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Posted: 8/27/2005 9:13:05 PM EDT
Is it legal to run an M16 bolt carrier in an AR15?
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:15:17 PM EDT
No
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:16:13 PM EDT
Thats what i was thinking. Thanks.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:18:32 PM EDT
some say yes some say no.

supposedly colt now ships their rifles with auto carriers
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:18:52 PM EDT
I think colt ships all their rifles that way now. So anyone buying any new colt it comes with the auto bolt carrier. I don't think its a problem
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:19:41 PM EDT
I've heard yes and no. I don't see why it would be a problem unless you had an illegal sear and full auto FCG.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:21:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
I've heard yes and no. I don't see why it would be a problem unless you had an illegal sear and full auto FCG.


True, also its not like anyone would really find-out if you did...i just said "no" to be on the safe side.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:21:38 PM EDT
People run fa carriers in there clone H&Ks and Aks why not the AR.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:34:13 PM EDT
If anyone feels uncomfortable with their M16 carrier, email me and I'll trade you my semi carrier for it. I'm only here to help.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:40:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/27/2005 9:41:39 PM EDT by BSheppard]
Yes, legal it is.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:45:12 PM EDT
As I understand the law it is all about the trigger group not the B/C.
The B/C has nothing to do with the trigger.
With the exception that it cocks it back.

The problem lies in the fact if the LEO or ATF dude does not know what is up he could hassle you and cause problems.

Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:46:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ronin69:
Is it legal to run an M16 bolt carrier in an AR15?



Yes it is.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 10:25:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rollyman:
As I understand the law it is all about the trigger group not the B/C.
The B/C has nothing to do with the trigger.
With the exception that it cocks it back.

The problem lies in the fact if the LEO or ATF dude does not know what is up he could hassle you and cause problems.




If the LEO or ATF dude does not know what is up, how is he going to know what kind of bolt carrier you are running?
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 10:26:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/27/2005 10:35:31 PM EDT by _DR]
Oh not this horse shit again.
There have been numerous threads on this, it has been discussed ad nauseum and then discussed again.

YES it is legal in a semi-auto AR15 when there is no FA FCG present. My new LE6920 has an M16 carrier, and so do most of the Colt LE carbines shipping this year. A post came up some time ago that pointed out a case where the BATFE got burned in court because they could not make an AR15 that had an M16 BCG with semi auto FCG fire on full auto, the case was thrown out.

In no way can M16 carrier alone can not make an AR fire full auto any more than an M16 barrel, handguards or buttstock.
Without the auto-sear, and M16 FCG, the FA Bolt Carrier functions just like a semi auto carrier, except it carries a bit more weight, which is a good thing.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 10:30:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/27/2005 10:31:13 PM EDT by CJan_NH]

Originally Posted By MasterC:
No


For the love of Christ-yes it's freaking legal!!

Hopefully this letter will put this issue to rest once and for all. The relevant portion for us starts on page two:





Can we FINALLY agree that an M16 carrier is perfectly legal? Please?
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 10:31:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CJan_NH:

Originally Posted By MasterC:
No


For the love of Christ-yes it's freaking legal!!

Hopefully this letter will put this issue to rest once and for all. The relevant portion for us starts on page two:

home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/6520-ColtM16CarrierLetter-1a.jpg

home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/6521-ColtM16CarrierLetter-2a.jpg

Can we FINALLY agree that an M16 carrier is perfectly legal? Please?



That's the letter I was looking for...
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 10:36:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/27/2005 10:37:13 PM EDT by CJan_NH]
DR, Forest et all. Please feel free to take my links and use them whenever this question comes up. Perhaps if we post them a few thousand times more the word may actually start to get out

http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/6520-ColtM16CarrierLetter-1a.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/6521-ColtM16CarrierLetter-2a.jpg
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 2:41:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 2:50:32 AM EDT by FL-AR15]
So long as installing a M16 bolt carrier does not allow the ar15 to fire more than one round per trigger pull its perfectly legal. There isn't a law that says you can't. However, if a BATF agent wants to get up you a$$ about it, he could since there might be a conspiracy to make a FA. And that is what it all boils down to. But the BATF agent can’t just drag you off to jail without proof or enough evidence to prove a crime was being committed. It’s called false imprisonment. Furthermore, the BATF have more things to worry about than some guy at the range using a M16 bolt carrier.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:15:19 AM EDT
Time to make a sticky with that BATFE letter as the first post.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:27:50 AM EDT
The letter needs to be tacked on a thread titled: "M16 Carriers in Semi Auto - Legal or Not?".
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:43:50 AM EDT
hey all you fuggin' jagoffs with 50 posts- don't respond with definitive YES or NO answers to legal questions regarding FULL AUTO or NFA anymore, it just isn't fair to the guys who don't pretend to know the answer and ask to be sure.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:45:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CJan_NH:

Originally Posted By MasterC:
No


For the love of Christ-yes it's freaking legal!!

Hopefully this letter will put this issue to rest once and for all. The relevant portion for us starts on page two:

home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/6520-ColtM16CarrierLetter-1a.jpg

home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/6521-ColtM16CarrierLetter-2a.jpg

Can we FINALLY agree that an M16 carrier is perfectly legal? Please?



+1


Link Posted: 8/28/2005 10:13:56 AM EDT
Thanks for the info. Hope i didn't start a sh!t storm.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 10:50:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JosephR:
hey all you fuggin' jagoffs with 50 posts- don't respond with definitive YES or NO answers to legal questions regarding FULL AUTO or NFA anymore, it just isn't fair to the guys who don't pretend to know the answer and ask to be sure.



