Posted: 9/10/2005 11:19:57 AM EDT
For those of you in the military, you've probably seen worse. We pulled this out for the SAW gunners when we did some Sim round training this week. One of the more beat up A2s I've seen. These pictures don't do it justice. Basically no finish on any portion of steel, and the upper would move about a centimeter side to side. It also looks like it has a FN barrel on a Colt upper which I thought was interesting, anyone know for sure? I'm not that great with markings.




Anyone have any idea when this lower was made?


This bolt and carrier has zero finish, which is hard to tell from the pics. Probably from improper cleaning.









This also makes me wonder when FN started making M16s for the government, since there were several other old A2s with FN marked lowers.

Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:28:37 AM EDT
i'll trade you strait across for a brand new COLT AR-15. you choose the model.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:30:41 AM EDT
I'll take the lower off your hands.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:33:24 AM EDT
I don't think the Marine Corps would appreciate me giving out recievers.

I would if I could.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:36:59 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:41:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Scooby223:
I don't think the Marine Corps would appreciate me giving out recievers.

I would if I could.



Oh they won't mind as long as you give it to a Marine. Just send the lower to me. I'll take real good care of it...
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:56:21 AM EDT
And we see the effect of the old draw it once a week and cleaning for a half day, even if it hasn't been fired in a long time.

One of two things has happen, it was a depot level rebuild because of the upper and lower difference. Or what I think is more likely, when a group of Marines were sitting cleaning weapons and a upper from one rifle got put on a lower from another. I have signed for several companies' worths of rifles over the years and you never see mixed uppers and lowers.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 12:10:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By chris157c:

Originally Posted By Scooby223:
I don't think the Marine Corps would appreciate me giving out recievers.

I would if I could.



Oh they won't mind as long as you give it to a Marine. Just send the lower to me. I'll take real good care of it...



In that case, I'll take the upper!
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 12:12:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By STLRN:
And we see the effect of the old draw it once a week and cleaning for a half day, even if it hasn't been fired in a long time.

One of two things has happen, it was a depot level rebuild because of the upper and lower difference. Or what I think is more likely, when a group of Marines were sitting cleaning weapons and a upper from one rifle got put on a lower from another. I have signed for several companies' worths of rifles over the years and you never see mixed uppers and lowers.



That's probably true, the bore looked to be in excellent shape.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 12:20:43 PM EDT
Those pics reminds me of my International Harvester M1 Garand which I got from the CMP/ DCM program.

I think that's the way old rifles should look like, that's why I'm trying hard not to refinish my Garand.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 12:23:19 PM EDT
mmmmmmmm, that's purdy
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 12:44:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By hickboy:
mmmmmmmm, that's purdy




+1
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 1:53:23 PM EDT
I personnaly prefer them with "charachter"..
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 2:01:03 PM EDT
Probably to late now, but I would love to see a pic of the entire rifle. Those pics are nice!
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 2:06:11 PM EDT
God, I wish I could shoot enough to make my rig look like that!


(no, it's a bit late for enlisting... )
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 2:06:42 PM EDT
I wonder how well it shoots?

I wouldn't mind testing it out

WIZZO
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 2:35:49 PM EDT
Just fine, I'm sure.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 4:16:38 PM EDT
Great pix!


Thanks for sharing, Scooby
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 6:06:56 PM EDT
SA-WEEEET!

I'd like to take her to the range, take her home for a good cleaning and examine all those markings and numbers very closely. I'll send her back in a few years.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 6:21:31 PM EDT
Nice handguard though.



Link Posted: 9/10/2005 6:22:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2005 6:23:11 PM EDT by Ekie]
Thanks for sharing, those are great pictures.

That rifle is a rebuild. The bolt and barrel are replacments. Also note the rather low serial number, USGI Colt M16A2 start at about 6000000.

Where is the right side view? Is there a Rock Island Armory refurb stamping on the other side of the lower? Curious, don't know if RIA does any rebuilds for the Marines?
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 7:09:00 PM EDT
She looks like she is just about broken in for a Marine's rifle.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 7:14:05 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 7:18:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ekie:
Thanks for sharing, those are great pictures.

That rifle is a rebuild. The bolt and barrel are replacments. Also note the rather low serial number, USGI Colt M16A2 start at about 6000000.

Where is the right side view? Is there a Rock Island Armory refurb stamping on the other side of the lower? Curious, don't know if RIA does any rebuilds for the Marines?



Did you also notice the dimpled front takedown pin?
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 7:59:56 PM EDT



Wow, thats the first time I have seen patina on an AR.

Reminds of me my old ASA lower.






But that happened by accident, not naturally.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 9:13:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Scooby223:
the upper would move about a centimeter side to side.


Link Posted: 9/10/2005 9:16:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 9:22:17 PM EDT
got tons of beauties like that in our armory , 607 is pretty old when i went through boot camp in 98 ipi my rifle was 605xxxx and it was well beat, but anyways we have a bunch of 607's still floating around and the reason most of em look like that is over cleaning with improper cleaning products, simple green, cleaning the extrnal of the barrel with a chamber brush, brake cleaner, simple green, oven cleaner (which will make an m-16 all shinny and bling bling in about 30 mins) i could go on forever, and of course plain ol useage
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 9:24:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By scottryan:

Originally Posted By Ekie:
Thanks for sharing, those are great pictures.

That rifle is a rebuild. The bolt and barrel are replacments. Also note the rather low serial number, USGI Colt M16A2 start at about 6000000.

Where is the right side view? Is there a Rock Island Armory refurb stamping on the other side of the lower? Curious, don't know if RIA does any rebuilds for the Marines?



Did you also notice the dimpled front takedown pin?



Yes I did. First time I saw one of those is when I ordered Colt's part number 62221 from GUN PARTS CORP. about 10 years ago and got one. Just got three or so a few weeks back from another collector, and then started looking a pics, and I can't find a pic of a single rifle with one of those pivot pins.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 9:24:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dace:
tinypic.com/dm9ovr.jpg


Wow, thats the first time I have seen patina on an AR.

Reminds of me my old ASA lower.
209.200.17.142/images/ASA%20after%20CSC.JPG
209.200.17.142/images/ASA%20lower%20after%20CSC%203.JPG
209.200.17.142/images/ASA%20lower%20after%20CSC%204.JPG
209.200.17.142/images/ASA%20lower%20after%20CSC%202.JPG
209.200.17.142/images/beat%20rifle.JPG

But that happened by accident, not naturally.



I remember that, what was it that you dunked that in?
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 9:27:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ekie:

Originally Posted By Dace:
tinypic.com/dm9ovr.jpg


Wow, thats the first time I have seen patina on an AR.

Reminds of me my old ASA lower.
209.200.17.142/images/ASA%20after%20CSC.JPG
209.200.17.142/images/ASA%20lower%20after%20CSC%203.JPG
209.200.17.142/images/ASA%20lower%20after%20CSC%204.JPG
209.200.17.142/images/ASA%20lower%20after%20CSC%202.JPG
209.200.17.142/images/beat%20rifle.JPG

But that happened by accident, not naturally.



I remember that, what was it that you dunked that in?



Castrol Super Clean (CSC)
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 9:28:02 PM EDT
OMG! I think it is time to call Stickman!!
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 9:31:45 PM EDT
I'll take it AS IS!
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 9:34:17 PM EDT
Check out the delta ring..Worn flat
And I totally dig the worn out A2 gripAt least it has a new set of handguards on it.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 9:41:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ekie:

Originally Posted By scottryan:

Originally Posted By Ekie:
Thanks for sharing, those are great pictures.

That rifle is a rebuild. The bolt and barrel are replacments. Also note the rather low serial number, USGI Colt M16A2 start at about 6000000.

Where is the right side view? Is there a Rock Island Armory refurb stamping on the other side of the lower? Curious, don't know if RIA does any rebuilds for the Marines?



Did you also notice the dimpled front takedown pin?



Yes I did. First time I saw one of those is when I ordered Colt's part number 62221 from GUN PARTS CORP. about 10 years ago and got one. Just got three or so a few weeks back from another collector, and then started looking a pics, and I can't find a pic of a single rifle with one of those pivot pins.



Look at these pictures

http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/photosdec04/880m16.html

I would suspect that the dimpled pivot pins and selector were dropped in 1964 so the dimpled pin on this M16A1 in the link is not original.