+1000

I was so pissed when I saw that I about punched mt computer screen! If you dont know then keep your pie hole closed.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 12:05:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DevL:

Originally Posted By JosephR:
hey all you fuggin' jagoffs with 50 posts- don't respond with definitive YES or NO answers to legal questions regarding FULL AUTO or NFA anymore, it just isn't fair to the guys who don't pretend to know the answer and ask to be sure.



+1000

I was so pissed when I saw that I about punched mt computer screen! If you dont know then keep your pie hole closed.



Oh Devl, but they DO know, that's the kicker!!!
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 12:14:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DevL:

Originally Posted By JosephR:
hey all you fuggin' jagoffs with 50 posts- don't respond with definitive YES or NO answers to legal questions regarding FULL AUTO or NFA anymore, it just isn't fair to the guys who don't pretend to know the answer and ask to be sure.



+1000

I was so pissed when I saw that I about punched mt computer screen! If you dont know then keep your pie hole closed.



Maybe time for a tranquilizer?
You joined in 2002 and have 6900 posts, that is an average of 6 posts a day, everyday, for the last 3 years. It's possible that at least once you said something you shouldn't have.


Link Posted: 8/28/2005 12:49:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JosephR:
hey all you fuggin' jagoffs with 50 posts- don't respond with definitive YES or NO answers to legal questions regarding FULL AUTO or NFA anymore, it just isn't fair to the guys who don't pretend to know the answer and ask to be sure.



Because post count determines knowledge of the AR platform.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 1:55:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 2:00:07 PM EDT by gmtmaster]

Originally Posted By DevL:

Originally Posted By JosephR:
hey all you fuggin' jagoffs with 50 posts- don't respond with definitive YES or NO answers to legal questions regarding FULL AUTO or NFA anymore, it just isn't fair to the guys who don't pretend to know the answer and ask to be sure.



+1000

I was so pissed when I saw that I about punched mt computer screen! If you dont know then keep your pie hole closed.



+1 Thank you!!!

BTW: Why do you need an FA carrier in a semi gun anyway...Unless you have the need to impress your friends. Which.. by the way.. probably wont have a clue what you are talking about or showing them anyway. If you feel the need to have one.. You might just get labeled a poser and not even know it. There are a few at the range I go to.. The guy with his girlfriend and the tactical thigh holster walking all over the showroom yesterday as a matter of fact.... I dont think he heard me laugh....
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 2:02:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By scrum:
The letter needs to be tacked on a thread titled: "M16 Carriers in Semi Auto - Legal or Not?".



+1

I agree wholeheartedly.... maybe spell it out even, "BATFE states M16 Bolt Carriers legal in ARs"

No Expert
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 2:21:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 3:32:10 PM EDT by _DR]

Originally Posted By gmtmaster:

Originally Posted By DevL:

Originally Posted By JosephR:
hey all you fuggin' jagoffs with 50 posts- don't respond with definitive YES or NO answers to legal questions regarding FULL AUTO or NFA anymore, it just isn't fair to the guys who don't pretend to know the answer and ask to be sure.



+1000

I was so pissed when I saw that I about punched mt computer screen! If you dont know then keep your pie hole closed.



+1 Thank you!!!

BTW: Why do you need an FA carrier in a semi gun anyway...Unless you have the need to impress your friends. Which.. by the way.. probably wont have a clue what you are talking about or showing them anyway. If you feel the need to have one.. You might just get labeled a poser and not even know it. There are a few at the range I go to.. The guy with his girlfriend and the tactical thigh holster walking all over the showroom yesterday as a matter of fact.... I dont think he heard me laugh....



The slightly heavier weight of the M16 carrier has a positive effect on reliability as does the H-buffer.
My range friends are all former Combat Arms and aren't easily impressed unless you have an MLRS system in your back yard. Not looking to impress them with a FA carrier, just looking for any edge I can get. Sorry.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:18:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By walrus:

Originally Posted By JosephR:
hey all you fuggin' jagoffs with 50 posts- don't respond with definitive YES or NO answers to legal questions regarding FULL AUTO or NFA anymore, it just isn't fair to the guys who don't pretend to know the answer and ask to be sure.



Because post count determines knowledge of the AR platform.



I bet you'd feel the opposite way were the post count reversed. Actually, the number doesn't matter. You usually start posting more after you start reading a little more and so on and so on. I've run across the answer severall times after several "arguments" as well.

The guys with the higher post counts IRONICALLY seem to know the REAL answer to the question.

like _DR said, using an M16 carrier does NOT make you a poser. Attending state college for 2 days and bragging about all of the pussy you see does make you a poser, however...
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 8:31:03 AM EDT
I have been told that the M16 carrier goes through a better heat treat then the semi bolt carrier.I just want my rifle to be as strong and solid as i can get it .Thats why i asked.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 10:07:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CJan_NH:
DR, Forest et all. Please feel free to take my links and use them whenever this question comes up. Perhaps if we post them a few thousand times more the word may actually start to get out

http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/6520-ColtM16CarrierLetter-1a.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/6521-ColtM16CarrierLetter-2a.jpg



Thanks Chris! I added a Q&A on this in the Parts FAQ of MD-AR15.com.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 1:58:15 PM EDT
I use M16 carrier for reliabilty and all that but its main purpose is so I can slap my uppers on my friends M16 lowers and wail on em full auto.

And just to correct whoever said I joined in 2003 I joined in the 90's but had to change my screen name. Yes I once said HBARs are more accurate, hollow points are better than FMJ in 5.56, battery powered optics have no place on an AR, etc. Thankfully some people bitch slapped me real quick and got me straight.
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