Link Posted: 9/10/2005 11:34:40 PM EDT
Hell, its in its prime.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 2:44:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:16:57 AM EDT
Nice pictures. Thanks for posting them.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 5:11:00 AM EDT
Not a "depot" rebuild at all.

The barrel was replaced at Ordnance Maintenance Co. over at 2D Maintenance Bn. (Camp Lejeune is where this one is??) the bolt would have been replaced at the unit level along with the front pivot pin. There are "many" of those old dimpled pins out there on the A2s...I even remember getting some of those in when we ordered replacements.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 5:19:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Jeremy2171:
Not a "depot" rebuild at all.

The barrel was replaced at Ordnance Maintenance Co. over at 2D Maintenance Bn. (Camp Lejeune is where this one is??) the bolt would have been replaced at the unit level along with the front pivot pin. There are "many" of those old dimpled pins out there on the A2s...I even remember getting some of those in when we ordered replacements.



Is a barrel swap a 3rd of 4th shop function? I know OMC does 3rd and limited 4th echelon, if the swap was done under its role as a 4th shop, it would considered "depot level." Although normally when the term depot is used most think of Albany and Barstow, it's anytime 4th echelon shop services are performed.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 5:35:50 AM EDT
It's 3rd as some large Bn size units have "limited 3rd" capability and they do their own barrel swaps etc.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 5:39:29 AM EDT
Well all it takes to have "limited 3rd" is "the tools, know how and a CO willing to sign off on the limited 3rd authorization letter." I had to go through that nut role a few months back when I wanted to have a limited 3rd capability.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 12:01:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jeremy2171:
Not a "depot" rebuild at all.

The barrel was replaced at Ordnance Maintenance Co. over at 2D Maintenance Bn. (Camp Lejeune is where this one is??) the bolt would have been replaced at the unit level along with the front pivot pin. There are "many" of those old dimpled pins out there on the A2s...I even remember getting some of those in when we ordered replacements.



Thanks for the info.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 12:02:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By scottryan:

Look at these pictures

http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/photosdec04/880m16.html

I would suspect that the dimpled pivot pins and selector were dropped in 1964 so the dimpled pin on this M16A1 in the link is not original.




Going to start this topic up in a more appropriate forum.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 6:13:31 PM EDT
Hey that's mine...I paid the taxes on it.
Would you please pack it up and send it to me...pretty please.

Cool pics thanks.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:48:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Scooby223:
For those of you in the military, you've probably seen worse. We pulled this out for the SAW gunners when we did some Sim round training this week. One of the more beat up A2s I've seen. These pictures don't do it justice. Basically no finish on any portion of steel, and the upper would move about a centimeter side to side. It also looks like it has a FN barrel on a Colt upper which I thought was interesting, anyone know for sure? I'm not that great with markings.

tinypic.com/dm9n37.jpg

tinypic.com/dm9n5f.jpg
Anyone have any idea when this lower was made?

tinypic.com/dm9nax.jpg
This bolt and carrier has zero finish, which is hard to tell from the pics. Probably from improper cleaning.

tinypic.com/dm9nif.jpg

tinypic.com/dm9nkh.jpg

tinypic.com/dm9ovr.jpg

tinypic.com/dm9oxv.jpg

This also makes me wonder when FN started making M16s for the government, since there were several other old A2s with FN marked lowers.




Now that's the way a gun should look
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 9:09:51 PM EDT
cool, lots of neet info in here too.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 4:24:44 PM EDT
No one can blame a 'break in' period for piss-poor shooting, thats for sure.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 4:34:08 AM EDT
I had one issued (as I'm sure many here did) that looked a bit worse than that -- the upper and lower were about the same color gray as the background of these threads, it rattled like a mofo, and the buttstock was loose.

It shot like a freakin' laser, though, 6 rounds to zero; the mechanical zero was dead nuts on.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 7:06:28 AM EDT
do you have a close-up picture from under the charging handle latch?
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 8:21:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Not_A_Llama:

Originally Posted By Scooby223:
the upper would move about a centimeter side to side.





I think he meant 1mm side to side...I hope...
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